Exclusive: US intel shows Saudi Arabia escalated its missile program with help from China

[zectech]

Maybe Sisi will join China's camp.

BRI, if not through Poland, through Egypt!

 

[Hack-Hook]

Have Israel ever tested a nuke or have anyone seen them parade it?

France and South Africa did the testing for them .
By the way nukes and missiles are different.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Come on Iraq fired 46 Scud variant toward PGCC countries and majority of them disintegrated in air .


Well you say live missile test underground ,well my opinion is of no consequence let other members decide and no you can't hide ballistic missile test from satellite eyes.

What is PGCC? There is no such thing. Unless Iran is a Gulf of Oman or Arabian Sea country. We can play that game. BTW, KSA is not a "gulf country". There is no such thing to begin with. Those are Arabian countries of the Arabian Peninsula. The Eastern part (coastal) speak Khaliji dialects as spoken in Southern Iraq, mainly Basra province all the way to Eastern Oman next to Baluchistan in Pakistan. Hijazis next door to Sham and Egypt are closer located to Cyprus and Greece than they are to the Gulf of Oman for instance.

The point was that KSA as a country has experienced it and obviously has drawn their own conclusions. That was 30 years ago as written earlier.

Well, no member here has any knowledge about the state secrets of KSA. What I am arguing is based on logic, time passed, military budget, reports, the words of our de facto leader (MbS), common sense, situation in the region and the 100's of reports saying the same from West and East. Now this new report that this thread is about stating an open secret namely long-established KSA-Chinese cooperation in regards to our missile program. People can obviously ignore this and pretend that nothing has changed for over 30 years, lol. That is their problem. I don't think that strategists in Iran are this stupid or at least I hope so.

France and South Africa did the testing for them .
By the way nukes and missiles are different.

No definitive proof. Solely speculation. So we are back to square one. Just like there is no prove (definitive) of most of Iran's claims in terms of its missile program.

Missiles can be tested underground as well. That was the point.

 

[HAIDER]

Sir I am going to tell you a fact My father have worked in MOI Saudi Arabia and he told me that Ballistic equipment from China and Pakistan have arrived atleast 5-6 year ago

interesting , very interesting. reciprocation .

 

[Timur]

Good riddance as well

someone having orgasms ..

I dont have to say that for the responsible prince.. the dead ppl will take them straight to the almighty on judgement day.. while their heads are on their arms..

everywhere are terrorists huh?

that 14 years old was also a terrorist : https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...audi-forces-torture-theresa-may-a7878361.html

its like you now who should be executed, hanged, and crucified because of your many postings here.. yes because you made yourself a terrorist..

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

someone having orgasms ..

I dont have to say that for the responsible prince.. the dead ppl will take them straight to the almighty on judgement day.. while their heads are on their arms..

everywhere are terrorists huh?

that 14 years old was also a terrorist : https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...audi-forces-torture-theresa-may-a7878361.html

its like you now who should be executed, hanged, and crucified because of your many postings here.. yes because you made yourself a terrorist..

No orgasms. No women around. Just not a fan of citizens who are engaged in propaganda from abroad aimed at the country and individuals with close ties to enemy governments and movements (MB).

As if the Turkish state has not killed many more traitors within their ranks home and abroad in the modern era. Come on. You have many more of such traitors. For starters every Kurd in Diyarbakir is a potential suspect and potentially pro-PKK.

What 14 year old? Those are members of a terrorist family (Al-Nimr) that no longer exist. No innocent in KSA is getting arrested later to be executed. That 14 year old claim is nonsense too. He was arrested as an adult when caught attacking security forces and indirectly civilians caught in the middle. As well as weapons smuggling and anti-state behavior. I don't take British pamphlets seriously. The same papers write about summary executions of Kurdish civilians in Turkey and carpet bombed Turkish towns in the East.

Let me help you out.

Here you go.

Destruction in Kurdish capital of south-east Turkey is dark mirror to Syria

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-turkey-is-dark-mirror-to-syria-a7354161.html

If combating traitors and anti-Arabs makes me a terrorist I am a proud terrorist. 100%.

Can you stop crying and obsessing about Arabs now? Khashoggi, the traitor, is dead. Long ago. He won't come back.

 

[HAIDER]

someone having orgasms ..

I dont have to say that for the responsible prince.. the dead ppl will take them straight to the almighty on judgement day.. while their heads are on their arms..

everywhere are terrorists huh?

that 14 years old was also a terrorist : https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...audi-forces-torture-theresa-may-a7878361.html

its like you now who should be executed, hanged, and crucified because of your many postings here.. yes because you made yourself a terrorist..

try check in University listing this name. this is huge problem, when Saudi allowed these teenager foreign studies, there thoughts start undergoes an evolution process, where they start fighting there own cultural war. Which Saudis failed to understand. They need to understand change is contagious and eventually it reach suadi arabian system. These teenager absorbing change and going against the royal laws. This is psychological issue which need treatment not sword.

