Explaining Low IQ Scores in Africa, South Asia

[RiazHaq]

It has an impact on IQ not the total determination of IQ. A high disease load would have a much bigger impact on a body's access to nutrients than chronic malnutrition. Especially those parasitic and prolonged diseases like malaria.

Yes, that's what the Univ of New Mexico study suggests.

 

[CardSharp]

Yes, that's what the Univ of New Mexico study suggests.

So surely you would agree that high-quality nutrient especially early in life would play a non-trivial role in determining intelligence aptitude.

 

[RiazHaq]

So surely you would agree that high-quality nutrient especially early in life would play a non-trivial role in determining intelligence aptitude.

Your argument makes sense to the extent that formative years of the human child's brain require good nutrition and resistance to disease.

Here's how a recent British report on hunger in India put it:

India is condemning another generation to brain damage, poor education and early death by failing to meet its targets for tackling the malnutrition that affects almost half of its children, a study backed by the British Government concluded yesterday.

The country is an “economic powerhouse but a nutritional weakling”, said the report by the British-based Institute of Development Studies (IDS), which incorporated papers by more than 20 India analysts. It said that despite India’s recent economic boom, at least 46 per cent of children up to the age of 3 still suffer from malnutrition, making the country home to a third of the world’s malnourished children. The UN defines malnutrition as a state in which an individual can no longer maintain natural bodily capacities such as growth, pregnancy, lactation, learning abilities, physical work and resisting and recovering from disease.

In 2001, India committed to the UN Millennium Development Goal of halving its number of hungry by 2015. China has already met its target. India, though, will not meet its goal until 2043, based on its current rate of progress, the IDS report concluded.

“It’s the contrast between India’s fantastic economic growth and its persistent malnutrition which is so shocking,” Lawrence Haddad, director of the IDS, told The Times. He said that an average of 6,000 children died every day in India; 2,000-3,000 of them from malnutrition.

Haq's Musings: Is India a Nutritional Weakling?

 

[CardSharp]

Your argument makes sense to the extent that formative years of the human child's brain require good nutrition and resistance to disease.

Here's how a recent British report on hunger in India put it:

India is condemning another generation to brain damage, poor education and early death by failing to meet its targets for tackling the malnutrition that affects almost half of its children, a study backed by the British Government concluded yesterday.

The country is an “economic powerhouse but a nutritional weakling”, said the report by the British-based Institute of Development Studies (IDS), which incorporated papers by more than 20 India analysts. It said that despite India’s recent economic boom, at least 46 per cent of children up to the age of 3 still suffer from malnutrition, making the country home to a third of the world’s malnourished children. The UN defines malnutrition as a state in which an individual can no longer maintain natural bodily capacities such as growth, pregnancy, lactation, learning abilities, physical work and resisting and recovering from disease.

In 2001, India committed to the UN Millennium Development Goal of halving its number of hungry by 2015. China has already met its target. India, though, will not meet its goal until 2043, based on its current rate of progress, the IDS report concluded.

“It’s the contrast between India’s fantastic economic growth and its persistent malnutrition which is so shocking,” Lawrence Haddad, director of the IDS, told The Times. He said that an average of 6,000 children died every day in India; 2,000-3,000 of them from malnutrition.

Haq's Musings: Is India a Nutritional Weakling?

My glib recommendations for India and Pakistan (and probably all people) to nurture an intelligent populace.

1) Breast feeding until the UN recommended age of 2
2) Meet full caloric needs at an early age.
3) Boost protein content of meals by encouraging cheap wheat and soybean foods
3) Better sewage sys. and sanitary education
4) Birth control education

 

[Chinaownseverything]

Interesting, in case anybody wants to know how the nobel prize committee works

How the nobel prizes are awarded.

As for the assessment process of Nobel Prize, it can be summarized as one simple word: Secret! It is commonly known that the assessment committee consists of 15 people who form the pre-investigation commission. Hundreds of people will be invited each year to submit the name lists of candidates for reference. The committee will survey the materials of these candidates within 8 months to make sure no falsity in them. And the assessment board of each prize will vote for the final winner or winners. The prior mentioned procedures are kept in secret which have been rarely disclosed before.

So basically there are 15 secret judges, and only a select group of 100 people will be able to submit candidates.

With such a system it is no surprise that Korean, Chinese, Indian, Middle eastern and Russia scientists have little to none nobel prizes.

Not because that Jews or western scientists do better research, but because the judges have bias.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Interesting, in case anybody wants to know how the nobel prize committee works

How the nobel prizes are awarded.



So basically there are 15 secret judges, and only a select group of 100 people will be able to submit candidates.

With such a system it is no surprise that Korean, Chinese, Indian, Middle eastern and Russia scientists have little to none nobel prizes.

Not because that Jews or western scientists do better research, but because the judges have bias.

