Expanding Pakistan Armed Forces Using Conscription

[The SC]

Usrael conscription is not comparable here.. they use their regular army and conscripts for defense mainly...until the US comes in with all its might!

 

[masterchief_mirza]

hi,

You kids are so naive & so innocent---.

When we have enough volunteers available then why do we need a conscription---.

Right now we have a choice to pick from the litter---which means that our basic tier soldier is of a higher caliber than the opponents---.

Why did we need to spend our money to train soldiers when other nations were willing to pay for it---like the GCC---.

Why do we need to solve our concerns with convoluted issues when we have simpler solutions---?

Conscription is for nations who cannot get soldiers to volunteer---for so many reasons---. We do not have any issues with recruitment so why would we need to spend extra money to train soldiers---.

What I would really like would be a two years labor after high school for boys to work on govt projects and be paid in food shelter and medical---.

1. If you are referring to irregular volunteer forces ("jihadists"), they are impossible to control and cause all sorts of problems in peacetime. Moreover, they have a negative press in the prevailing western narratives. Whereas objectively, they could easily be compared to the French resistance as long as they stick to military targets, as soon as they shout "Allahuakbar", the Indians and west will easily paint them as terrorists killing innocent Indian soldiers who are just doing their jobs.

 

[MastanKhan]

1. If you are referring to irregular volunteer forces ("jihadists"), they are impossible to control and cause all sorts of problems in peacetime. Moreover, they have a negative press in the prevailing western narratives. Whereas objectively, they could easily be compared to the French resistance as long as they stick to military targets, as soon as they shout "Allahuakbar", the Indians and west will easily paint them as terrorists killing innocent Indian soldiers who are just doing their jobs.

Hi,

I am talking about regular volunteers looking to sign up for the military---.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

2. I think you are referring not to jihadist though and mean volunteers for a professional army, in which case, we still should have conscription because the main problem we are constantly reminded of is our inability to face the Indians numerically. Conscription would boost our numbers and level the playing field. In any case, we need our citizens to be trained and fit and ready to defend our cities in case of total war, Which is plausible. We need 5 and 10 yr plans. Now.

Advanced weapons and leadership roles should be taken up by more of the professionals. Conscripts could share some of those roles but also provide the boost to frontline manpower needed to stare the enemy eyeball to eyeball.

 

[Arsalan 345]

I completely agree with this idea.we can go to war voluntarily but they should give us training.make it mandatory.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Usrael conscription is not comparable here.. they use their regular army and conscripts for defense mainly...until the US comes in with all its might!

Israel can hit anyone it likes because of its air force. It doesn't really wait for US to physically help it - it is reliant on them for tech though.

The point is: Pakistan should actually be ready for these Indian psychos potentially trying to take AK by force. It is not beyond the realms of possibility, and we should be ready for and confident to fight a defensive war at the very least, instead of constantly being sold this defeatist mindset: we are outnumbered, we are less equipped, we can at best hope for mutually assured destruction etc etc. We should immediately do something to redress these imbalances...imbalances that are partly real but also partly drilled into us. Israel always believes it can take anyone on. I can honestly say if Israel was in our position, they would find a way. Time or perceived weakness would not stop them.

First, shore up the defences of Pakistan while engaging the Indians in other ways. Then when we can protect ourselves confidently against: missile attacks, air strikes, naval strikes (we are most vulnerable here) and overwhelming land invasion, then we can find a way to get Kashmir back.

 

[Armchair]

A conscript does not cost a salary to run a home, a retirement pension, all kinds of benefits. He can play a role as a foot soldier easily, and that of a Sargent or even a Lieutenant with time. The professionals can then focus on specialist roles, middle and top management, and in solidifying the conscript forces.

Conscript heavy forces can act as the reserve brigade that PA can bank on when its better units are depleted. They can double the size of the army at a fraction of the cost. If we double our size, we are then level with the Indian army. A two pronged attack from China and Pak at that point would be impossible for India to handle.

With the right strategy in place, we can easily move into Indian Punjab, Harayana, Rajestan and Modi's abode. With majority of Indian forces stuck in Kashmir and defending Jammu and New Delhi, we have open access to the other less protected regions.

 

[iby32]

Instead of conscription why not train and equip FC AND RANGERS to standard of regular army. This will cost less time and money. We got force of about 80000-100000 troops in fc easily creat one or two corps

 

[Armchair]

Instead of conscription why not train and equip FC AND RANGERS to standard of regular army. This will cost less time and money. We got force of about 80000-100000 troops in fc easily creat one or two corps

FC and rangers are well trained and are used during wartime. Training them further will not increase our numbers.

 

[iby32]

FC and rangers are well trained and are used during wartime. Training them further will not increase our numbers.

As they are paramilitary not counted in regular or reserve forces.

 

[Armchair]

As they are paramilitary not counted in regular or reserve forces.

They fight in wartime.

 

[iby32]

They fight in wartime.

I know they do. My point is its time of need just merg them into regular units to increase number of regulars not all of them at least 50000 and equip them with tanks IFVs APCs to form a very strong offensive force. Offence is best defence. Hit enemy instead wait and being hit by enemy

 

[Imad.Khan]

Conscription is forced enlistment of civilian population into the armed forces. It is helpful for countries that have a small population base where the volunteer numbers are low. Conscripts are also considered a lower quality force with low motivation & morale (except in the case of Israel).

Conscription will not work for a country like Pakistan with a population reaching military age (approx 4.5 mil) each year which is greater than the total population of some countries.

A better solution would be to select a larger number from the volunteers that apply to join the armed forces every year. Also in times of war a "call to arms" can be sent out which will enlarge the force quickly if/when required. These temp volunteer soldiers can be used to guard the borders on the western front freeing up the Army and FC to be transported to the Eastern battle front.

 

[Armchair]

Conscription is forced enlistment of civilian population into the armed forces. It is helpful for countries that have a small population base where the volunteer numbers are low. Conscripts are also considered a lower quality force with low motivation & morale (except in the case of Israel).

Conscription will not work for a country like Pakistan with a population reaching military age (approx 4.5 mil) each year which is greater than the total population of some countries.

A better solution would be to select a larger number from the volunteers that apply to join the armed forces every year. Also in times of war a "call to arms" can be sent out which will enlarge the force quickly if/when required. These temp volunteer soldiers can be used to guard the borders on the western front freeing up the Army and FC to be transported to the Eastern battle front.

Read what has been written before writing up a reply.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Read what has been written before writing up a reply.

First learn the difference between a reply and a post. I posted my opinion, it wasn't a reply.