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That "exposure to the West" nonsense, I have a "secret" to tell you my friend. GCC is very "Americanized" in the sense that everyone has access to Western gadgets, technology, clothing, fast food chains (unfortunately), movies, games and what not. People are well-versed in politics and follow events in the West. KSA is a much more liberal country and people than you can imagine. One just need to visit the neighborhood or Bahrain. However having your horizon widened and getting exposure to different cultures always helps. I am talking about the youth here which forms 2/3 of the population. So the majority.

Likewise there have lived many Westerners in KSA since a long time ago. Not always visible (compounds often) but nowadays due to a different social climate (much more "free") there is mixing. In any case that was more a them decades back.
Believe or not after 2025 majority of key post will be hold by Saudi kids who are returning . Right now Saudi govt don't want to remove the foreign workers who are working on key post, because that will create a sudden vacuum of experienced people. But eventually, all foreigners will be out of Suadi petro chemical industry. I see hundreds of engineers graduating in 2020-2022.
 
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Believe or not after 2025 majority of key post will be hold by Saudi kids who are returning . Right now Saudi govt don't want to remove the foreign workers who are working on key post, because that will create a sudden vacuum of experienced people. But eventually, all foreigners will be out of Suadi petro chemical industry. I see hundreds of engineers graduating in 2020-2022.

Well, 100.000's of people getting educated in the West (mainly US but not only) and East too (China etc. although much, much fewer for obvious reasons), most of them financed by the state, are obviously going to return back and improve and contribute to their country of birth. Anything else would make no sense and this is done by many countries. However the majority of those in power (youth included) of the future will be local graduates and Saudi Arabian universities are of a high standard. Highest in the Muslim world. Not something I say but something all university rankings say. I can say that safely having studied in the US and Europe and having knowledge about universities in KSA from first hand.

Saudi Arabia will have many knowledge based industries (already the case) but the petrochemical sector is an important sector. Key for now. However it will be one of many.

Highly qualified foreigners (expats) will remain whether Arab or non-Arab and should be naturalized if they wish so and wish to contribute to KSA much like earlier expats (in the past) have been naturalized. KSA is a multiethnic society although those people of originally foreign origins have now adopted Arabic (local) culture. That is why a future Green Card will emerge. What was presented recently was just a test. Testing the waters in other words.

However naturally given that certain sectors (work) are already banned for expats in order to have locals work instead (especially if unemployed despite degrees) is a natural policy as every country should prioritize their own citizens first. However even most of the labor class will be replaced by locals as not every local will be able to or want to have a knowledge based job.
 
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I don't agree with you, there will always be need of potent defense along with Potent economy.

It is the fundament of everything else. If you cannot protect your assets (KSA has enormous assets and many of them) you will perish in this jungle that we call the world where might equals power.

Also Haider mentioned that the West is only busy doing business but last time I checked the West is the main weapons producer in the world and the same West and its people have been killing each other at a greater scale than any other people on the planet (WW1 and WW2 to mention a few examples where 100 million of them perished within the span of 10 years) and to this day there are still wars in Europe (Donbass) despite the awful amount of wars on that continent and conflicts.

Another question why are NATO member states (all European and Western with the exception of Turkey) increasing the percentage of their budget (annual state budget) that they are spending on military expenditures and why is Russia doing the same? Why the arms races between the US and Russia?
 
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It is the fundament of everything else. If you cannot protect your assets (KSA has enormous assets and many of them) you will perish in this jungle that we call the world where might equals power.

Also Haider mentioned that the West is only busy doing business but last time I checked the West is the main weapons producer in the world and the same West and its people have been killing each other at a greater scale than any other people on the planet (WW1 and WW2 to mention a few examples where 100 million of them perished within the span of 10 years) and to this day there are still wars in Europe (Donbass) despite the awful amount of wars on that continent and conflicts.

Another question why are NATO member states (all European and Western with the exception of Turkey) increasing the percentage of their budget (annual state budget) that they are spending on military expenditures and why is Russia doing the same? Why the arms races between the US and Russia?
They use weapon industry as employment tool and earned huge foreign exchange. Weapon as industry is good long term investment.
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Did I not already answer that repeatedly? You can test missiles underground just like you can conduct nuclear tests in underground facilities. Likewise to prevent attention partners whom we are working with on our missile program can conduct every needed test if the need arrises. It is not really complicated at all. As I wrote you are free to believe that nothing has been done for 30 years (lol). All I can say is that I hope that (for your sake in case of a war as unlikely as that is) that your chief strategists and decision makers are not this naive.
I told you several time . you only can test the engine underground the rest must be done in live test . If what you say is truth then ksa is the only country in the world that managed to develope the technology to do missile tests underground .
 
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They use weapon industry as employment tool and earned huge foreign exchange. Weapon as industry is good long term investment.
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The defence(weapon) industry is much more than weapons.. just think R&D and implementation of new technologies.. and it is also a full fledged industry with all the term implies..
 
