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Expert: J-10 more suitable for Argentina

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Mr Xu Yongling is a J-10 test pilot: JF-17 is inferior
J-10 more suitable for Argentina; Low opinion of the JF17
(Source: China Military Online) 2015-02-11

  BEIJING, February 11 (ChinaMil) – The "Chengdu FC-1 is a light fighter developed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co., Ltd specifically for the market in the third world countries. Its advantages include a high performance-price ratio, with a unit price of only more than 30 million U.S. dollars," said Xu Yongling, China’s meritorious test pilot of J-10 and air force theory expert.

  However, Xu Yongling also pointed out that the Chengdu FC-1 originated from J-7 after all, it is not a fourth-generation warplane in a strict sense, thus with relatively low operational effectiveness.


  Britain now deploys six "Typhoon" fighters in the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands, while four "Typhoon" fighters four or five years ago. Once the situation becomes tense, or simply if Argentina upgrades its air force equipment, the Britain may keep sending its "Typhoon" fighters or even E-3 early warning airplanes along the route of "mainland Britain-Gibraltar-Ascension Island- Malvinas (Falkland) Island" at any time.

  "14 FC-1 fighters seem to have quantitative superiority over six Typhoon fighters, but the Britain can absolutely deploy one or two squadrons of Typhoon fighters and early warning airplanes in the Malvinas (Falkland) Island." In the eyes of Xu Yongling, the introduction of FC-1 actually doesn’t substantially help improve the situation in the Malvinas (Falkland) Island since there is no quantitative superiority and the single-aircraft combat capability is obviously inferior. "Even if less money is spent compared to that for J-10, it is a waste," said Xu.

  Only J-10B can contend against "Typhoon"

  If Argentina possesses the new-type J-10B which is also a fourth-and-a-half-generation fighter and equipped with the phased-array radar, it is completely capable of fighting the "Typhoon" fighter because the latter is using the traditional pulsed Doppler radar.

  With the advanced navigation-power equipment that reaches the level for fifth-generation warplanes, the J-10B can also carry the China-made air-to-air missiles that reach the world's top level -- including the active radar guided medium-range missile PL-12 and infrared imaging guided fighting missile PL-10 which are no way inferior to the America-made medium-range missile AIM-120 and "Sidewinder" fighting missile.

  If the J-10 is deployed in the Malvinas (Falkland) Island direction, its limited combat radius is worrying, because after all the Malvinas (Falkland) Island is 500 kilometers away from the mainland of Argentina. But the J-10B has the flight-refuel function, and this is not a big problem if the refueling aircraft is also introduced.

  "Facing the Britain, a traditional powerful nation, as well as the surrounding countries such as Chile and Brazil which have introduced fourth-generation warplanes, Argentina would feel ashamed for the old stuffs it is using," Xu Yongling said that the F-16 fighters Chile bought from America were delivered in 2008. At present, Chile has 46 F-16 fighters, one Israeli "Vulture" early warning airplane, and three KC-135 refueling aircraft. Brazil signed the agreement with Sweden last year to buy 108 "Gripen" fighters, and the first batch of 28 such fighters will be delivered in 2019.

  In such grim strategic environment, Argentina has to choose the equipment of the same level -- the new model of J-10, in order to have the freedom of choice and leeway. Once the production lines for fighters and ammunition are introduced, Argentina will be able to produce advanced fighters endlessly, making the cost of delivering combat forces from the mainland of Britain too high to bear, no matter the land-based aviation forces or aircraft carrier taskforce.

  South America is an ideal entry point for China's export of warplanes

  Arms sale is a sensitive field. Every country would be very careful when it begins to buy weapons from other countries. But once this gate is opened, the arms sale relations will be highly stable and last for long.

  Xu Yongling gave an example. India began to buy weapons from the Soviet Union from the 1960s, and now adapts itself quite well to and trusts the Russian equipment. Though the French "Dassault Rafale" warplanes won the bid for Indian air force's latest big order for 126 fighters, no progress has been made so far. Now the deal would quite probably fail because the French want to raise the price. It is no easy even for America, let alone France, to sell weapons to India.”

  "The China-made operational aircraft did not sell well in the past, because on the one hand some countries concerned hobbled us, and on the other hand, the China-made aircraft did have defects. But China's aviation industry today is not what it used to be." Xu Yongling believed that China must take solid steps to find an entry point in the international market for the advanced fighters that it produces, and such entry point may just lie in such South American countries as Venezuela and Argentina.
please dont change thread title and see if its a repost before starting a thread
 
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Lead line of the thread is misleading. If you ask a pilot currently flying J-10, naturally he will say that Jf-17 is not as good. No one ever claimed JF-17 is a match for ‘Typhoon’ or J-10/ J -20 class of fighters.

