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Bolton is back with a bang.


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Ex-US envoy to UN calls for extracting Pak nukes
Published: May 03, 2009
NEW YORK - A former US ambassador to the UN has urged the Obama administration to consider extracting
as many nuclear weapons as possible from Pakistan in an attempt to somewhat mitigate the consequences of
regime collapse as the Taliban make rapid gains in the country.
“President (Barack) Obama’s talks next week in Washington with the presidents of Afghanistan and Pakistan
provide a clear opportunity to take the hard steps necessary to secure Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal and defeat the
Taliban,” John Bolton, a hardliner who served under the Bush administration, wrote in a newspaper article
published on Saturday.

“Failure to act decisively could well lead to strategic defeat in Pakistan,” he wrote in The Wall Street Journal.
President Asif Ali Zardari and his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai will also hold separate talks with Obama as
well as a mini-summit, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Friday.
“The president looks forward to discussing with these two democratically elected leaders how we can work
together to enhance our cooperation in this important part of the world as the United States implements a new
strategy” for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said Gibbs.
In his article, Bolton, now a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a think-tank, makes more sweeping
statement as he voices serious concern over the situation in Pakistan.
“To prevent catastrophe will require considerable American effort and unquestionably provoke resistance from
many Pakistanis, often for widely differing reasons,” he said.
“We must strengthen pro-American elements in Pakistan’s military so they can purge dangerous Islamicists from
their ranks; roll back Taliban advances; and, together with our increased efforts in Afghanistan, decisively defeat
the militants on either side of the border.
This may mean stifling some of our democratic squeamishness and acquiescing in a Pakistani military
takeover, if the civilian government melts before radical pressures. So be it.
 
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Lol nice way to blackmail PA so that they act more hardly on Talibans.This is a tactic so that PA acts more under pressure.The Pro US Generals in Pakistan Army are Pakistanis first so it's not like they will give all nukes on a plate to US.
 
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The meeting hasn't even started and the threats are already being made. Cancel the visit all together. I'm not crazy. I'm right in saying that the Yanks aren't sincere. Just keep on building up the nuke arsenal and spread them like there's no tomorrow as a precautionary measure. The nukes are our jugular vain.
 
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The funny part is that his Op-ed actually has some sound pro Pakistan points that you news paper seems to have happily omitted.
In fact he indicates bluntly that the US has made some serious stupid mistakes.

Why were they left out? Simple to entrench the anti US attitude.

Here is the full Op-ed. Read it, and then comment based on the real story.
Link: The Taliban's Atomic Threat - WSJ.com

The Taliban's Atomic Threat
The extremists who harbored al Qaeda could get control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.


By JOHN R. BOLTON
At his press conference Wednesday evening, President Barack Obama endorsed Pakistan's official position that it has secure control over its nuclear-weapons arsenal. Mr. Obama said he was "gravely concerned" about the situation there, but "confident that the nuclear arsenal will remain out of militant hands."

His words are not reassuring in light of the Taliban's military and political gains throughout Pakistan. Our security, and that of friends and allies world-wide, depends critically on preventing more adversaries, especially ones with otherworldly ideologies, from acquiring nuclear weapons. Unless there is swift, decisive action against the Islamic radicals there, Pakistan faces two very worrisome scenarios.

One scenario is that instability continues to grow, and that the radicals disrupt both Pakistan's weak democratic institutions and the military.

Often known as Pakistan's "steel skeleton" for holding the country together after successive corrupt or incompetent civilian governments, the military itself is now gravely threatened from within by rising pro-Taliban sentiment. In these circumstances -- especially if, as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified recently, the nuclear arsenal has been dispersed around the country -- there is a tangible risk that several weapons could slip out of military control. Such weapons could then find their way to al Qaeda or other terrorists, with obvious global implications.

