EXPRESS TRIBUNE a.k.a GARBAGE TRIBUNE EXCLUDE ARMY CHIEF COMMENTS ON ISLAM

[Silverblaze]

@smuhs1

Please provide me the following.

1: Audio visual proof of that particular speech by Jinnah.

2: Full text,from a trustworthy source.

Come back and we will discuss.

Even though this has been debated countless times, this issue still stands.

In a country where evidence fudging is a hobby, such demands should be avoided. Lets work with what we have.

What should we assume when the Quaid said, No Theocracy?

Islamic countries have been theocratic. Unfortunately, you cannot separate Islam with theocracy.

Therefore, we assume that the Quaid wanted a secular state that was inspired by Islamic principles. More like some western secular countries inspired by Christianity.

 

[Kompromat]

Even though this has been debated countless times, this issue still stands.

In a country where evidence fudging is a hobby, such demands should be avoided. Lets work with what we have.

What should we assume when the Quaid said, No Theocracy?

Islamic countries have been theocratic. Unfortunately, you cannot separate Islam with theocracy.

Therefore, we assume that the Quaid wanted a secular state that was inspired by Islamic principles. More like some western secular countries inspired by Christianity.

This debate is long and outdated, i will only bring my thoughts if i get what i requested above. I can go and provide dozens of Jinnah's speeches which clearly mention what he wanted. Pakistan's ideology lies in "The reconstruction of religious thought in Islam" by Iqbal,a book which 99.90% Pakistanis haven't even read.However, without what i requested above, no 2nd case on Pakistan's ideology can be made.

 

[Pandora]

@smuhs1

Please provide me the following.

1: Audio visual proof of that particular speech by Jinnah.

2: Full text,from a trustworthy source.

Come back and we will discuss.

You may belong to any religion or caste or creed -- that has nothing to do with the business of the State.


Muhammad Ali Jinnah's first Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan (August 11, 1947)

Mr. Jinnah's address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan

 

[Kompromat]

You may belong to any religion or caste or creed -- that has nothing to do with the business of the State.


Muhammad Ali Jinnah's first Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan (August 11, 1947)

Mr. Jinnah's address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan

And that in your mind amounts to the call for a secular state?. I am sorry but most secularists take this specific speech,out of context.

"No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls, in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan.

You may belong to any religion or caste or creed -- that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle: that we are all citizens, and equal citizens, of one State"

Do care to read the entire,passage and its self explanatory that this particular speech,was about "Religious freedom and inter-ethno religious harmony in the newly formed state." Instead of about secularism.

This speech wasn't recorded and these few words have been mentioned over and over again out of context. I often ask this question to my friends,if Jinnah wanted a secular republic, why couldn't he explicitly mention it?
Secularism will not come to Pakistani state,even if it does,it will fail as has in many other Muslim states. Secularism doesn't guarantee a welfare state,nor a balanced society,its up to the citizens of the nation in question to build it.

Check this.

 

[Silverblaze]

However, without what i requested above, no 2nd case on Pakistan's ideology can be made.

Why?

You want pure Islam and a democratic state?. Islamic countries are mostly theocratic. Malaysia is a rare democratic country with Islam as a state religion and it too has made compromises which many in Pakistan do not want.

When the Quaid made it clear that the state shall have no business in religious matters, he meant it.

 

[Pandora]

And that in your mind amounts to the call for a secular state?. I am sorry but most secularists take this specific speech,out of context.



Do care to read the entire,passage and its self explanatory that this particular speech,was about "Religious freedom and inter-ethno religious harmony in the newly formed state." Instead of about secularism.

This speech wasn't recorded and these few words have been mentioned over and over again out of context. I often ask this question to my friends,if Jinnah wanted a secular republic, why couldn't he explicitly mention it?
Secularism will not come to Pakistani state,even if it does,it will fail as has in many other Muslim states. Secularism doesn't guarantee a welfare state,nor a balanced society,its up to the citizens of the nation in question to build it.