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They use weapon industry as employment tool and earned huge foreign exchange. Weapon as industry is good long term investment.
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As I wrote in another thread. Not even the greatest arms exporter (the US) is "earning" money on weapons sales. They have a deficit after exporting their weapons given how much it costs to produce and fund the giant military sector. It is the private companies that earn the most money not the state.

Weapons exports for 99.9% of all countries (maybe with the exception of the US and Russia but then again doubtful given the above I wrote) is not about earning money but about developing a sophisticated indigenous military industry that can ensure US and Russian superiority. As I wrote power is might. The stronger your military is the more (in theory) you will have of a say in politics and the better equipped you are at protecting your assets, that of your friends and allies and projecting power and influence.

When the US sells weapons to Europe (all of it), Japan, South Korea, Turkey, GCC etc. it does it mainly to gain geopolitical influence. If say KSA was pro-Russian or pro-Chinese (we work with both but not to that extend and US weaponry is better than anyone else especially the part that they export), the US would have a smaller clout without their weapons exports to us.

I told you several time . you only can test the engine underground the rest must be done in live test . If what you say is truth then ksa is the only country in the world that managed to develope the technology to do missile tests underground .

I wrote to you several times that you do not know if KSA has made any tests or not and that it is incredibly easy for KSA to let their allies do the tests for them not withstanding the underground possibility. Not fully as already discussed (you agreed) but partially. If testing "inside KSA" is needed which it would not be the case if say China or Pakistan already tested what is being worked on at home. This way no suspicion or attention would be given to KSA and no treaties would be broken. That is how things are done. You mentioned Israel doing something similar (apparently) with their nukes ages ago so why do you think KSA could not do it when we ALREADY did (secretly) this below OVER 30 years ago when we had zero diplomatic ties with China, officially that is?

Watch this video of Bruce Riedel (former CIA)



The defence(weapon) industry is much more than weapons.. just think R&D and implementation of new technologies.. and it is also a full fledged industry with all the term implies..

Precisely.
 
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The defence(weapon) industry is much more than weapons.. just think R&D and implementation of new technologies.. and it is also a full fledged industry with all the term implies..
Yes, when talk about industry it cover everything. And it always emerge from best educational institutions. Mother of all progress and mother of all profitable investment and growth is education and establish prestigious schools.
 
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Yes, when talk about industry it cover everything. And it always emerge from best educational institutions. Mother of all progress and mother of all profitable investment and growth is education and establish prestigious schools.

Well, that is why KSA should not be mentioned when you said that the "Muslim world is only focused on weapons and war and not education" when this is the case as posted:



Oiling the wheels on a road to success

Nature volume 532, pages S13–S15 (28 April 2016) | Download Citation

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.

Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

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KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index. Image: KAUST

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

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The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population. Image: Fayez Nureldine/AFP/Getty Images

Saudi Arabia's march to the top Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.

532S13a-g1.jpg

Chemistry More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.

532S13a-g2.jpg

The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

“Saudi Arabia could look to some successful emerging economies for inspiration.”

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth

An internationally rising star This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*. *Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

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In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

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Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D. Image: Top: KACST; Bottom: KAUST

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.

“Its rise up the ranks depends on a 'self-correcting mechanism' of a slow start to sustainable growth.”

Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a

A few days ago Saudi Arabian students won gold medals in an international physics and science olympiad in Latvia. Will post the article in a few minutes when I find it.

Saudi foundation wins gold, bronze in European Physics Olympiad

RIYADH: Azan Al-Majnooni and Hisham Al-Maliki, of the King Abdul Aziz and his Companions Foundation for Giftedness and Creativity (Mawhiba), won gold and bronze medals respectively at the European Physics Olympiad (EUPHO) 2019, in Riga, Latvia.
The contest ran from May 31 to June 4, and the Saudi duo were praised for their awards by the secretary-general of Mawhiba, Dr. Saud bin Saeed Al-Mathami.
Al-Mathami stressed that the accomplishments were achieved thanks to government support for the sciences and the foundation. This was the first time the Kingdom had taken part in EUPHO, which hosted 26 other nations.
“This comes as an extension to the march toward achieving the targets of the Kingdom’s Vision 2030 through improving education and building a solid base for a talented generation, capable of realizing the aspirations of a state able to rely on creativity and innovation as a means to achieve,” he said.
The secretary-general added that Saudi Arabia paid great attention to gifted and talented citizens, catering their needs and requirements, upgrading services and programs supporting them, and creating the right environment to grow and develop their abilities.
Al-Mathami underlined that this victory was the result of fruitful and constructive cooperation between Mawhiba and King Abdullah University of Science and Technology and the Royal Commission for Jubail and Yanbu.
EUPHO is an international student contest, first held in 2017 in Estonia, and then in Russia 12 months later.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1506936/saudi-arabia

As of 2018, Saudi Arabia ranks 28 worldwide in terms of high-quality research output according to the renowned scientific journal Nature.[564] This makes Saudi Arabia the best performing Middle Eastern, Arab and Muslimcountry.

