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Idiots like u have dreamed that for several thousand years.
As long as Pakistan government helps us hunt down those fxxkers, we could tolerate that so far.
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Good sentiment, but de-nuclearization of Israel is not feasible. Israel is not a normal state, it is more like the 51st state of the US and a NATO land out post in a strategic location of Mid-east.
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Originally, what was your expected date for China to explode into several countries? And to which date have you revised your prediction? Because, we would like to make sure that we set the next big launch of Xiaomi on that very day and thus distract attention.
Even terrorists like shiny gadgets.
I agree. That's only a thought on paper and I think not realistic.
Looking from another perspective, maybe it is the US that keeps Israel in check. Imagine an Israel that knows it is not been favored and protected by the US. Considering how murderous the regime can potentially be, that would be the very ticking bomb that Netenyahu had displayed at UN Summit.
PRC must be needed find an effective way.Because one's it spill out you cant control it.We know how it look likes.And through an effective way we control that.Pakistan now also found out their effective way after a lot of bloodshed.
We cannot control it???
Check the history. We controlled the terrorists and separatists quite effectively. With the loyal muslim factions on our side, we have wiped out those muslim terrorists/separatists before.
In the worst case, we will do it all over again.
Check the history. We controlled the terrorists and separatists quite effectively. With the loyal muslim factions on our side, we have wiped out those muslim terrorists/separatists before.
In the worst case, we will do it all over again.
Well you dont know their resolve.Honestly you dont experienced a bloodshed terrorism.But I agree China can use Iron hand method unlike others.But support to them will always increase including Petrodollars from middle east.You also have border with AfPak area.But terrorists supported by Taliban is always one step ahead.More you oppress them more will spilling out .And sometimes Ironhand method of CCP will again spill out terrorism.
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I think at the moment we are just being patient. Hastiness and action in anger are two dangerous ways.
Public might get sentimental. Statesmen have no right to get under the influence of human emotions.
China did not use iron-hand method yet. And if it wants, it has every right to do so as a sovereign.
Absolutely right bro.Unlike other peoples Muslims always have a brotherhood mentality .They cant tolerate suppression of their fellow muslims even if they know their brother did wrong .
More we tried to oppress them, more the foreign militant organization will take advantage.
You seem to underestimate China's resolve. Iron hand is just the beginning. China will NOT hesitate to do another cleansing against those separatists/terrorists again.
That is why I ask you to check History what has happened in that region. If you knew that, you would have not had that remarks before.
That is why I ask you to check History what has happened in that region. If you knew that, you would have not had that remarks before.
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The idea of Christendom moved Christian hordes into the sacred lands from 10th to 13th centuries. Sadly, the Islamic nations (some of them) still are unable to think in terms of nation states system and get assimilated into the larger crowds. There are other religious groups in similar traits, to be fair, but, because of their sheer number, Islamic lands offer a significant geopolitical power when they think in terms of ummah mentality.
Xinjiang issue seems to be a mixture of the idea of ummah and ethnicism.
Ummah mentality has moved over 30.000 Muslims from all over the world into Syria for a war. I can hardly think of other peoples joining the cause of war in a distant land in such great numbers. That's the sickness in thinking in terms of ummah and khalifa.
Yet, one can hardly deny that individual Muslim states (some of them) have been subject to injustices. But the answer to this is to build stronger nation states rather than relying on help from distant lands on account of religious similarity.
If PRC can solve this issue through your method then it is good.But handling these terrorists is too difficult because they always prefer cowardly act against public.
The difference between China, vs. india or west is that:
In China, over 91% majority are Han Chinese. The ther 9% consists of 55 minorities. muslims is in such a tiny percentage. In addition, among those muslims, there are Han, Hui, uighurs and etc. So uighur muslims is among an even smaller percentage.
List of ethnic groups in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In india, you have 15% muslims.
In west, though smaller percentage, but they have the hypocrisy of being democratic or human rights stuff. In China, we do not give a damn about it if our safety or security get hurt.
Moreover, historically, there are always a lot muslims on government side helping China get rid of those other muslim terrorists/separatists. In addition, China does not give a dame what others say about how she handles her internal matters. China is very resolved and determined to get the thing done.
In China, over 91% majority are Han Chinese. The ther 9% consists of 55 minorities. muslims is in such a tiny percentage. In addition, among those muslims, there are Han, Hui, uighurs and etc. So uighur muslims is among an even smaller percentage.