Check this.

I am from no account a secular. IMO influence of religion in state should be limited. I am up for an islamic welfare state but i don't want Religious state like KSA. Malaysia and turkey are the best examples of an islamic welfare states.

 

[Kompromat]

Why?

You want pure Islam and a democratic state?. Islamic countries are mostly theocratic. Malaysia is a rare democratic country with Islam as a state religion and it too has made compromises which many in Pakistan do not want.

When the Quaid made it clear that the state shall have no business in religious matters, he meant it.

I am from no account a secular. IMO influence of religion in state should be limited. I am up for an islamic welfare state but i don't want Religious state like KSA. Malaysia and turkey are the best examples of an islamic welfare states.

Now we are beginning to have a middle ground. Pakistan cannot be a religious theocracy nor a secular republic, we need Islamic democracy and that doesn't mean Saudi or Irani style sharia'ah. @Silverblaze im glad you brought up Malaysia, i must agree on that.

 

[Silverblaze]

Now we are beginning to have a middle ground. Pakistan cannot be a religious theocracy nor a secular republic, we need Islamic democracy and that doesn't mean Saudi or Irani style sharia'ah. @Silverblaze im glad you brought up Malaysia, i must agree on that.

Fair enough. But you might not be allowed to have an Islamic democracy as many muslims do not recognize democracy in Islam at all.

 

[Kompromat]

Fair enough. But you might not be allowed to have an Islamic democracy as many muslims do not recognize democracy in Islam at all.

Thats where we need to do our job and make people read the Reconstruction by Iqbal.

 

[Last Hope]

Dear poster,

There are two key points to be noted over here. First, honestly no one here cares if it was mentioned or not. They wouldn't care more. Second, the Pakistani free media is rubbish. No sane person takes them seriously either. Before being pointed out, let me make my former point clear. This isn't the first time anything was censored. Two things are generally covered up in the free media; COAS comments creating sympathy/morale support and Islam-related comments.

There is nothing we could do about it, we allowed the media this power.

 

[Puchtoon]

Those words came from a wise leader. I agree with idea of Imran Khan to build Social Welfare Islamic state which clearly define the role of Islam is state matters but religion should not be allowed to take over a state Just Like Gulf countries as it will be a disaster.

Constitution is islamic but islam is not taking over ..that's funnyHow many lenghts can one go to justify

 

[Backbencher]

Oh.....where's ISI

 

[Zarvan]

THE ORIGINAL SPEECH WAS AS FOLLOWS WHICH NEWS PAPERS REPORT:


DAWN NEWS:


KAKUL: Without explicitly naming India or any other nation, Army chief Ashfaq Pervez Kayani said Saturday that Pakistan has acted with restraint despite some “very belligerent statements.”

“We have exercised restraint in the face of some very belligerent statements in recent months,” said the top Pakistani general. “Let it suffice to say that Pakistan is fully capable of responding effectively to any threat. Despite our current focus on internal security, we remain fully prepared to defeat an external direct threat.”

The Army chief was addressing the passing-out parade of the 127th PMA Long Course, 46th Integrated Course and 1st Mujahid Course at the Pakistan Military Academy, Kakul, as the chief guest.

“In our short history, we have overcome many a challenges that would have overwhelmed lesser nations,” said Gen Kayani.

“I am sure we can do it again. We are going through difficult times, but so has every other successful nation at some time in their history,” he added.

“The Pakistani Army is fully committed to the cause and as always standing with the nation. I assure you that we will succeed if we remain committed to the basis for creation of Pakistan and remain steadfast as a nation.”

“Let me remind you that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and Islam can never ever be taken out of Pakistan,” he said.

However, General Kayani said Islam should always remain a unifying force. He assured that regardless of odds, Pakistan Army will keep on doing its best towards common dream for a truly Islamic Republic of Pakistan envisioned by the Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal.

