F18s compatible with Indian naval carrier fleet: Boeing

[TheBlackCoat]

And either them or the carriers have to be modified, because neither fits in the elevators.
They are both too wide.

But there are solutions


The real ‘show stopper’ for the entire MRCBF requirement, however, is the configuration of IAC-1. Unlike Vikramaditya, and like most contemporary carriers, the aircraft lifts on IAC-1 are positioned on the starboard edge of the deck allowing longer aircraft to ‘hang out’ over the water with only their landing gear on the platform. But because the carrier was designed around an air wing of MiG-29Ks and Naval LCAs, the lifts were sized for wingspans no larger than eight metres. 10 x 14 metres, to be precise. While MiG-29Ks and N-LCAs can fit on these lifts with parts of their noses or empennages hanging over the edges, the Super Hornet and Rafale once again cannot.

Both Boeing and Dassault are apparently working on solutions to allow their aircraft to fit the lifts. Sources close to the programme said that Boeing is considering a system that would allow the Super Horner to sit canted on the lift, the tilt of the (folded) wings thereby resulting in a slightly shorter overall span measured parallel to the deck. With its fixed wings, the Rafale cannot offer such a solution, and Dassault is understood to be exploring a detachable wingtip, although this involves greater engineering and certification challenges.

https://www.stratpost.com/failure-to-launch/

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Original plan for IAC-1 is Mix of Mig -29 & Navel Tejas. so no chance for Gripen. Current NTejas is a Prototype/TD it will evolve from that.

An acceptable NLCA is but a twinkle in the left eye of some obscure Indian Engineer.
It won't be flying from IAC-1 for the foreseeable future, so IAC-1 will only have 75%
of its normal fighter strength.

But there are solutions


The real ‘show stopper’ for the entire MRCBF requirement, however, is the configuration of IAC-1. Unlike Vikramaditya, and like most contemporary carriers, the aircraft lifts on IAC-1 are positioned on the starboard edge of the deck allowing longer aircraft to ‘hang out’ over the water with only their landing gear on the platform. But because the carrier was designed around an air wing of MiG-29Ks and Naval LCAs, the lifts were sized for wingspans no larger than eight metres. 10 x 14 metres, to be precise. While MiG-29Ks and N-LCAs can fit on these lifts with parts of their noses or empennages hanging over the edges, the Super Hornet and Rafale once again cannot.

Both Boeing and Dassault are apparently working on solutions to allow their aircraft to fit the lifts. Sources close to the programme said that Boeing is considering a system that would allow the Super Horner to sit canted on the lift, the tilt of the (folded) wings thereby resulting in a slightly shorter overall span measured parallel to the deck. With its fixed wings, the Rafale cannot offer such a solution, and Dassault is understood to be exploring a detachable wingtip, although this involves greater engineering and certification challenges.

https://www.stratpost.com/failure-to-launch/

It is earlier written that IN wants a decent margin, to speed up operations.
Even if it is technically possible, it may still be unattractive.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

F**k the Hornet as there is no way US would agree to ToT and chances of local production are very bleak. India should either stick to Mig-29Ks or go with the Rafale-Ms so that we can produce them locally with significant ToT as there have been reports that IAF is willing to order 36 more Rafales. The procurement of spares, serviceability and maintenance issues would also ease up due to commonality and uniformity among our fleets.

As some people have pointed out that lifts are too narrow for the Rafales, if that's the case than IAC-1 could stick to Mig29s and possibly the N-LCA if that ever sees light and Rafales could be used for IAC-2 & IAC-3

http://www.upi.com/Defense-News/201...ld-FA-18-Super-Hornet-in-India/9701503934216/

Boeing offers to build F/A-18 Super Hornet in India
The proposal for a manufacturing facility in India is part of the nation's planned acquisition of 57 carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft.

By Stephen Carlson | Aug. 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM

An F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighter plane in flight. Boeing has offered to construct a facility in India to construct 57 of the multi-role fighters there to make it easier for the Indian military to obtain parts and services on the aircraft. U.S. Navy photo


Aug. 28 (UPI) -- Boeing has proposed the construction of a manufacturing facility in India for the F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter planes as part of the nation's planned acquisition of 57 carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft.