Well lets think about that, how about nameing some of these Korean, Chinese, Indian,, Middle eastern or Russian inventions or discoveries in the last 80 years.

Theres a lot of lists, heres one 20th Century Innovation Timeline

and theres many more, let me know if you find any that were invented by Korean, Chinese, Indian, Middle eastern and Russia scientists, I know out of about million inventions , discoveries in the last 80 years, there has to be some.

How about this list.
Inventions in the Field of Science and Technology
•Automobiles
•Escalator
•Helicopter
•Robot
•Loudspeaker
•Radio Telescope
•Radar
•Jet Engine
•Electron Microscope
•Atomic bomb
•Laser
•Spaceshuttle
•Compact Discs
Inventions in the Field of Medicine
•Polio vaccine
•Antibiotics
•Band-Aid
•Chemotherapy
•Pacemaker
Other Inventions
•Safety Razor
•Vacuum cleaner
•Neon lights
•Corn flakes
•Zipper
•Toaster
•Oven
•Transistor
•Ballpoint

Would you like to point out the ones discovered or invented by Korean, Chinese, Indian, Middle eastern and Russia scientists
Should I keep going or have I made my point, remember we are talking about recent history.

I guess a more interesting topic would be why has Korean, Chinese, Indian, Middle eastern and Russia scientists invented or discovered so little. Have you ever though about the fact in over 50 Islamic country there is not one University that is considered in the top 500 but there are several in Israel alone. Even Gaddafi has turned the corner, he must have had a brain transplant to come around this far.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/gaddafi-calls-arabs-backward-lazy-medieval

 

[chauism]

Well lets think about that, how about nameing some of these Korean, Chinese, Indian,, Middle eastern or Russian inventions or discoveries in the last 80 years.

Theres a lot of lists, heres one 20th Century Innovation Timeline

and theres many more, let me know if you find any that were invented by Korean, Chinese, Indian, Middle eastern and Russia scientists, I know out of about million inventions , discoveries in the last 80 years, there has to be some.

Should it be a surprise that most of the modern innovation after WW II comes from country who is also the richest and most industrialized in the world. Maybe you missed whole idea of Industrial Revolution.

Since you asked for a list, without doing any research, just right out of my head.

Periodic table for elements

Pentium Chip

Maglev wind power generators

Hybrid rice which is very important tool for combating world food crisis.

There are numbers of Russian, Arabian, Chinese and Indian had won Noble prize in the past in science. Saying there is noon is just pure ignorant.

Why don't you look at the history when China and India was the richest nations in the world and look at their contribution to world in Science.

List of Indian inventions and discoveries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Chinese inventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Should it be a surprise that most of the modern innovation after WW II comes from country who is also the richest and most industrialized in the world. Maybe you missed whole idea of Industrial Revolution.

Since you asked for a list, without doing any research, just right out of my head.

Periodic table for elements

Pentium Chip

Maglev wind power generators

Hybrid rice which is very important tool for combating world food crisis.

There are numbers of Russian, Arabian, Chinese and Indian had won Noble prize in the past in science. Saying there is noon is just pure ignorant.

Why don't you look at the history when China and India was the richest nations in the world and look at their contribution to world in Science.

List of Indian inventions and discoveries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Chinese inventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Periodic table for elements was invented in 1869 by a russian, lets stay within the last 80 or 100 years, recent history and point was very few inventions or discoveris have come from China, Russian or the Middle east in the last 80 years, many discoveries were made by the chinese, russians and people from the middle east when they left their own countries and come to the USA and other western countries. Immigrants from other countries are responsible for over a fourth of americans patents. What I am trying to say is that Communist Countries and Middle East Countries when considering the vast number of discoverie and inventions in the last 80 years have contributed very very little. A good example is Russia, if I am not mistaken more Russian won nobel prizes after they left russia then the number of Russians living in Russia.

 

[chauism]

Periodic table for elements was invented in 1869 by a russian, lets stay within the last 80 or 100 years, recent history and point was very few inventions or discoveris have come from China, Russian or the Middle east in the last 80 years, many discoveries were made by the chinese, russians and people from the middle east when they left their own countries and come to the USA and other western countries. Immigrants from other countries are responsible for over a fourth of americans patents. What I am trying to say is that Communist Countries and Middle East Countries when considering the vast number of discoverie and inventions in the last 80 days have contributed very very little.

That has nothing to do with the system, it has to do with countries' industrial capability. USSR and Nazi Germany had contributed many in the field of technology. Both US and USSR had taken the credibilities for the idea that German had innovated after the WW II. You might want to check how many soviet citizens had won Nobel prize.

For USSR, that is just things without looking any other sources. Even though many were military oriented, but USSR's industry was not wired for consumerism.
First man in Space.