Speaking about peace in the region he said: “Pakistan is a peace loving country. Our quest for peace is essentially based on a genuine desire to improve our lot and that of our future generations. Let no one see it as a weakness.

“Let there be no doubt that with a strong Pakistani Army and the nation standing behind it united, no harm can ever come to Pakistan, Inshallah.”

A large number of senior serving and retired armed forces officers, parents of cadets, foreign diplomats and relatives of graduating cadets witnessed the spectacular parade.

He congratulated all the graduating cadets on successful completion of their basic military training, including those from our brotherly Islamic countries of Palestine, Sudan and Turkmenistan.

Pakistan prepared to defeat external threats: Kayani

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...at-external-threats-kayani.html#ixzz2R7vuRwJ7




THE NATION:




Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani says Pakistan is a peace loving country but it should not be considered its weakness.
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Addressing Cadets Passing Out Parade at PMA Kakul on Saturday‚ he said Pakistan is facing internal and external challenges which would be met through unity.
Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said Pakistan is fully capable of responding effectively to any threat. He said that despite the current focus on internal security‚ the armed forces remain fully prepared to defeat an external direct threat.
The COAS said, “We have exercised restraint in the face of some very belligerent statements in recent months. Let it suffice to say that Pakistan is fully capable of responding effectively to any threat. Despite our current focus on internal security, we remain fully prepared to defeat an external direct threat.”
He said let there be no doubt that with a strong Pak Army and the nation standing with it united, no harm can ever come to Pakistan.
Gen. Kayani said that in its short history, the country has overcome many a challenges that would have overwhelmed lesser nations. He expressed the confidence that the nation can do it again. The COAS said, “We are going through difficult times, but so has every other successful nation at some time in their history.”
Pak Army is fully committed to the cause and as always standing with the nation. He assured that the nation will succeed if it remains committed to the basis for creation of Pakistan and remain steadfast as a nation. He reminded that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and Islam can never ever be taken out of Pakistan. However, Islam should always remain a unifying force.
He said that regardless of odds, Pakistan Army will keep on doing its best towards its common dream for a truly Islamic Republic of Pakistan envisioned by the Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal. He said he felt honoured and privileged to review the Passing Out Parade, today.
“This day marks the culmination of your basic military training at an Institution which stands out with distinction amongst the leading military academies of the world.” He felicitated the cadets for becoming part of the great institution that is Pakistan Army.
Gen. Kayani also congratulate the graduating cadets of brotherly Islamic Countries; Palestine, Sudan and Turkmenistan.
The COAS also extend his special commendations to the Champion Company and those who have won awards of excellence. He said that it is their first and foremost responsibility to maintain these standards. “I have full trust that you will never hesitate to always place your Country, Pak Army and your men before your own selves.” He asked the cadets that they have become part of an institution where nothing else but their own merit will be the sole consideration for career progression.
“Be ambitious. There is nothing wrong with it, but the only way to achieve your ambitions is through hard work. There is no shortcut to it. Do have a dream and always aim high.” He urged them to take pride in excellence in whatever they do, as this is the best source of personal satisfaction.
The COAS awarded sword of honour for the overall best cadet of the 127 Long course to Battalion Senior Under Officer Syed Awais Iftikhar, President’s Gold Medal for the overall second best cadet to Battalion Senior Under Officer, Hassan Javed, Chief of Army Staff Overseas Gold Medal for the best Allied Cadet to Allied Under Officer Muhsin Basheer Mohamed Saeed Elzaki, Chief of Army Staff Cane for the best Gentleman Cadet of Integrated Course-46 to Course Under Officer, Muhammad Asad Ali and Commandant’s Cane for the best cadet of Mujahid Course I, Course Under Officer Muhammad Adnan.
Earlier, Major General Sadiq Ali, Commandant Pakistan Military Academy, welcomed the Chief of Army Staff when he arrived in the Parade Ground.
The diplomats, senior military officers, parents and relatives of the passing out cadets witnessed the passing out parade.