Saudi Arabia spends 8.8 % of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the global average of 4.6%, which is nearly double the global average on education.[565]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

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Well, that is why KSA should not be mentioned when you said that the "Muslim world is only focused on weapons and war and not education" when this is the case as posted:



Oiling the wheels on a road to success

Nature volume 532, pages S13–S15 (28 April 2016) | Download Citation

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.

Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

532S13a-i1.jpg

KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index. Image: KAUST

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

532S13a-i2.jpg

The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population. Image: Fayez Nureldine/AFP/Getty Images

Saudi Arabia's march to the top Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.

532S13a-g1.jpg

Chemistry More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.

532S13a-g2.jpg

The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

“Saudi Arabia could look to some successful emerging economies for inspiration.”

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth

An internationally rising star This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*. *Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

532S13a-g3.jpg

In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

532S13a-i3.jpg

532S13a-i4.jpg

Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D. Image: Top: KACST; Bottom: KAUST

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.

“Its rise up the ranks depends on a 'self-correcting mechanism' of a slow start to sustainable growth.”

Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a

A few days ago Saudi Arabian students won gold medals in an international physics and science olympiad in Latvia. Will post the article in a few minutes when I find it.

Saudi foundation wins gold, bronze in European Physics Olympiad

RIYADH: Azan Al-Majnooni and Hisham Al-Maliki, of the King Abdul Aziz and his Companions Foundation for Giftedness and Creativity (Mawhiba), won gold and bronze medals respectively at the European Physics Olympiad (EUPHO) 2019, in Riga, Latvia.
The contest ran from May 31 to June 4, and the Saudi duo were praised for their awards by the secretary-general of Mawhiba, Dr. Saud bin Saeed Al-Mathami.
Al-Mathami stressed that the accomplishments were achieved thanks to government support for the sciences and the foundation. This was the first time the Kingdom had taken part in EUPHO, which hosted 26 other nations.
“This comes as an extension to the march toward achieving the targets of the Kingdom’s Vision 2030 through improving education and building a solid base for a talented generation, capable of realizing the aspirations of a state able to rely on creativity and innovation as a means to achieve,” he said.
The secretary-general added that Saudi Arabia paid great attention to gifted and talented citizens, catering their needs and requirements, upgrading services and programs supporting them, and creating the right environment to grow and develop their abilities.
Al-Mathami underlined that this victory was the result of fruitful and constructive cooperation between Mawhiba and King Abdullah University of Science and Technology and the Royal Commission for Jubail and Yanbu.
EUPHO is an international student contest, first held in 2017 in Estonia, and then in Russia 12 months later.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1506936/saudi-arabia

As of 2018, Saudi Arabia ranks 28 worldwide in terms of high-quality research output according to the renowned scientific journal Nature.[564] This makes Saudi Arabia the best performing Middle Eastern, Arab and Muslimcountry.

Saudi Arabia spends 8.8 % of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the global average of 4.6%, which is nearly double the global average on education.[565]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

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Well except few rest of muslim world is one fvcked up case.
 
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There is most likely someone with a too big mouth or the open "secret" of acceleration in recent years of the RSSMF could no longer be kept at bay.

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Most likely medium-range systems capable of carrying nuclear warheads have already been developed. Depending on the speed of the "acceleration process" quite possibly long-range as well. In particular as China is heavily involved.

If I had to make a guess, China is betting on the right horse (Arabian at that too, lol) as I can see KSA being one of China's biggest military partners. Already is to an extent. China would love to have access (physical as well) in such a key strategic location as KSA even more with the CPEC and Silk Road initiate as we connect 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe) and the most key sea trade route (the vast, vast majority of the world's trade is conducted by ship) (Red Sea) not to mention the natural resources that China depends on and will depend on for at least 40-50 years.
 
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Believe or not after 2025 majority of key post will be hold by Saudi kids who are returning . Right now Saudi govt don't want to remove the foreign workers who are working on key post, because that will create a sudden vacuum of experienced people. But eventually, all foreigners will be out of Suadi petro chemical industry. I see hundreds of engineers graduating in 2020-2022.

Saudization has been prioritized since past 15 years.
Population increase is a slow process, obviously it will take it's course of time.
Having said that, it doesn't means foreigners will be out altogether.
I know many Pakistanis, who are doing their doctorates in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia have dynamic leadership, this country will grow in many new ways and there will be always be requirement, but may be in different category.
 
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in coming years , strong economy and trade will and is replacing the nuclear bomb. Europe is working on economy and muslim world is busy building bombs and rocket.
Europe already feels secure with its own bombs and missiles ..plus the US umbrella.. mind you..
The Muslim world is also working on economy and trade, despite not having the same vital and comfortable security as Europe..
 
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