Space suit.

Man made satellite.

Space Station

3 headed Dog

Blood Transfusion

HMS

Ground effect vehicle

Gravity assist

Drozd active protection system

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

That has nothing to do with the system, it has to do with countries' industrial capability. USSR and Nazi Germany had contributed many in the field of technology. Both US and USSR had taken the credibilities for the idea that German had innovated after the WW II. You might want to check how many soviet citizens had won Nobel prize.

For USSR, that is just things without looking any other sources. Even though many were military oriented, but USSR's industry was not wired for consumerism.
First man in Space.

Space suit.

Manned made satellite.

Space Station

3 headed Dog

Blood Transfusion

HMS

Ground effect vehicle

Gravity assist

Drozd active protection system

The fact is with Russia being the most productive, very little has been invented or discovered by either communist countries such as the USSR or China or countries in the middle east or India in the last 80 years. Many of the people from those countries made a large number of inventions or discoveries once they left those countries.

You can check this site and see what was discovered and which country they lived in at the time.
Timeline of historic inventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

That has nothing to do with the system, it has to do with countries' industrial capability. USSR and Nazi Germany had contributed many in the field of technology. Both US and USSR had taken the credibilities for the idea that German had innovated after the WW II. You might want to check how many soviet citizens had won Nobel prize.

For USSR, that is just things without looking any other sources. Even though many were military oriented, but USSR's industry was not wired for consumerism.
First man in Space.

Space suit.

Manned made satellite.

Space Station

3 headed Dog

Blood Transfusion

HMS

Ground effect vehicle

Gravity assist

Drozd active protection system

Physics
1958 Pavel Cherenkov, Ilya Frank and Igor Tamm "for the discovery and interpretation of the Cherenkov effect"
1962 Lev Landau "for his theories about condensed matter, particularly about liquid helium (superfluidity)"
1964 Nikolay Basov and Aleksandr Prokhorov "for fundamental work in the area of the quantum electronics, which led to the construction of oscillators and amplifiers on the basis of the maser laser principle"
1978 Pyotr Kapitsa "for his fundamental inventions and discoveries in the Cryophysics"
2001 Zhores Alferov (RU) "for the development of semiconductor heterostructures for high-speed and optoelectronics" (working in the time of the USSR)
2003 Alexei Abrikosov (RU), Vitaly Ginzburg (RU) "for innovative work in the theory about superconductors" (working in the time of the USSR)
[edit] Chemistry
1956 Nikolai Semenov For outstanding work on the mechanism of chemical transformation includes an exhaustive analysis of the application of the chain theory to varied reactions (1934–1954) and, more significantly, to combustion processes. He proposed a theory of degenerate branching, which led to a better understanding of the phenomena associated with the induction periods of oxidation processes.
Out of 800 Noble Prizes soviet citizens earned what 7 nobel prizes for science.

 

[chauism]

The fact is with Russia being the most productive, very little has been invented or discovered by either communist countries such as the USSR or China or countries in the middle east or India in the last 80 years. Many of the people from those countries made a large number of inventions or discoveries once they left those countries.

You can check this site and see what was discovered and which country they lived in at the time.
Timeline of historic inventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then tell me what was Russian's achievement after the breakup of USSR. Funny you brought India in this comparison as India was not a communist country. Invention and innovation has nothing to do with government system but rather the policy toward it and one's industrial and scientific foundation of that country.

Your list exactly prove my point.

 

[below_freezing]

and after all those inventions, none of them except antibiotics and transistor had as much an impact on human life as hybrid rice engineered by Mr. Yuan Longping.

Phillipines and Thailand are also "vibrant, US backed democracies". So is, in fact, Chile. How many inventions do they have?

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

and after all those inventions, none of them except antibiotics and transistor had as much an impact on human life as hybrid rice engineered by Mr. Yuan Longping.

Phillipines and Thailand are also "vibrant, US backed democracies". So is, in fact, Chile. How many inventions do they have?

Lets just take the top 10

So you are saying that
1.The Telephone
2. The Computers
3. Television
4. The Automobile
5. The Cotton Gin - The cotton gin is a machine that separates seeds, hulls and other unwanted materials from cotton after it has been picked.
6. The Camera
7. The Steam Engine
8. The Sewing Machine
9. The Light Bulb
10. Airplane

combined are not as important as hybrid rice.

 

[chauism]

Lets just take the top 10

So you are saying that
1.The Telephone
2. The Computers
3. Television
4. The Automobile
5. The Cotton Gin - The cotton gin is a machine that separates seeds, hulls and other unwanted materials from cotton after it has been picked.
6. The Camera
7. The Steam Engine
8. The Sewing Machine
9. The Light Bulb
10. Airplane

combined are not as important as hybrid rice.

No one is dying in massive numbers because of lacking those above.