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KAKUL:

Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has said that, despite their current focus on internal security, Pakistan’s armed forces are fully prepared to defeat any direct external threat.

“We have exercised restraint in the face of some very belligerent statements in recent months … Our quest for peace is based on a genuine desire to improve our lot and that of our future generations. Let no one see it as a weakness,” he said while addressing the graduating cadets of the 127th PMA Long Course, Integrated Course 46 and Mujahid Course-1 at the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul, Abbottabad, on Saturday.

In its short history, Pakistan has overcome several challenges that would have overwhelmed lesser nations, said Gen Kayani, expressing confidence that the nation could do it again.

“We are going through difficult times, but so has every other successful nation at some time in their history,” he noted, adding that with the nation backing a strong Pakistan Army, no harm could ever come to the country.

Addressing the cadets, the army chief said he felt honoured and privileged to review the passing-out parade. “This day marks the culmination of your basic military training at an institution which stands out with distinction amongst the leading military academies of the world.”

He felicitated cadets for becoming part of Pakistan Army. “I have full trust that you will never hesitate to always place your country, Pakistan Army and your men before your own selves.” Gen Kayani also congratulated the graduating cadets from Palestine, Sudan and Turkmenistan.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 21st, 2013.
SOURCE:

Desiring Peace: Armed forces ready for external threat, says Gen Kayani – The Express Tribune

NO MENTION OF ARMY CHIEF SPEECH ON ISLAM AND ISLAMIC REPUBLIC .

ANSAR ABBSI ACED IT IN HIS COLUMN BELOW:​

Kayani’s timely reminder about Islamic ideology​

ISLAMABAD: At a time when a bunch of frustrated seculars is trying to detach Pakistan from its Islamic ideology, Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has issued a timely warning against any effort to alter the very foundations of this country.

“Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and Islam can never be taken out of Pakistan,” Kayani said, adding that we would succeed only if we remain committed to the basis for creation of Pakistan.



In his address to the future leaders of Pakistan army at Kakul Academy, General Kayani subtly responded to all those who have of lately launched a campaign to create confusion about the very basis for the creation of Pakistan—the Islamic Ideology—by conveying unambiguously and unequivocally that Islam can “never ever” be detached from Pakistan.



General Kayani has also been briefly discussing this vital connection between Islam and Pakistan in his past addresses to troops and officers, his Saturday’s statement is vital as he made a comprehensive statement. Firstly, he reminded everyone of the very basis for the creation of Pakistan; secondly, the COAS made it clear that the Pakistan army is committed to the Islamic foundation of this country even today; and thirdly, he talked of the future by stating that we as a nation would only succeed if we remain committed to the Islamic Ideology of Pakistan.



Not only this, General Kayani also recognized that Islam always remains a unifying force and assured “that regardless of odds, the Pakistan Army will keep on doing its best towards our common dream for a truly Islamic Republic of Pakistan envisioned by the Quaid-i-Azam and Allama Iqbal.



In the post-9/11 scenario, General Kayani’s predecessor and now jailed former dictator General Pervez Musharraf had tried to seriously dent the Islamic-foundation of this country by imposing on this nation his so-called policy of “enlightened moderation” and by pushing the Pakistan Army into US’s so-called war against terror.



Like ordinary Pakistanis, such policies of Musharraf confused the hearts and minds of soldiers for whom “Islam”, “Jehad” and “Shahadat” remain the motivating factors to join the military. Following Musharraf’s departure, the greater challenge for the incumbent army chief was to get the Pak Army out of US’s so-called war on terror and to revert to Pakistan Army original motto of “Emaan, Taqwa, Jehad Fesabeelillah”.



Musharaf’s policies did not get any appreciation from the vast majority of the people of this country, including that army, which instead because of these policies faced innumerable terrorist attacks from its own people. However, his contentious policies had really emboldened a tiny minority of such liberals and seculars, who have always been against the Islamic Ideology of Pakistan but could never get any support to detach Pakistan from Islam and make it a secular state.