Currently A-4’s and Mirage 111’s & V’s including the Israeli upgrade of Mirage V, form the back bone of ‘Fuerza Aerea Argentina’ or FAA. It is not the question of whethter JF-17 is as good as super cruise capable aircrafts; main point should be how much superior is JF-17 to the aircrafts that it would replace?
JF-17 would be an ideal replacement for the current Argentinian fleet including their Etendards, but to match and fight the Typhoon, they obviously need to look at J-10 and beyond.
 
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JF-17 would be an ideal replacement for the current Argentinian fleet including their Etendards, but to match and fight the Typhoon, they obviously need to look at J-10 and beyond.

I hope Argentina buys a few dozen of either.
a rain of Tomhawks will destroy their bases if socialist Argentina ever decides to try to take the Falklands again
 
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Some Pakistan members here have no idea, they think china is so stingy that would grab business from closest ally for a few billion dollar, sigh!!!!!! what we want from Argentina is not money, but influence.

people have their opinion and its due to angle of view, as their angle changes they may see a brighter picture of the scenario and may comes to know what is true. So just a few billion $ deal can never tarnish the image of our all weather friends and as most people in Pakistan understand it. :pakistan::china:
 
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If the Argentines were to get a jet like J-10B then the UK would have to substantially up it's forces stationed in the Falklands.
 
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I hope Argentina buys a few dozen of either.
a rain of Tomhawks will destroy their bases if socialist Argentina ever decides to try to take the Falklands again

Nothing stays the same only change persist still it may not help in advancing towards Falklands but to the least it may help to keep the status quo. An what its more needed to be mentioned here is the AR Air Force and economy is actually in a bad shape which has been denied even by Israel and cant get their hands to JAS like their neighbours so least they could do with their trembling economy is to keep the status quo in least cost applied so JFT is the best replacement for their current fleet of A4, F1, Kfir and others with a single type with more capability. So IMHO if they buy a few lets say 18 then they may go for more and may switch their entire fleet to the type and in future when their economy improves they may be able to purchase J-10B and other systems from China.
 
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I hope Argentina buys a few dozen of either.
a rain of Tomhawks will destroy their bases if socialist Argentina ever decides to try to take the Falklands again

Who knows what's their policy, the superpowers have the means to destroy others multiple times with their missile arsenal, yet they still go on equipping their air forces with combat aircraft, besides Argentina would be more concerned about replacing it's ageing aircraft than to go to war.
 
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Nothing stays the same only change persist still it may not help in advancing towards Falklands but to the least it may help to keep the status quo. An what its more needed to be mentioned here is the AR Air Force and economy is actually in a bad shape which has been denied even by Israel and cant get their hands to JAS like their neighbours so least they could do with their trembling economy is to keep the status quo in least cost applied so JFT is the best replacement for their current fleet of A4, F1, Kfir and others with a single type with more capability.


the status quo has always been the Falklands are British.
nothing will change that.
Argentina is better off dealing with real problems instead of always coming back the Las Malvinas question to draw attention from the economy and Argentina government.
 
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You do realize that even if Argentina buys JF17 it will be from CHina and they will still make a profit?

JF-17 can not be exported without involving Pakistan. Greater share of profits will also go to Pakistan. That's the deal. Pakistan paid for the development cost of JF-17 as Chinese were not developing it for themselves. If Argentina goes for local manufacturing then production line has to be bought from China. This is where they will make money.

I don't think Chinese are interested in co-production of J-10B. They will not be happy with local manufacturing either. Which means losing business for spares as they will be manufacturing it locally. Well most of it. In any case, Pakistan will always picture in if it is about JF-17.
 
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the status quo has always been the Falklands are British.
nothing will change that.
Argentina is better off dealing with real problems instead of always coming back the Las Malvinas question to draw attention from the economy and Argentina government.


Yep,even the 1980's junta started the war to draw attention away from the economic disaster Argentina was in.
 
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the status quo has always been the Falklands are British.
nothing will change that.
Argentina is better off dealing with real problems instead of always coming back the Las Malvinas question to draw attention from the economy and Argentina government.

Now I disagree with the part nothing will change that as you are saying it because of the winds are on your side so we will see it in the future and time will show I cant make any comment on that.

About what you are pumped up with is actually just a political show which is to motivate people and all of these procurements never going to bring Argentina in a shape to fight a war with Britain over Falklands but it can help them to improve their defence from where they are actually standing and provide them a chance to make defence procurements and on the other side to restore their national pride and motivate their nation to work together to take out their country from an economic turmoil.
 
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Now I disagree with the part nothing will change that as you are saying it because of the winds are on your side so we will see it in the future and time will show I cant make any comment on that.

About what you are pumped up with is actually just a political show which is to motivate people and all of these procurements never going to bring Argentina in a shape to fight a war with Britain over Falklands but it can help them to improve their defence from where they are actually standing and provide them a chance to make defence procurements and on the other side to restore their national pride and motivate their nation to work together to take out their country from a economic turmoil.

the Falklands aren't holding the Argentinas back from greatness and prosperity
it's this

cristina_fernandez.jpg



national pride has nothing to do with it. it's common sense and Argentina,Venezuela, and Brazil have been lacking that.
 
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