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F-60 / J-31 stealth fighter aircraft for Pakistan Air Force?

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it seems that the problem has not reached military organizations of all countries. Recently, news agencies reported that a prototype of the Chinese J-31 fighter, developed by AVIC Shenyang Aircraft Corporation took off successfully. The flight took place on October 31, 2012, lasted for about 10 minutes and ended with a successful landing.

The J-31 (J-21/F-60) is a second Chinese fighter made with the use of stealth technology. It was developed in record time - in only 19 months. In contrast to J-20, the J-31 is smaller and probably cheaper than the J-20. It can become a very popular aircraft in the arms market. Chinese aircraft designers did not hesitate to borrow US design solutions that had been tested on F-22 and F-35 fifth-generation fighters.

Experts note that the wings, nose cone, air intakes and cockpit canopy of the J-31 almost completely reproduce the contours of similar parts of the aforementioned U.S. aircraft. This is probably the result of the work of Chinese intelligence. In particular, there was a scandal in the United States in 2009 connected with the theft of drawings from six American aerospace contractors, including those involved in the development of the F-35 fighter.

For the time being, it just so happens that the Chinese fighter will compete on the international arms market with more simple and cheap modifications of Russia's Su-27 and MiG-29, rather than with the complex and expensive F-35. Currently, the Chinese have quite modern electronic equipment, including phased antenna array radar stations.

The situation with modern jet engines of Chinese development is more complicated, although China has some progress in building its own digital control engines. The J-31 has two of them, and most likely, they are either Russian RD-93 engines, which China bought from Russia, or their Chinese copy WS-13. The J-31 has a wingspan of about 11.5 meters, which means that the plane is smaller than the American F-22.

The "Chinese miracle" may have some commercial success in the arms market, but the real value of such military aircraft today is questionable.
 
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You got to take your hats off to the CHINEASE

They are building SOME AWESOME military hardware

I SUSPECT THAT THE J31 & J20 will enter service in PLAAF before the FGFA enters service WITH INDIA where a 2022 TIMEFRAME is being tentaively discussed in NEW DELHI.

I think both RUSSIAN PAK FA & above J20/J31 will hit their air forces by 2019-2020 ie 3 years earlier...
 
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The only way the PAF ends up with a 5th gen aircraft is if the leadership completely panics and takes out more hopelessly unplayable loans. Loans, whether they are the favorable sort offered China or the rigorously enforced kind by the IMF, amount to the same thing. The Chinese will eventually become fed up with financing Pakistani defense expenditures with no realistic chance of repayment. So I think Pakistan must tread carefully. Endless loans can damage the Sino-Pak relationship. Progressively improving what are soon to be legacy fighters is the only viable way forward for a cash strapped force. In a crude way, we are trying to buy a BMW with the budget of a Carolla. The circumstances are far from ideal, but the current economic state of the nation doesn't allow for any romanticized arms buildup.

Very well said

One should look it's economical conditions 1st then take decisions judicioulsy what is right & what is wrong for it's country

Yes India is going for 5th gen planes but pak airforce should think about ways to counter it by considering it's economical conditions also

rather viable alternatives like upgraded SAMs which can detect VLO platforms & more integreated AWACS support with planes having more advanced MRAAM missiles like chinese or american/ brazillian & south african missiles for their F 16 fighters
 
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PAK should invest in J31 rather than J10s. Keep on developing JF17 which most likely will close the capability cap with J10s with development of future blocks. A medium weight 5th gen stealth fighter should be the long term goal of PAF and also J31 is suppose to use WS13 engine like JF17.
 
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PAK should invest in J31 rather than J10s. Keep on developing JF17 which most likely will close the capability cap with J10s with development of future blocks. A medium weight 5th gen stealth fighter should be the long term goal of PAF and also J31 is suppose to use WS13 engine like JF17.

First of all, the J-31 is gonna is off limits to Pakistan during the development process, but if you mean buy it, why? Pakistan would go bankrupt buying even one squadron of the fighters, It's not economically viable, maybe in 10 years time Pakistan should look at 5th gen fighters, but right now it's not possible. Another thing to note is what benefit will Pakistan get from a 5th gen? 5th gens are made for offensive capabilities, Pakistan's armed forces and air force is meant for defensive purposes, an offensive capability is not needed.
 
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Gentlemen,Gentlemen,Gentlemen........take a breather. PAF is not going 5th gen until another 10 years!

J-10B is dead for PAF, i am sure they wish to stick with JFTs to bridge the gap and procure J-31 or another 5th gen design which is thought to be in works at CAC around 2020-2022.

If you want this bird to scout your skies,vote wisely!