List of ethnic groups in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In india, you have 15% muslims.
In west, though smaller percentage, but they have the hypocrisy of being democratic or human rights stuff. In China, we do not give a damn about it if our safety or security get hurt.
Moreover, historically, there are always a lot muslims on government side helping China get rid of those other muslim terrorists/separatists. In addition, China does not give a dame what others say about how she handles her internal matters. China is very resolved and determined to get the thing done.
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@TaiShang @ephone
There is a huge difference between Muslim situation in India and China. China has never been ruled by Muslims, whereas South Asia had Muslims as a dominant ruling force from 1200 to 1700. Maratha and Sikhs fought back since then, but they could never take Bengal (then included Indian states of Bihar, Orissa and West Bengal in addition to Bangladesh). From 1700 onward, the British came and took over South Asian regions one by one, starting with Bengal in 1757. So we in Bangladesh landmass (unlike Punjab in Pakistan and most of India, who lost to the Sikhs or Marathas) had a continuous Muslim rule from 1204 to 1757 and then we lost to the British and went under British rule. There were some looters and invaders like Timur Lang who killed a lot of Hindu's back in 14th century. In a way he used Islam to mainly loot and plunder. But the Muslim rulers who stayed here and settled down were mostly tolerant and left the Hindu's alone. Most of them had little interest to convert local people. The conversion happened mostly by Sufi saints, who lived among people as missionary and tried to help people with their daily lives.
The ungrateful Hindutva nationalists today created a make believe story that our "invader" ancestors abused them and converted people by force, while it was the complete opposite, as is recognized by mostly impartial Western historians, who are currently doing research on history of South Asia.
In 1947, because we found out that they are unwilling to share power, there was lack of trust and our leaders decided not to live under a Hindu majority hegemony. That is how there was partition, Pakistan etc.
The other difference between India and China is that India has about 15% or 180 million Muslims, while unofficial figures are higher than 200 million:
'US feels India has 180m Muslims' - The Times of India
Muslim World: Blog on Population of Muslims: India's Muslim population above 200 million or 20 crores!
JUSTICE for 400 Million MUSLIMS in India (400 million is absurd, but the real number is probably around 200 - 220 million, now the Hindutva plan is to declare 30-50 million of them as illegal Bangladeshi and push them out to Bangladesh)
As for the Ummah, this is deeply rooted in Islamic culture, tradition and consciousness, but it is mostly a romantic nostalgia for a perfect past utopia (the 4 Caliphs of Rashdoun):
Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nation states are what we have in 21st century. Most majority Muslim states work with this nation state entity and will not even support any kind of Islamic union or grouping. The only thing we have so far in terms Muslim unity is an association of Muslim majority nations, OIC, which is not very effective and there is little chance of this turning into a major political force:
Organisation of Islamic Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Having said that, Muslims do feel themselves as a people, not as much as the Jewish people, but something much more than Christians for whom it is just a common religion they follow. This has to do with how Islam spread, by traders, Sufi missionaries and soldiers that went to different regions of the world, married into local population and created new Muslim communities. So there is some genetic connection as well, not for the whole Muslim community, but mainly limited for the elite and influential part of any Muslim community. So there is Arab influence in South East Asia and Africa and most other places in Asia have Turkic, Turko-Mongol and Persian influence (including among Muslims in China such as Hui). In every Hui community you will find very old graves of foreign ancestors, this is true for most of Muslim world outside Arabian peninsula.
Most normal Muslims, which would be 99% of the Muslim world realize that a Ummah or Khilafah state is just an impossible utopian dream and not achievable. Only some extremist brainwashed moron Muslims believe in this nonsense. The reason why you have so many foreign fighters in places like Syria is not because of their belief in Ummah, but out of sectarian sympathy for the local oppressed people and because there are people who are financing these efforts.
Bottom line, Muslims of the world, except for the ones in NATO and EU countries (Turkey, Balkans etc.), look towards China as their present or future ally against an abusive West who have plundered and fragmented our lands for centuries. In South Asia, 500 million Muslims look towards China also as a balancing force against a rising Hindutva threat.