 

[Timur]

No orgasms. No women around. Just not a fan of citizens who are engaged in propaganda from abroad aimed at the country and individuals with close ties to enemy governments and movements (MB).

As if the Turkish state has not killed many more traitors within their ranks home and abroad in the modern era. Come on. You have many more of such traitors. For starters every Kurd in Diyarbakir is a potential suspect and potentially pro-PKK.

What 14 year old? Those are members of a terrorist family (Al-Nimr) that no longer exist. No innocent in KSA is getting arrested later to be executed. That 14 year old claim is nonsense too. He was arrested as an adult when caught attacking security forces and indirectly civilians caught in the middle. As well as weapons smuggling and anti-state behavior. I don't take British pamphlets seriously. The same papers write about summary executions of Kurdish civilians in Turkey and carpet bombed Turkish towns in the East.

Let me help you out.

Here you go.

Destruction in Kurdish capital of south-east Turkey is dark mirror to Syria

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-turkey-is-dark-mirror-to-syria-a7354161.html

If combating traitors and anti-Arabs makes me a terrorist I am a proud terrorist. 100%.

Can you stop crying and obsessing about Arabs now? Khashoggi, the traitor, is dead. Long ago. He won't come back.

having other opinions and doing critics is no bad thing you know you live in a country where no such thing exsits.. I dont want you to make yourself a target you dont need to answer me..

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

try check in University listing this name. this is huge problem, when Saudi allowed these teenager foreign studies, there thoughts start undergoes an evolution process, where they start fighting there own cultural war. Which Saudis failed to understand. They need to understand change is contagious and eventually it reach suadi arabian system.

What are you blabbering about. You have zero clue about KSA and Saudi Arabians. Nobody in KSA accepts natives to use violence against the state (cause strive) or work with enemies (Iran) or banned organizations hostile to the country. Like in pretty much every other state. Criticism of the government is something that takes place every single day. There is a big difference between that and working actively to undermine your own country!

In every country traitors get the harshest of punishments. Khashoggi was and is a nobody. Nobody in KSA cares about him. He ran away and choose to embark on a propaganda campaign against his country rather than changing it for the better like 1000's did before and after him. Nobody can respect such a person.

KSA usually does not kill critics or enemies of the state hence why there being 1000's abroad in the West and elsewhere. So spear me the nonsense. Most regional countries are much worse in this regard. Those retards are working 24/7 with foreign entities (often hostile) doing their propaganda for money and trying to turn KSA into a Syria. Not going to work. I know that you would like that and the Anatolian that I am discussing with.

 

[HAIDER]

What are you blabbering about. You have zero clue about KSA and Saudi Arabians. Nobody in KSA accepts natives to use violence against the state (cause strive) or work with enemies (Iran) or banned organizations hostile to the country. Like in pretty much every other state. Criticism of the government is something that takes place every single day. There is a big difference between that and working actively to undermine your own country!

In every country traitors get the harshest of punishments. Khashoggi was and is a nobody. Nobody in KSA cares about him. He ran away and choose to embark on a propaganda campaign against his country rather than changing it for the better like 1000's did before and after him. Nobody can respect such a person.

KSA usually does not kill critics or enemies of the state hence why there being 1000's abroad in the West and elsewhere. So spear me the nonsense. Most regional countries are much worse in this regard.

lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz you back again ......... lolzzzzzzzzzz

how long you blame Iran, this 3rd world dilemma never ends......... you need to accept the change . These saudi students hang out with American and other nationals where there is no such values , which you are protecting .
My father and my perception is different about life and culture .... its natural. is it allow that my father chop my neck?

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz you back again ......... lolzzzzzzzzzz

Great reply. As expected, zero arguments too. Instead of obsessing about KSA and Arabs and writing nonsense as usual, I suggest to inform yourself a bit and educate yourself. It won't hurt. It's not like your comments mean anything or for that sake anybodies comments here but you are just wasting your time.

I suggest you tell the same to anti-Pakistani Pakistanis abroad who publicly praise India and go against everything that you stand for. There is that retarded anti-Muslim idiot from Pakistan based in the UK who seems to be obsessed about KSA too. Tariq something. Talk about him and 1000s like him.

Not some nonsense of Khashoggi being some kind of peaceful saint that had zero dealings with hostile entities (Qatari regime), MB, Erdogan and others who are not friends of KSA or any Arab country with the exception of maybe the Qatari regime.