The Indian Navy currently operates the MiG-29K from the INS Vikramaditya, a modified Russian-built Kiev-class aircraft carrier. India is currently building the domestically designed Vikrant-class carrier with two planned.

The Indian Navy has experienced serious maintenance problems with the MiG-29K due to stress on the airframe during carrier landings, as well as other serviceability issues. Planes often require significant repairs after routine landings, and many of the parts can only be secured from Russia.

The issues have led India to issue a requirement for 57 fighters for future aircraft carriers with several potential models being considered. Boeing's offer of domestic production of parts for the F/A-18 would be an advantage due to the logistical problems with the MiG-29K.

U.S. defense manufacturers having been making significant inroads in the Indian fighter market. Lockheed Martin secured a deal earlier this year to start producing the F-16 Block 70 Fighting Falcon single-engine jet in India, and there are many details still pending.

The F/A-18 Super Hornet is the primary carrier and land-based multi-role fighter of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. It has been widely exported and is expected to serve for decades to come alongside the F-35. The E/A-18G Growler is an electronic warfare jamming and anti-radar variant of the series.

 

[SabzShaheen]

It's most likely that India will purchase more (naval variant) Rafales as the current deal leaves the option for an expansion of the order. As well as this, India went through quite a lengthy process of selecting a new multi-role combat aircraft platform through the MRCA competition in which both the F/A-18 and Rafale were submitted as options and the latter obviously came out on top; however, with Boeing only just recently offering to set up a manufacturing industry, the Indian government may be incentivised to accept such a deal to promote domestic production and export.

 

[Papa Dragon]

http://www.upi.com/Defense-News/201...ld-FA-18-Super-Hornet-in-India/9701503934216/

Boeing offers to build F/A-18 Super Hornet in India
The proposal for a manufacturing facility in India is part of the nation's planned acquisition of 57 carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft.

By Stephen Carlson | Aug. 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM

An F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighter plane in flight. Boeing has offered to construct a facility in India to construct 57 of the multi-role fighters there to make it easier for the Indian military to obtain parts and services on the aircraft. U.S. Navy photo


Aug. 28 (UPI) -- Boeing has proposed the construction of a manufacturing facility in India for the F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter planes as part of the nation's planned acquisition of 57 carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft.

The Indian Navy currently operates the MiG-29K from the INS Vikramaditya, a modified Russian-built Kiev-class aircraft carrier. India is currently building the domestically designed Vikrant-class carrier with two planned.

The Indian Navy has experienced serious maintenance problems with the MiG-29K due to stress on the airframe during carrier landings, as well as other serviceability issues. Planes often require significant repairs after routine landings, and many of the parts can only be secured from Russia.

The issues have led India to issue a requirement for 57 fighters for future aircraft carriers with several potential models being considered. Boeing's offer of domestic production of parts for the F/A-18 would be an advantage due to the logistical problems with the MiG-29K.

U.S. defense manufacturers having been making significant inroads in the Indian fighter market. Lockheed Martin secured a deal earlier this year to start producing the F-16 Block 70 Fighting Falcon single-engine jet in India, and there are many details still pending.

The F/A-18 Super Hornet is the primary carrier and land-based multi-role fighter of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. It has been widely exported and is expected to serve for decades to come alongside the F-35. The E/A-18G Growler is an electronic warfare jamming and anti-radar variant of the series.

Well the article said LM secured a deal to start producing F-16s in India but India never considered procuring the Falcons and there have been reports that US denied ToT and even local production which may be the same with Hornets too.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

Well the article said LM secured a deal to start producing F-16s in India but India never considered procuring the Falcons and there have been reports that US denied ToT and even local production which may be the same with Hornets too.

Local production, of both F-16 and F/A-18, is both possible and probable. I have seen not seen any report alluding to denying of ToT.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Original plan for IAC-1 is Mix of Mig -29 & Navel Tejas. so no chance for Gripen. Current NTejas is a Prototype/TD it will evolve from that.