The second scenario is even more dangerous. Instability could cause the constitutional government to collapse entirely and the military to fragment. This could allow a well-organized, tightly disciplined group to seize control of the entire Pakistani government. While Taliban-like radicals might not have even a remote chance to prevail in free and fair elections, they could well take advantage of chaos to seize power. If that happened, a radical Islamicist regime in Pakistan would control a substantial nuclear weapons capacity.

Not only could this second scenario give international terrorists even greater access to Pakistan's nuclear capabilities, the risk of nuclear confrontation with India would also increase dramatically. Moreover, Iran would certainly further accelerate its own weapons program, followed inexorably by others in the region (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey) obtaining nuclear weapons, perhaps through direct purchase from Islamabad's new regime.

To prevent either scenario, Pakistan must move to the top of our strategic agenda, albeit closely related to Afghanistan. (Pashtuns on both sides of the border are the major source of Taliban manpower, although certainly not the only locus of radical support.) Contrary to Western "international nannies," the primary conflict motivators in both countries are ethnic and tribal loyalties, religious fanaticism and simple opportunism. It is not a case of the "have nots" rising against the "haves," but of True Believers on a divine mission. Accordingly, neither greater economic assistance, nor more civilian advisers upcountry, nor stronger democratic institutions will eliminate the strategic threat nearly soon enough.

We didn't get here overnight. We are reaping the consequences of failed nonproliferation policies that in the past penalized Pakistan for its nuclear program by cutting off military assistance and scaling back the International Military Education and Training (IMET) program that brought hundreds of Pakistani officers to the U.S. Globally, this extraordinarily successful program has bound generations of foreign military leaders to their U.S. counterparts. Past cut-offs with Pakistan have harmed our bilateral relationship. Perhaps inevitably, the Pakistani officers who haven't participated in IMET are increasingly subject to radical influences.

Moreover, the Bush administration, by pushing former President Pervez Musharraf into unwise elections and effectively removing him from power, simply exacerbated the instability within Pakistan's already frail system. Mr. Musharraf's performance against the terrorists left much to be desired, and he was no democrat. But removing him was unpleasantly reminiscent of the 1963 coup against South Vietnam's Diem regime, which ushered in a succession of ever-weaker, revolving-door governments, thus significantly facilitating the ultimate Communist takeover. Benazir Bhutto's assassination, while obviously unforeseen, was a direct consequence of our excessive electoral zeal.


To prevent catastrophe will require considerable American effort and unquestionably provoke resistance from many Pakistanis, often for widely differing reasons. We must strengthen pro-American elements in Pakistan's military so they can purge dangerous Islamicists from their ranks; roll back Taliban advances; and, together with our increased efforts in Afghanistan, decisively defeat the militants on either side of the border. This may mean stifling some of our democratic squeamishness and acquiescing in a Pakistani military takeover, if the civilian government melts before radical pressures. So be it.

Moreover, we must strive to keep Indo-Pakistani relations stable, if not friendly, and pressure Islamabad to put nuclear-weapons proliferator and father of Pakistan's nuclear program A.Q. Khan back under house arrest. At the same time, we should contemplate whether and how to extract as many nuclear weapons as possible from Pakistan, thus somewhat mitigating the consequences of regime collapse. (Stupid idea for any country to consider about another. There, for what ever reason, must still be that nuclear balance between Pakistan and India. Reality is nuclear arms should be removed from both not just one if this is even contemplated and note an associated war between US vs India and Pakistan.)

President Obama's talks next week in Washington with the presidents of Afghanistan and Pakistan provide a clear opportunity to take the hard steps necessary to secure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and defeat the Taliban. Failure to act decisively could well lead to strategic defeat in Pakistan.

Mr. Bolton, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of "Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad" (Simon & Schuster, 2007).
 
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well i hope they know where they are! - extracting them is easier said than done - the ops may suffer the same fate as the iranian embassy hostage rescue attempt. when it comes to pak nukes, there is one-voice in pakistan - defend at all costs!
 