Most of the 10 million Uighurs are loyal Chinese citizens. A few hundreds or thousands separatists/terrorists, are insignificant in the bigger scheme of the Muslim world. I believe most 1.6 billion Muslims will be with the Chinese and would like to see these terrorists eliminated, just like we would like to see extremist terrorists eliminated in Pakistan or in any other place as well, regardless of the religion or country of origin of the terrorists.
There is a huge difference between Muslim situation in India and China. China has never been ruled by Muslims, whereas South Asia had Muslims as a dominant ruling force from 1200 to 1700. Maratha and Sikhs fought back since then, but they could never take Bengal (then included Indian states of Bihar, Orissa and West Bengal in addition to Bangladesh). From 1700 onward, the British came and took over South Asian regions one by one, starting with Bengal in 1757. So we in Bangladesh landmass (unlike Punjab in Pakistan and most of India, who lost to the Sikhs or Marathas) had a continuous Muslim rule from 1204 to 1757 and then we lost to the British and went under British rule. There were some looters and invaders like Timur Lang who killed a lot of Hindu's back in 14th century. In a way he used Islam to mainly loot and plunder. But the Muslim rulers who stayed here and settled down were mostly tolerant and left the Hindu's alone. Most of them had little interest to convert local people. The conversion happened mostly by Sufi saints, who lived among people as missionary and tried to help people with their daily lives.
The ungrateful Hindutva nationalists today created a make believe story that our "invader" ancestors abused them and converted people by force, while it was the complete opposite, as is recognized by mostly impartial Western historians, who are currently doing research on history of South Asia.
In 1947, because we found out that they are unwilling to share power, there was lack of trust and our leaders decided not to live under a Hindu majority hegemony. That is how there was partition, Pakistan etc.
The other difference between India and China is that India has about 15% or 180 million Muslims, while unofficial figures are higher than 200 million:
'US feels India has 180m Muslims' - The Times of India
Muslim World: Blog on Population of Muslims: India's Muslim population above 200 million or 20 crores!
JUSTICE for 400 Million MUSLIMS in India (400 million is absurd, but the real number is probably around 200 - 220 million, now the Hindutva plan is to declare 30-50 million of them as illegal Bangladeshi and push them out to Bangladesh)
As for the Ummah, this is deeply rooted in Islamic culture, tradition and consciousness, but it is mostly a romantic nostalgia for a perfect past utopia (the 4 Caliphs of Rashdoun):
Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nation states are what we have in 21st century. Most majority Muslim states work with this nation state entity and will not even support any kind of Islamic union or grouping. The only thing we have so far in terms Muslim unity is an association of Muslim majority nations, OIC, which is not very effective and there is little chance of this turning into a major political force:
Organisation of Islamic Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Having said that, Muslims do feel themselves as a people, not as much as the Jewish people, but something much more than Christians for whom it is just a common religion they follow. This has to do with how Islam spread, by traders, Sufi missionaries and soldiers that went to different regions of the world, married into local population and created new Muslim communities. So there is some genetic connection as well, not for the whole Muslim community, but mainly limited for the elite and influential part of any Muslim community. So there is Arab influence in South East Asia and Africa and most other places in Asia have Turkic, Turko-Mongol and Persian influence (including among Muslims in China such as Hui). In every Hui community you will find very old graves of foreign ancestors, this is true for most of Muslim world outside Arabian peninsula.
Most normal Muslims, which would be 99% of the Muslim world realize that a Ummah or Khilafah state is just an impossible utopian dream and not achievable. Only some extremist brainwashed moron Muslims believe in this nonsense. The reason why you have so many foreign fighters in places like Syria is not because of their belief in Ummah, but out of sectarian sympathy for the local oppressed people and because there are people who are financing these efforts.
Bottom line, Muslims of the world, except for the ones in NATO and EU countries (Turkey, Balkans etc.), look towards China as their present or future ally against an abusive West who have plundered and fragmented our lands for centuries. In South Asia, 500 million Muslims look towards China also as a balancing force against a rising Hindutva threat.
Most of the 10 million Uighurs are loyal Chinese citizens. A few hundreds or thousands separatists/terrorists, are insignificant in the bigger scheme of the Muslim world. I believe most 1.6 billion Muslims will be with the Chinese and would like to see these terrorists eliminated, just like we would like to see extremist terrorists eliminated in Pakistan or in any other place as well, regardless of the religion or country of origin of the terrorists.
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