Explosion occurred near a park in Urumqi

[Brainsucker]

Well, that is a good step.

You know, The most important thing in here are these :

This terrorist will likely will try to demonize your government and gather support. They'll use Islam to gather support from Islamic countries. So it is your duty to cut that support. You have to show to the world, that it is not Islam that you oppose, but this faction who is actually the enemy of Islam.

So rather than oppress them, why not your government let Uighur who support your government to picnic to Mecca and become Hajj? This will show the world that China care to Uighur and their religion and not the enemy of Islam. You are also care to their spiritual need. As long as they are not "wrongfully" learn wrong Islam study that can lead them into Terrorism. Plus, bring tourist to Saudi can also get Saudi's support.

 

[TaiShang]

Well, that is a good step.

You know, The most important thing in here are these :

This terrorist will likely will try to demonize your government and gather support. They'll use Islam to gather support from Islamic countries. So it is your duty to cut that support. You have to show to the world, that it is not Islam that you oppose, but this faction who is actually the enemy of Islam.

So rather than oppress them, why not your government let Uighur who support your government to picnic to Mecca and become Hajj? This will show the world that China care to Uighur and their religion and not the enemy of Islam. You are also care to their spiritual need. As long as they are not "wrongfully" learn wrong Islam study that can lead them into Terrorism. Plus, bring tourist to Saudi can also get Saudi's support.

I personally believe KSA is the head of radicalization with its archaic salafist interpretation of Islam. So, extra pracutions need to be taken so that indoctrination would not spread across social strata. That's a fine line and most governments (which are run by people) are not sure where it stands.

As far as I know, most Muslim dominated countries are subject to the quotas in terms of people they can send to the KSA. I think, China can start a program like allowing more people above certain age (too old to get a suicade bomber) to visit Mecca and come back home happy and ready to die peacefully.

 

[shuntmaster]

But Chinese have experienced in Kunming terrorist attacks. So, do not be judgmental if the state cares about the security of its citizens, including those of Xinjiang because terrorism often kills indiscriminately. It also creates a self-perpetuating violence its own members in the form of in-group revenges and power struggles.



No. I suggest, those who carry out terrorist acts in Xinjiang, as well as in Syria or India, are fanatics who carry an inverted understanding of religion. Religion is a strong motivator here; this cannot be denied. Only a promise of an instant gratification and reward after death will persuade people to blow themselves up with 40 other innocent people.

And yes, following Islamic (or Christian, Jewish) religion text by text "literally" leads to violence since religion, too, needs to keep up with the times.

Those people who cut the throat of Syrian Jafaris in a religious ectacy and a ritual way believe that they are carrying out the word of God. it is sick and inverted, but, they will put out a handful of verses to justify their actions. Those people cannot be reasoned with or rehabilitated. Annihilation of the few zealots will liberate the rest of society and enable them to practice religion as it should be: As a way of personal conduct and morality.



We are talking about two different countries. No two cases would be similar. In Xinjiang, the basis for terrorism is ethno-religious, which is even more violent and hard to pacify. The Chinese government allowed them enough freedoms, but, what they want is to have their own ethnic country and rule under Sharia, that cannot simply happen.

When the terrorist and underground cells are annihilated, rest of the society will be liberated and have greater freedom. No sane 18-year old girl would like to live under Taliban. Xinjiang extremists (such as ETIM) are fighting for such ethno-religio savage land.

So, what you are saying is that the only way to fight terrorism is to commit religious repression on the Muslims?

 

[TaiShang]

So, what you are saying is that the only way to fight terrorism is to commit religious repression on the Muslims?

No. Although my opinion does not represent that of the Chinese government, I would propose to let people, like always the case, live their religious life in any way they want so long as they remain personal and local and not politicized in any way. This includes other religions and ideologies, as well, not just Islam. For China, state sovereignty is sacred and getting in any way under the greater authority (Rome, Mecca etc.) is a breach of the state's sovereign rights. Spiritual connections with sacred places is fine. But, having a foreign figurehead as a representative is not to be tolerated. So, Islam should remain local at the practical level, Chinese and spiritual. Do remember that these policies are not discriminatory (targeting Muslims only). FLG is subject to similar state policies because of their foreign political elements. In Xinjiang, the problem also includes terrorism, which separates it from other politicized religions/teachings. That's why the security apparatus has to get involved.

 

[shuntmaster]

No. Although my opinion does not represent that of the Chinese government, I would propose to let people, like always the case, live their religious life in any way they want so long as they remain personal and local and not politicized in any way. This includes other religions and ideologies, as well, not just Islam. For China, state sovereignty is sacred and getting in any way under the greater authority (Rome, Mecca etc.) is a breach of the state's sovereign rights. Spiritual connections with sacred places is fine. But, having a foreign figurehead as a representative is not to be tolerated. So, Islam should remain local at the practical level, Chinese and spiritual. Do remember that these policies are not discriminatory (targeting Muslims only). FLG is subject to similar state policies because of their foreign political elements. In Xinjiang, the problem also includes terrorism, which separates it from other politicized religions/teachings. That's why the security apparatus has to get involved.

So, why is China putting restrictions on Muslims in observing their religious obligations like fasting during Ramadan, going on pilgrimage to Mecca etc.?

 

[shuntmaster]

Where is the OIC, Ummah and Citadel of Islam which is Pakistan when there is a genocide of Muslim Uighurs going on in Xinjiang??

 

[TaiShang]

So, why is China putting restrictions on Muslims in observing their religious obligations like fasting during Ramadan, going on pilgrimage to Mecca etc.?

That's BS. Most of the reports are originated in anti-China Western and Indian media or the likes such as the Epoch Times.

If one mistakes measures to ensure national security with interfering in religious freedom, one can easily call the US in the same way.