During Musharraf’s rule some rambling voices were raised against the Islamic Ideology of Pakistan but of late a concerted effort was made to negate the very basis for the creation of Pakistan despite its complete endorsement by the unanimously adopted Constitution of Pakistan and the judgements of the superior judiciary.



The 2008-2013 Parliament was also unanimous to protect the Objective Resolution—which according to the superior judiciary reflects the ideology of Pakistan—and all other Islamic provisions of the Constitution, but still a select group of liberals and seculars sought change in the very foundation of this country.



While the politicians are now busy with their electioneering for the upcoming May 11 polls and don’t get time to respond to those trying to hit the very foundations of the Pakistan, Army Chief did well to counter the ongoing propaganda campaign against the Islamic Ideology of Pakistan.

SOURCE:
Kayani

Express Tribune is full of traitors of Islam and Pakistan they will sell anything for dollars and for evils

@smuhs1

Please provide me the following.

1: Audio visual proof of that particular speech by Jinnah.

2: Full text,from a trustworthy source.

Come back and we will discuss.

Sir as Muslim what matter is what are the orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and what Sahabas did as a whole and what are their orders for how to run state and what laws to implement and what things to allow and what not so if thoughts of Mr Jinah were according to that we will accept that other wise they don't matter at all

Today Pakistani Nation is observing the 64th death anniversary of Great Quaid Muhammad Ali Jinnah, founder of Pakistan. When I open news websites and read different so-called political leaders views about Quaid and what was the vision of our great Quaid for the Pakistan. So I decided to write something on it.

Quaid was very much worried about the fate of Muslims under the Indian role after British. He was very much confirmed that Muslims and Hindus never live together in future. So he decided to get a separate homeland for Muslims. He has a very clear and concrete vision about Pakistan.

In an interview to American press in July 1942, when asked by a journalist whether the Muslims were a nation or not, Quaid-e-Azam replied, "We are a nation with our own individual culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of values and proportion, legal laws and norms, customs and calendar, history and traditions, aptitudes and ambitions, in short, we have our own unique outlook on life and of life. By all cannons of international law we are a nation".

A conflict has aroused in Pakistan about whether Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be a secular state or an Islamic state. His views as expressed in his policy speech on August 11, 1947 said:

“There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should entirely and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long ago. No power can hold another nation and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State".

While this may seem to be an indication that Jinnah wanted a secular state, he also referred to Islam and Islamic principles in February 1948:

"The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan”.

It has been argued by many people that in this speech Jinnah wanted to point out that Pakistan would be a secular state as mostly people think that an Islamic state is a theocratic state. This perception, however, is wrong and is misinterpreted; the reason is that a true Islamic state is not a theocratic state, as stated by Jinnah in his speech.

On the opening ceremony of the state bank of Pakistan Jinnah pointed out that the financial setup of the state should be based on Islamic economic system.

In 1948 in the opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan he said that we must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind.

It appears that Jinnah felt the state of Pakistan should stand upon Islamic tradition in culture, civilization and national identity rather than on the principles of Islam as a theocratic state.

In 1937, Jinnah further defended his ideology of equality in his speech to the All-India Muslim League in Lucknow where he stated, "Settlement can only be achieved between equals." He also had a negation to Nehru's statement which argued that the only two parties that mattered in India were the British Raj and Indian National Congress (INC). Jinnah stated that the Muslim League was the third and "equal partner" within Indian politics.

Quaid has a very clear idea and vision about the Pakistan and he never want to see Pakistan a secular country. Many people argued that great Quaid was a secular which is not true. Here I would like to quote only one example which is necessary to clear that he wasn’t a secular. He once said that I am working for Muslims because I want that when I meet Allah hereafter death He would say “Well done Mr. Jinnah”.

