F16 ARE NO GOOD AGAINST THE US AIR FORCE

[Paan Singh]

No this is wrong statement.

Please read post #2

India, US, Iran, ISAF and RAWlibans are war adversary against Pakistan.

Do you think our blk-2 F-16 can hurt any TTP? or defend against Indian incursions? or TTP hideouts inside Afghanistan?

Any how the scope of this thread is beyond US and Pakistan.

rawlibans

 

[BATMAN]

Point is Pakistani F-16 are as ineffective against US war adversaries as they are against US.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Won't that be tragic to use them against someone who gave it to us---in the first place. Secondly---why do we need to use it against them----.

Thirdly---the most important----the Viper is deadly----its poision is second to none---the manufacturer must have created the antedote for it as well beforehand knowing what it could do.

If it has an intelligent system---it can be controlled---.

 

[PakShaheen79]

i think this is prime reason why PAF choose Turkey to upgrade its F-16 fleet of block-15.

 

[Machoman]

I didn't bother watching the clip.

But this is true. Pakistan Air Force's F-16s, even the Block 52s, cannot fight USAF. The best weapon against our F-16s isin't F-22, but USAF F-16, as it will be shown in green or 'friendly' and our pilots cannot lock a missile on it. Be Aim-9 or Aim-120.

As for the USAF, our F-16s would be Red, and shown as 'enemies', hence they can shoot us down from long way.

The US have programmed the F-16s in this way, before delivery, and to get rid of this, we need to spend extra billions to change the computers as the Turkish Air Force did. This isin't economical for Pakistan Air Force to do, especially when the only targets for our F-16s are IAF jets. Not the Sukhois, the JF-17 can shoot them out working out on its low RCS than a Su-30.

In short, the JF-17 and/or J-10B with SD-10 might be able to stand some chances against USAF.

Looking on the timeline and logic, PAF's F-16s are enough today to tackle IAF. So why are we getting those extra 50 thunders in emergency? Did the think tanks figure that out? Anyways Panetta has said it way long back, that Pakistan is going to be the next war-front of NATO. Looking on that, he is soon going toget power, PAF might have rushed for JF-17s. Current prototype is tested on SD-10 and new radar. It got a green signal and now can use the SD-10.

We better test this against IAF too may be they also show green in our F-16. This F-16 is pretty much B.S for us.

 

[regular]

Hi,

Won't that be tragic to use them against someone who gave it to us---in the first place. Secondly---why do we need to use it against them----.

Thirdly---the most important----the Viper is deadly----its poision is second to none---the manufacturer must have created the antedote for it as well beforehand knowing what it could do.

If it has an intelligent system---it can be controlled---.

Yes! Ure assumptions are absolutely right. The must have its antedote to conrol its poison.
We are fools if we underestimate US anyways....

---------- Post added at 09:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 PM ----------

Yes Turkey is our real trustful partner...

 

[Chogy]

Show "Green", show "red"... sounds like a video game.

I recommend people do some serious research on military grade IFF and gain an understanding how it works. It will ease many fears and correct misconceptions.

Aside from IFF/NCTR, there is NO WAY for an aircraft to somehow magically "know" the identity of the targeted ship.

Hint: It is possible to attack a target regardless of the IFF signature. And you can turn your own IFF off if you want to.

 

[regular]

Point is Pakistani F-16 are as ineffective against US war adversaries as they are against US.

Yes they can program their F-16's for ours as foe not friends then we will be foe for them......

 

[Jango]

Show "Green", show "red"... sounds like a video game.

I recommend people do some serious research on military grade IFF and gain an understanding how it works. It will ease many fears and correct misconceptions.

Aside from IFF/NCTR, there is NO WAY for an aircraft to somehow magically "know" the identity of the targeted ship.

Hint: It is possible to attack a target regardless of the IFF signature. And you can turn your own IFF off if you want to.

Another thing I would like to add, IFF does not show the other guy as the enemy, it only confirms that it is not a friendly, but does not positively identify him as the enemy.

Now, if the other guy has not been confirmed as a friendly, it does not mean he is the enemy, it is not a case of one or the other.

The failure to identify a friendly as a friendly can be due to loss of encryption keys, wrong keys, or damage. But it does not mean the other guy is an enemy.

I always had my doubts about this theory that PAF F-16 are useless, the USAF might know these jets inside out, and may know the weaknesses, because they developed the aircraft, but cannot just push a button and ORDER the aircraft to stop flying or anything like that.

 

[regular]

Another thing I would like to add, IFF does not show the other guy as the enemy, it only confirms that it is not a friendly, but does not positively identify him as the enemy.

Now, if the other guy has not been confirmed as a friendly, it does not mean he is the enemy, it is not a case of one or the other.

The failure to identify a friendly as a friendly can be due to loss of encryption keys, wrong keys, or damage. But it does not mean the other guy is an enemy.

I always had my doubts about this theory that PAF F-16 are useless, the USAF might know these jets inside out, and may know the weaknesses, because they developed the aircraft, but cannot just push a button and ORDER the aircraft to stop flying or anything like that.

In war anything unexpected could happen so we sholdn't be so optimistic. especially the USAF we can't take no chances....

 

[Jango]

In war anything unexpected could happen so we sholdn't be so optimistic. especially the USAF we can't take no chances....

But you have to be realistic while thinking of these possibilities, things like this just don't happen my friend.

 

[Chogy]

Another thing I would like to add, IFF does not show the other guy as the enemy, it only confirms that it is not a friendly, but does not positively identify him as the enemy.

Now, if the other guy has not been confirmed as a friendly, it does not mean he is the enemy, it is not a case of one or the other.

Exactly. An IFF return will be one of exactly two outcomes

1) Confirmed friendly
2) Completely UNKNOWN.

Note that nowhere among those choices is ENEMY. With lack of IFF return, the pilot must use other resources to determine the identity of the unknown.

 

[VCheng]

Exactly. An IFF return will be one of exactly two outcomes

1) Confirmed friendly
2) Completely UNKNOWN.

Note that nowhere among those choices is ENEMY. With lack of IFF return, the pilot must use other resources to determine the identity of the unknown.

What about a "false friendly"?

 

[regular]

But you have to be realistic while thinking of these possibilities, things like this just don't happen my friend.

Yes sir! I meant realistically too.Cuz we can underestimate USAF capabilities. We are just new born for them....

 

[SQ8]

What about a "false friendly"?

When you know that anything coming from the west is hostile.. you still fire.. you can do that.
However, the catch is if the enemy is withing your airspace, and you get a false friendly.. you arent sure if that is your guy or the enemy's. For which you use visual identification or in the PAF's case..a secondary system.