According to stats, in 2010 more than 13.000 pilgrims visited Mecca during Eid-al Adha. Mosques are open (subject to state supervision). It is the same in Turkey:Religious affairs, including mosques are the state's business. You cannot read a sermon in Friday prayer unless it is written and distributed by state-sanctioned imams. Naturally, you will only hear the praise of the state no matter what. Imam's mouth moves with that of the government. During the bloody Syrian wart, I read, the state did many sermons praising bloody terrorists imported in Syria.

In China, there is at least freed choose your own sermon and read it. Of course, it should not be anti state, or incite violence.

According to statistics, there are more mosques/per capita in Xinjiang than many Islamic states.

Not that I endorse over-religization of people. But, those are the facts and terrorism is not the end result of suppression, but a lack thereof.

Where is the OIC, Ummah and Citadel of Islam which is Pakistan when there is a genocide of Muslim Uighurs going on in Xinjiang??

OIC is a terrorist salafist organization headed by a turkish Alawi hater.

There is no such thing as ummah. There are states and nations. Drop down that 12th century backward thinking. When people think of ummah beyond national borders,, the result is 30.000 foreign terrorists fighting in Syria for ummah and girls engaging in jihad sex for ummah.

Pakistan will not interfere in our own affairs. In fact, they already suffer from their own version of Islamic radicalism further aggravated by US drone terrorism.

Xinjiang is China's internal matter. It is your problem and concern only if they get your citizenship. Then we will not concern how many bazaars they blow up in your country.

You like it r not, we are fixing them currently. Those who wish to meet virgins will be given an express ticket. One way.

 

[Nan Yang]

Nope. I don't support anyone killing innocents. However, I don't understand how the innocent people can be protected by restricting religious practices of some people.

And you understand why a person would blow up innocent people including some of his own people (Maybe even an Indian who happen to be there) because he feels his religion is restricted ?

Help me understand your logic ?

Where is the OIC, Ummah and Citadel of Islam which is Pakistan when there is a genocide of Muslim Uighurs going on in Xinjiang??

Genocide ? You have a strange way of thinking. Uighur killing Han are genocide of Uighur ?
Is this how Indians think ?

 

[Nan Yang]

So, why is China putting restrictions on Muslims in observing their religious obligations like fasting during Ramadan, going on pilgrimage to Mecca etc.?

First of all. Do you even know how many mosques there are in Xinjiang. In fact you can pray to Allah anywhere. One of the Malay manager in my company prays in his office. Religion is personal between you and god. A developing country cannot to allow its people too much "visual symbolism" activities that are non-productive. You live in Malaysia. You should be very well aware of all those unproductive time on Fridays and during Ramadan. Same as in Tibet. if every Tibetan becomes a monk, who will feed them ?
Wearing a veil does not make you more religious. Growing a beard does not make you more religious. These are unproductive Religious symbolism. Religion are invented by human. Religion has to change with the times.

 

[Sanchez]

Well, that is a good step.

You know, The most important thing in here are these :

This terrorist will likely will try to demonize your government and gather support. They'll use Islam to gather support from Islamic countries. So it is your duty to cut that support. You have to show to the world, that it is not Islam that you oppose, but this faction who is actually the enemy of Islam.

So rather than oppress them, why not your government let Uighur who support your government to picnic to Mecca and become Hajj? This will show the world that China care to Uighur and their religion and not the enemy of Islam. You are also care to their spiritual need. As long as they are not "wrongfully" learn wrong Islam study that can lead them into Terrorism. Plus, bring tourist to Saudi can also get Saudi's support.

There are hundreds or thousands of Chinese Muslims travelling to Mecca every year, don't you know that? Last year alone more than 12000 Chinese Muslims went there via air organized by Chinese government! People always choose to believe what they imagine Not the facts.

 

[ViXuyen]

China is falling apart, revolution and secession both happening at the same time.

 

[A1Kaid]

Condolences to China and it's people after this terrible incident. Hopefully, those responsible will be severely punished.

 

[ephone]

good joke.

China is falling apart, revolution and secession both happening at the same time.

Very simple. China is a secular country and every religion has its limit. All your gods are secondary below the LAW of China.

So, why is China putting restrictions on Muslims in observing their religious obligations like fasting during Ramadan, going on pilgrimage to Mecca etc.?

 

[kalu_miah]

Where is the OIC, Ummah and Citadel of Islam which is Pakistan when there is a genocide of Muslim Uighurs going on in Xinjiang??

There is no genocide of Muslims in Xinjiang, there is a genocide of innocent Chinese citizen pedestrians and roadside sellers (many of whom are Uighurs) happening by some brainwashed suicide bombers/terrorists separatists, who are hiding behind Islam to try to get sympathy from Muslims.

And Hindu's, the biggest sworn enemy of Muslims, who secretly wish and hope to wipe out all Muslims on earth, are the last person to show their fake sympathy for any kind of Muslims. The only explanation is to instigate hostility and enmity between Muslims and Chinese, nice try though.

Deceptive Indians at their best.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There is no genocide of Muslims in Xinjiang, there is a genocide of innocent Chinese citizen pedestrians and roadside sellers (many of whom are Uighurs) happening by some brainwashed suicide bombers/terrorists separatists, who are hiding behind Islam to try to get sympathy from Muslims.

And Hindu's, the biggest sworn enemy of Muslims, who secretly wish and hope to wipe out all Muslims on earth, are the last person to show their fake sympathy for any kind of Muslims. The only explanation is to instigate hostility and enmity between Muslims and Chinese, nice try though.

Deceptive Indians at their best.

Those Uighur separatists killed Hui Muslims, Kazakh Muslims, even their own people.

I don't think the Muslim World will tolerate this kind of act.