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the ops may suffer the same fate as the iranian embassy hostage rescue attempt
Very tactful

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Peaceful Indian,
I appreciate the "Bolton is back with a bang" turn of phrase.

Saadahmed,
I wish I had had your signing off quote - concerning Jinna's Islam. About a year ago I was discussing Jinna with a Muslim from Pakistan on a Religious discussion board fo the Abrahamic Traditions. I knew that Jinna did not support the kind of Islam that he supported - but of course he told me I was wrong because non-Muslims (and non-Pakistanis) just don't understand. So Jinna was a Muslim? Oh yeah, a Maududist Muslim? Yeah right.
So I will be keeping your signing-off quote for next time I 'meet up' with the character.

Yes BarburCM,
the nukes are Pakistan's jugular vein, but Pakistan knew that when it decided to build them. And America decided to let them build them. Now why do you think that was? And what benefit are nuclear weapons when it makes a nation so bold it starts two wars with a country it cannot possibly beat and has to be saved from disaster both times by its exasperated friend and provider - America. The same America that Pakistanis are taught to hate by a small minority of Pakistanis that is growing larger every day.

Ratus Ratus,
Todah for the article.
 
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''EXTRACT''!!! What the FOOK is Bolton a freakin' dentist??? :crazy: :rofl:

US does not have the resources let alone the military capacity to do what this Bolt..on dum@ss has suggested! They cannot even find OBL in a straightforward mountainous region and you really think they would be able to safely extract 150 odd, piece-meal, highly secured, spread at about 2000 various literally undetectable spots all over Pakistan? The only way I see this happening is when Mr. Bolt..on is send as the US Viceroy to rule Pakistan.....oh wait! that's already been done before 1947! :rofl: :blah: :blah:
 
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America decided to let them build them
we do not need American permission To build any defence equipment Which cloud you on Americans would never let any Muslim country have Nukes.
 
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So the capitalist imperialist pundits of the great satan lone super power in the world contemplating on snaching away pakistani nukes.very interesting.:coffee:
 
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Yes BarburCM,
the nukes are Pakistan's jugular vein, but Pakistan knew that when it decided to build them. And America decided to let them build them. Now why do you think that was? And what benefit are nuclear weapons when it makes a nation so bold it starts two wars with a country it cannot possibly beat and has to be saved from disaster both times by its exasperated friend and provider - America. The same America that Pakistanis are taught to hate by a small minority of Pakistanis that is growing larger every day.


They made a vital mistake at that time. A slight miscalculation to put it mildly. The situation back then was totally different. The Americans felt the urgency to counter the Indian influence which they regarded as a big threat. India was believe it or not considered a major threat to the American expansionist hegemony. The Americans realized that they could never stop Pakistan from building the nukes whilst the Indians had already exploded a few. Also, some events in the region distracted or rather made the Americans turn a blind eye towards the Pakistani nuke program. The Yanks needed full Pakistani support against the former USSR. They obviously weren't going to get that had they interfered in the nuke project.

You're very naive to believe that the nukes serve no purpose as a deterrent. The nukes are the main factor that have prevented a war on so many occasions. A war was inevitable after the Mumbai attacks, but the nukes were the demotivating factor for India. Pakistan surely may not be able to totally defeat India, but I'm certain that the Indians wouldn't be crazy either to risk an all out nuclear war with Pakistan. Don't underestimate the political implications that nuclear weapons have in the subcontinent scenario. It's an effective weapon that not only serves during war, but also peace time.

Cut the nonsense. No one is taught to hate anyone. The American foreign policy is largely responsible for the dislike not only amongst Pakistanis, but the world populace in general. You don't exactly make friends by invading other countries on false pretences and torturing their citizens. Of course, the Americans only intervene when it suits their interests. The Americans are also well reputed for leaving everyone high and dry when their objectives are met. If there's anyone fed with hatred it are the Americans which are constantly barraged with anti-Islam propaganda on their media. Crusade against Islam, is that what you call a slip of a tongue?
 
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