MB is a terrorist group. At least in KSA and the immediate region. Their publicly stated policy (although their supporters won't admit it) is to topple regimes with force even if that will turn said countries into ruin and turn them into Syria. Most sane people will not agree with this approach. Nor their cult like behavior and organization. Some 100 year old movement form Egypt created in that country in that era where it might have been relevant. This is no longer the case in 2019. We don't need to be taught Islam by some political movement nor is that movement our savior. Look at their corrupt leadership based in Europe. Tariq Ramadan and others. Saying and doing something else. What is that kind of trash? Some kind of joke or what?

Unfortunately KSA, long before I and most Saudi Arabians were born, invited MB trash from other Arab countries. They invested our universities, schools and created the retarded Sahwa movement that we are now escaping. So obviously no sane person would like this movement or want it back let alone support people who openly support it Kashshitry.

Last time I checked I don't see Arabs here or elsewhere saying what is good for Pakistan or who and what parties and movements your country should support. Only in regards to Arab countries, it seems foreigners have this idea that they can meddle and that their opinion is as valuable as that of actual locals.

I had the misfortunate of meeting those MB fools in person in Europe and the Arab world. Trash. Someone once compared them to freemasons in terms of secrecy and that is an accurate comparison. Yes, they have many branches and some are different but the overall goal is the same. They want their version to reign supreme and if possibly (if they had power) by all means. If that means turning countries into shitholes so be it. We saw it in Syria and in Egypt. And in KSA (Sahwa movement) after their influx. Algeria back in the 1990's too. Or what they tried to do in Morocco. Or Jordan. Great stuff.

 

[HAIDER]

Great reply. As expected, zero arguments too. Instead of obsessing about KSA and Arabs and writing nonsense as usual, I suggest to inform yourself a bit and educate yourself. It won't hurt. It's not like your comments mean anything or for that sake anybodies comments here but you are just wasting your time.

I suggest you tell the same to anti-Pakistani Pakistanis abroad who publicly praise India and go against everything that you stand for. There is that retarded anti-Muslim idiot from Pakistan based in the UK who seems to be obsessed about KSA too. Tariq something. Talk about him and 1000s like him.

Not some nonsense of Khashoggi being some kind of peaceful saint that had zero dealings with hostile entities (Qatari regime), MB, Erdogan and others who are not friends of KSA or any Arab country with the exception of maybe the Qatari regime.

MB is a terrorist group. At least in KSA and the immediate region. Their publicly stated policy (although their supporters won't admit it) is to topple regimes with force even if that will turn said countries into ruin and turn them into Syria. Most sane people will not agree with this approach. Nor their cult like behavior and organization. Some 100 year old movement form Egypt created in that country in that era where it might have been relevant. This is no longer the case in 2019. We don't need to be taught Islam by some political movement nor is that movement our savior. Look at their corrupt leadership based in Europe. Tariq Ramadan and others. Saying and doing something else. What is that kind of trash? Some kind of joke or what?

Unfortunately KSA, long before I and most Saudi Arabians were born, invited MB trash from other Arab countries. They invested our universities, schools and created the retarded Sahwa movement that we are now escaping. So obviously no sane person would like this movement or want it back let alone support people who openly support it Kashshitry.

Saudi arabia has strategic partnership with India , we accept it. Your country has more Indian then Pakistan, we accept it. All lucrative post are hold by Indian, we accept it. India and Saudi has billions of dollars trade, we have no problem and accept it. Saudi Arabia refused to take position on Kashmir in Pak favor, we accept it, no problem. Now we provide you advance missile technology , isn't we generous ? .
Outside KSA world is very different and free. we have no problem if you criticize Pakistani govt for any wrong policy. no problem ,we can debate. But we don't call you names or idiot etc etc etc .... you need to understand Pakistanies are not slave , our constitution gave us freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Do you have one ?

 

[Hack-Hook]

What is PGCC? There is no such thing. Unless Iran is a Gulf of Oman or Arabian Sea country. We can play that game. BTW, KSA is not a "gulf country". There is no such thing to begin with. Those are Arabian countries of the Arabian Peninsula. The Eastern part (coastal) speak Khaliji dialects as spoken in Southern Iraq, mainly Basra province all the way to Eastern Oman next to Baluchistan in Pakistan. Hijazis next door to Sham and Egypt are closer located to Cyprus and Greece than they are to the Gulf of Oman for instance.

The point was that KSA as a country has experienced it and obviously has drawn their own conclusions. That was 30 years ago as written earlier.

Well, no member here has any knowledge about the state secrets of KSA. What I am arguing is based on logic, time passed, military budget, reports, the words of our de facto leader (MbS), common sense, situation in the region and the 100's of reports saying the same from West and East. Now this new report that this thread is about stating an open secret namely long-established KSA-Chinese cooperation in regards to our missile program. People can obviously ignore this and pretend that nothing has changed for over 30 years, lol. That is their problem. I don't think that strategists in Iran are this stupid or at least I hope so.