The thing is N Tejas will never be ready when the current IAC 1 gets operationalised. I am sure IAC 1 will now enter service with 22 of the 45 Migs. When we select the next 57, then all the 45 will be allocated for Vikramaditya. 26 active at anytime. Rest in onshore maintainance or offshore patrols.

 

[Tom M]

boeing ko make in india me dollar dikh rhe hn lol.technology to wo denge nahy.

And without TOT, they won't make it anywhere in India.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Local production, of both F-16 and F/A-18, is both possible and probable. I have seen not seen any report alluding to denying of ToT.

A question was asked to a minister, if the US has approved ToT, and the answer was no.
Some Indian "thinkers" believes this means that ToT has been denied.
When the US clarifies that negotiations have not reached that point,
Indian "thinkers" believe that F-16 has been selected.

F/A-18 is not more probable than Rafale.

Iac-1 going to use Mig-29, NMMRCA for IAC-2 & IAC-3

http://carnegieendowment.org/2017/0...16-for-iaf-and-f-18-for-indian-navy-pub-72706

"Consequently, the IN has prudently chosen to seek a new advanced twin-engine fighter that hopefully will populate the entire combat air wing on the INS Vikrant and possibly the follow- on vessel (IAC-2) as well."

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

here people say tejas if flying. evrything fine. on here they now say we buy f18.

so india will buy

rafale

pakfa

f 16

f 18

gripen

mig 35

what a joke. where is money? no contry can buy so many expencive planes. stop fooling world.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

A question was asked to a minister, if the US has approved ToT, and the answer was no.
Some Indian "thinkers" believes this means that ToT has been denied.
When the US clarifies that negotiations have not reached that point,
Indian "thinkers" believe that F-16 has been selected.

Thanks!. Yes. I read that too.

Not approving yet is not the same as denying. Quantum of ToT would be part of the negotiations which have not started yet. So there is no question of approving or denying yet.

F/A-18 is not more probable than Rafale.

I think F/A-18 is very much probable for the Indian Navy as RAFALE needs to be re-engineered which could be a costly option. For Indian Air force, its going to be competitive as RAFALEs are already being procured.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Local production, of both F-16 and F/A-18, is both possible and probable. I have seen not seen any report alluding to denying of ToT.

Maybe you should have a look at these. Even though there have been reports of that US is not willing to offer ToT and LM denying the same, the outside world is pretty much aware of how things can turn when a country deals with the US. Transferring the production line will negate Trump's election agenda of keeping the jobs in US and even if India places a huge order, it may only be the transfer of basic assembly line with most of the components fabricated in the US and all India would be doing is integrating them. I would always pray for India to go with the Rafales or stick to Mig-29s for now

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-d...-and-f-16-fighter-production-in-india.510261/

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20...F_16_Fighter_Production_in_India#.WaVkKiiGM2w

https://sputniknews.com/military/201605061039181348-india-us-refuses-f16-jets/

here people say tejas if flying. evrything fine. on here they now say we buy f18.

so india will buy

rafale

pakfa

f 16

f 18

gripen

mig 35

what a joke. where is money? no contry can buy so many expencive planes. stop fooling world.

Are you another avatar of @SingaporeGuy or @ashok321 ?

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

Are you another avatar of @SingaporeGuy or @ashok321 ?

i am not ashok i am Dark Lord. i am famose on other defence forum too. you go there ask my name. they will tell you who i am.

 

[Papa Dragon]

i am not ashok i am Dark Lord. i am famose on other defence forum too. you go there ask my name. they will tell you who i am.

STFU you di*khead. What is the name of that other defense forum? Is it named "false flaggers dickhead defense forum"?

 

[Dark Lord Forever]

STFU you di*khead. What is the name of that other defense forum? Is it named "false flaggers dickhead defense forum"?

lol hahaha look at jaheel dirty filty hindoo baniya doing name calling. hahaha

this is not your third rate school. learn respect for experts like me. but i forget you are jaheel filthy dirty smelly baniya hindoo. lol hahaha

how is everyhting in r@pistan? oh i mean india. lol hahahaha