@Munir @Pfpilot @Yzd Khalifa @Luftwaffe
 
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It is always good to meet old friends. Neo is fine. Very busy but fine. ;)

The problem is about superiority is how to scale it. I mean, crushing economy, destroying everything with massive diplomatic and military force is hardly a valuable comparisation between plane x and plane Y. Let us take Israel arab conflict. Pakistani pilots did perform there with lot less. Still Israeli pilots are described as super humans. There plane as super planes. With that budget and even more diplomatic and military support you would not expect them to lose against Lebanon... Even the Merkava did meet its end...

We see budget cuts all over the world. I am looking forward to how it will evolve the airpower

Hi,

It is agreed that pak air force pilots had done great deeds on individual basis----but as a team they are pathetic---a shame for the nation---and traitors of the worst order.

The death of merkava is made a big deal---but the comments of the Hezbollah leader are seldom repeated---. You need to understand it in the concept of full fledged war and not some small skirmishes where the superior force attacks with a lots of restraint.

Pak pilots interfering in arab war is just for show. As I have stated many a times----whatever happened was in surpise contact---the opponent was not prepared for a contact skirmish---. Just like the u s military---its reaction increases exponentially dpending on what kind of enemy it is facing------and who better than pak military to answer that question----.

There were some super studs on this board talking about the manhood of pak military---till the real moment of truth came.

Air shows are just like car shows----it is like a catwalk full of fashion models showing off their wares---.

Bottomline----pak needs to stay away from the 5th gen aircraft and spend a 100 + millions on research of making the PL12 a better missile and pursuing a better quality aesa radar other than ground to air missile systems.

No nation can afford the 5th gen aircraft----they are the slu-ts of the highest order---take your money and leave you hanging in a crunch.
 
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Well, I do not think we can call PAF pathetic or something else negative. You have good and you even have best of the best pilots and engineers there... And I do not talk about national but international. I am one of those lucky idiots that have in touch with more then a few air forces. Trust me. I do not amuse you, I tell you what I know... You know that PAF f16 with Top gun logo on it.. I did sit in it... How many can tell that? ;)
 
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First of all, the J-31 is gonna is off limits to Pakistan during the development process, but if you mean buy it, why? Pakistan would go bankrupt buying even one squadron of the fighters, It's not economically viable, maybe in 10 years time Pakistan should look at 5th gen fighters, but right now it's not possible. Another thing to note is what benefit will Pakistan get from a 5th gen? 5th gens are made for offensive capabilities, Pakistan's armed forces and air force is meant for defensive purposes, an offensive capability is not needed.

J31 is the F35 version of china. Its meant for export and may be to compliment J20 in PLAAF as a lower cost alternative. Interested parties can most likely join in the development stage to get an AC as per their specifications otherwise why would the SAC showcase such a AC for export.
U can say J20 will be off limits but J31 won't. And I was talking about 10 years from now. Beyond 2020 PAF would need a 5gen multirole stealth fighter not for offence but for defence. The cost is naturally always a factor though. :)
 
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J31 is the F35 version of china. Its meant for export and may be to compliment J20 in PLAAF as a lower cost alternative. Interested parties can most likely join in the development stage to get an AC as per their specifications otherwise why would the SAC showcase such a AC for export.
U can say J20 will be off limits but J31 won't. And I was talking about 10 years from now. Beyond 2020 PAF would need a 5gen multirole stealth fighter not for offence but for defence. The cost is naturally always a factor though. :)

I think you need to re-read my comment, I said "off limits to Pakistan DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS", which means that Pakistan can't invest in it, even if it had the cash to, which it clearly doesn't.

I think that Pakistan's economy is gonna see a big revival in the next 5 years if we either get Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan in government, but we won't have the money to spend for another 10 years, simply because we have a huge debt to pay off first.

As for defense, Pakistan doesn't really need a 5th gen, even if the FGFA comes into play. Pakistan just needs enough air-power to make India nervous, no more and no less.
 
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Very well said

One should look it's economical conditions 1st then take decisions judicioulsy what is right & what is wrong for it's country

Yes India is going for 5th gen planes but pak airforce should think about ways to counter it by considering it's economical conditions also

rather viable alternatives like upgraded SAMs which can detect VLO platforms & more integreated AWACS support with planes having more advanced MRAAM missiles like chinese or american/ brazillian & south african missiles for their F 16 fighters
I think J-31 is likely to another JF-17. Because China has more aircrafts to research and development. for example sixth generation (Started early). Pakistan has good facilities and technical staff, Why not co-production and win-win?
 
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I think J-31 is likely to another JF-17. Because China has more aircrafts to research and development. for example sixth generation (Started early). Pakistan has good facilities and technical staff, Why not co-production and win-win?

China isn't there yet. Pakistan isn't either. US can coproduce f35 is because All countries involved can pretty much develop the plane themselves if given the time and funding. Co produce with pak and China make no sense since China has no engine and neither Pakistan, while I'm not sure how much Pakistan has in experience with fighter design, probably not more than China and funding is always a problem as well as do Pakistan even want 5th gen within a decade or two?
 
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