On August 6, 1939, Quaid said: “I was born Muslim; I am a Muslim and shall die a Muslim.” At another time he said: “I am no Maulana or a Maulvi but I also know a little of my faith.” Muhammad Ali Jinnah was brought up in a Muslim family, adhered to the tenants of Islam, was repeatedly elected to the Indian Council/Legislative Assembly on a seat reserved for a Muslim, succeeded in getting a number of bills concerning the Muslims passed from the Legislative Assembly, advocated Hindu-Muslim unity, always stressed for safeguards for the Muslims including their demand for a federal form of government as envisaged by the Nehru Report. In his negotiations with the government and parlays with the Indian Congress, he always stoutly advocated the Muslim cause.

Quaid-i-Azam’s vision of Pakistan is very clear: he wanted Pakistan to be modern, progressive, dynamic, forward looking and a democratic country with equal rights for all its citizens irrespective of their casts, creed or religion.

In August 1941, Quaid-e-Azam gave an interview to the students of the Osmania University. While giving the answer of "What are the essential features of religion and a religious state?" Quaid said, when I hear the word “religion,” my mind thinks at once, according to the English language and British usage, of private relations between man and God. But I know full well that according to Islam, the word is not restricted to the English connotation. I am neither a Maulwi nor a Mullah, nor do I claim knowledge of theology. But I have studied in my own way the Holy Quran and Islamic tenets. This magnificent book is full of guidance respecting all human life, whether spiritual, or economic, political or social, leaving no aspect untouched”.

Quaid-e-Azam further said while describing the distinctive feature of the Islamic state that “there is a special feature of the Islamic state which must not be overlooked. There, obedience is due to God and God alone, which takes practical shape in the observance of the Quranic principles and commands. In Islam, obedience is due neither to a king, nor to a parliament, nor to any other organization. It is the Quranic provisions which determine the limits of our freedom and restrictions in political and social spheres. In other words, the Isla



mic state is an agency for enforcement of the Quranic principles and injunctions".

There will be no economic exploitation by the capitalists in an Islamic state. In his presidential address delivered to the annual session of the All India Muslim League, in Delhi on April 24, 1943, he said:

“Here I should like to give a warning to the landlords and capitalists who have flourished at our expense by a system which is so vicious, which is so wicked and which makes them so selfish that it is difficult to reason with them. The exploitation of the masses has gone into their blood. They have forgotten the lessons of Islam. Greed and selfishness have made these people subordinate to the interests of others in order to fatten themselves. It is true we are not in power today. You go anywhere to the countryside. I have visited villages. There are millions and millions of our people who hardly get one meal a day. Is this civilization? Is this the aim of Pakistan? Do you visualize that millions have been exploited and cannot get one meal a day? If this is the idea of Pakistan, I would not have it. If they are wise, they will have to adjust themselves to the new modern conditions of life. If they don’t, God help them, we shall not help them.”

In light of the above, we can see that Quaid-e-Azam was neither for Western-style democracy nor for Mulla-style theocracy. He essentially advocated what may be called Islamic social democracy. But tell this to secularists or to Islamists. They would never believe it. No wonder truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[Pandora]

Constitution is islamic but islam is not taking over ..that's funnyHow many lenghts can one go to justify

There is fine line between sanity and insanity. If you are so eager then Bring Sharia Law to india rather than being concerned about our nation. Secondly i stand by my words and dont really care about what an indian thinks about it. Malaysia is the best example for pakistan to follow rather than crappy democratic system of india.

 

[Puchtoon]

There is fine line between sanity and insanity. If you are so eager then Bring Sharia Law to india rather than being concerned about our nation. Secondly i stand by my words and dont really care about what an indian thinks about it. Malaysia is the best example for pakistan to follow rather than crappy democratic system of india.

It's not about india ,sanity/insanity ,good/bad ...... its about the foundation of pakistan and views of the founding father about the law which will be there to govern it .

Although i don't like a theocratic states But i have to agree with radical Islamist's that they are on the right side of notion.

You need sharia bro