No definitive proof. Solely speculation. So we are back to square one. Just like there is no prove (definitive) of most of Iran's claims in terms of its missile program.

Missiles can be tested underground as well. That was the point.

The missile engine can be tested underground the missile can't . you must fire it and it must finish its flight

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Saudi arabia has strategic partnership with India , we accept it. Your country has more Indian then Pakistan, we accept it. All lucrative post are hold by Indian, we accept it. India and Saudi has billions of dollars trade, we have no problem and accept it. Saudi Arabia refused to take position on Kashmir in Pak favor, we accept it, no problem. Now we provide you advance missile technology , isn't we generous ? .
Outside KSA world is very different and free. You have no problem if you criticize Pakistani govt for any wrong policy. no problem ,we can debate. But we don't call you names or idiot etc etc etc .... you need to understand Pakistanies are not slave , our constitution gave us freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Do you have one ?

Are you drunk? There is no strategic partnership with India. Other than trade.

Some 200.000 more Indians while India having a 7.5 times LARGER population than Pakistan. Your biggest expat community in the world is in KSA. Forgot that little detail? Your economy relies on Pakistanis working in KSA and the GCC. Forgot that little detail? KSA has bailed you out since forever economically and politically. Funded your nuclear program. Helped you when you were sanctioned by the world as one of the few countries in the world alongside the UAE. Forgot that "little detail"? Now recently as well. More than anyone else.

What position against Kashmir? The position of KSA, the GCC and the OIC is clear and has been well-known since forever. Let me ask you, what is your position on Syria, Yemen, Iran etc.? I thought so.

Let me tell you a thing. What KSA has done for Pakistan is more than Pakistan has done for KSA. You cannot and could not do much other than military help (even that is little compared to other countries that I do not need to name) as you are not a wealthy nation. That is understandable but your fantasy world of somehow KSA not helping you and not being your closest ally since your birth as a country, is some kind of nonsense. MILLIONS of Pakistanis are DIRECTLY dependent on money earned in SAUDI ARABIA.

Do you realize how easy it would be for KSA to replace all Pakistanis with fellow Arabs and Muslims from Africa, South East Asia, Caucasus etc.? Do you realize how many Muslims want to work in KSA and the GCC? 100 times as many as work there. Or how easy it would be to work with India on all fronts instead? Yet we do not do that. Because Arabs, when they make a promise, keep it and are allies as long as we are treated well by our partners.

Freedom of speech is something that was invented in Arabia. I suggest you study history. Majlis are the oldest form of communal gatherings in the world practiced to this day in KSA. Where locals and rulers exchange opinions and make petitions in person. Not through a ballot box. You don't understand the tribal element either and the alliance between the ruler and people (populace). For that you need to understand the foundation stones of KSA which you obviously do not understand.

The missile engine can be tested underground the missile can't . you must fire it and it must finish its flight

Not when those missiles where tested by countries whom we are working with. Then it is not necessary. That is a very easy way to do it.

 

[The SC]

i do not live in any fantasy land war will bring mass destruction to both sides as any system has a weak point, well as you said SA missile program began 30 year by buying missiles from China Iran's missile program began at the same given time by buying Russian missiles from Syria and Libya but i do not believe that is more advanced than anything Iran have in 2019 as Iran missile program is the biggest in ME and North Africa and yes there is not a lot of information about SA or Iran missile programs will we are on the same level with Pakistan on missiles and nuclear programs we were not at first but we catch up to them real fast so there is nothing more advancer in Pakistan missile or satellite launch vehicle program than Iran's the difference between SA and Iran is that we build our own missiles but we can not see an Saudi Arabian ballistic missile at this time or missile test as we have Khorramshahr missile 2000 KM range with almost 2 ton warhead or multiple warheads with 800 KG warheads that can go up to 4000 KM with 1 ton warhead and Iran missiles have shown there advancement in combat with there speed and size and there carbon fiber body and there pin point accuracy with there CEP under 30 meters and Anti_ship ballistic missiles and the would first Anti_radiation ballistic missiles i can not confirm or deny SA advancement as we do not have any information about your missile program we do not know if you coping or building your own missiles but as of now SA need a lot of catching up and live tests to do as there is no information that SA has a big ballistic missile or cruise missile program like Iran.


in part of Air Defence yes SA with Israel are the best in ME but Iran will make S400 like system as they already built a system more powerful than S300 PMU 2 so SA need to work on that too and SA needs a advance UAV program too. its all well and good, i like to see a missile test some day.

KSA had only to get blueprints of already tested missiles..and make them with TOT..