Ex-MI6 Boss Warns West Not To Insult Islam

[RescueRanger]

Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked, suggests ex-MI6 boss as he agrees with the Pope's Charlie Hebdo comments.

By Alistair Bunkall, Defence Correspondent

The former chief of MI6 has warned that anyone insulting Islam can expect to provoke a reaction and that "there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John Sawers was delivering his first speech since leaving office. He stepped down as 'C' in November 2014 after five years at the helm of the Secret Intelligence Service.

Sir John picked up on comments made by the Pope in reference to the provocative cartoons published in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, where 12 were killed in a terror attack. Al Qaeda said the attacks were revenge for the depiction of Mohammed.

Pope Francis told crowds in The Philippines that a friend who had cursed his mother could "expect a punch" in return.

Sir John said: "There is a requirement for restraint from those of us in the West.

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"I rather agree with the Pope that, of course, the attacks in Paris were completely unacceptable and cannot be justified on any basis whatsoever, but I think respect for other people's religion is also an important part of this.

"If you show disrespect for others' core values then you are going to provoke an angry response. That doesn't justify anything, but I think we just need to bear it in mind."

Sir John praised the work of the intelligence and security agencies but reiterated the threat to the UK from terrorists: "If I was to sit here and say will the goalkeepers of the security services and the police keep every single attempt to get the ball into the net, out? No. At some point these threats will get through and there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John said there cannot be any "no-go areas" either in the physical or virtual world and said there cannot be a trade-off between security and privacy.

"If the technology companies allow to be developed, areas that are simply impenetrable, you're inviting problems," he warned.

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[Foggy_Bottom]

Don't you think his and the Pope's statement - " Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked" is rather Insulting to Islam itself?

 

[Orakzai]

Don't you think his and the Pope's statement - " Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked" is rather Insulting to Islam itself?

i don't know why people in west and US take these things so easy. when you provoke people irrespective of their religion or nation there would be a reaction to it. west keep on insulting islam and then naming it free speech is such a ridiculous thing which is fuelling the clashes between not only religions but cultures too.

 

[Gufi]

Don't you think his and the Pope's statement - " Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked" is rather Insulting to Islam itself?

No it is those who insult Islam that we find insulting to Islam. combine what you quoted with what the MI-6 leader said

"If you show disrespect for others' core values then you are going to provoke an angry response. That doesn't justify anything, but I think we just need to bear it in mind."

What I have been saying all along. That most people will not react violently in anger in a billion you will find some who will go for blood. I had this debate earlier with a few members here. If there is a problem with using human emotional responses as a reason maybe the reason for these people is they possess the warrior gene or genes for extreme violence. Have a problem with that then brand them crazy like you did the Islamophobe who killed a man recently.
Plus how the media is unfairly biased now is another worrying aspect they are instigating Islamophobic behavior which will not help either. If you expect to live in a world which is peaceful you need to work towards it.
The media needs to play a responsible role. It is instigating the hate along with politicians. Both are responsible for the rising divisions in society which will not help the people in any way. This thread which is not really related to this issue but rather tells how media bias and political fervor is not always backed by facts and there is wrongful instigation being done by painting false pictures.
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[Foggy_Bottom]

i don't know why people in west and US take these things so easy. when you provoke people irrespective of their religion or nation there would be a reaction to it. west keep on insulting islam and then naming it free speech is such a ridiculous thing which is fuelling the clashes between not only religions but cultures too.

He is justifying it, that is the bane of his statement.

And honestly........ making it sound that it is acceptable in Islam. Seemingly you agree.

No it is those who insult Islam that we find insulting to Islam. combine what you quoted with what the MI-6 leader saidy

You are not getting it. By saying to expect a violent attack back, he is justifying the violent attack and kinda saying it's to be expected from the followers of Islam.

 

[Gufi]

You are not getting it. By saying to expect a violent attack back, he is justifying the violent attack and kinda saying it's to be expected from the followers of Islam.

no he is using a well established principle of those who study the human response which says if you insult someone's core principles you will expect a violent response in isolated incidents. What you are not getting is that he is talking about is the human reaction not the reaction of Muslims.

 

[Orakzai]

He is justifying it, that is the bane of his statement.

And honestly........ making it sound that it is acceptable in Islam. Seemingly you agree.



You are not getting it. By saying to expect a violent attack back, he is justifying the violent attack and kinda saying it's to be expected from the followers of Islam.

there is not justification for killings and tbh i don't see anywhere him justifying it but rather his statement is a warning.
all i am saying is that when you insult someone do not call it a freedom of speech. you are from US i start saying shit about your country you might ignore me once or twice but not all the times at one stage you would definitely would want to punch me in the face.

 

[rockstar08]

told ya it aint gonna stop nigga .... just wait till next Cartoon or movie comes out ..

 

[Koovie]

i don't know why people in west and US take these things so easy. when you provoke people irrespective of their religion or nation there would be a reaction to it. west keep on insulting islam and then naming it free speech is such a ridiculous thing which is fuelling the clashes between not only religions but cultures too.

Insulting? If you cant live with the fact that somebody criticizes your religious leaders and blame it as an insult to all Muslims then nobody can help you.

The right to criticize any one you want is fundamental. Nothing is too "sacred" to be "protected" from criticism... thats why secular nations are not ruled by religious leaders and other jokers.

 

[Orakzai]

Insulting? If you cant live with the fact that somebody criticizes your religious leaders and blame it as an insult to all Muslims then nobody can help you.

The right to criticize any one you want is fundamental. Nothing is too "sacred" to be "protected" from criticism... thats why secular nations are not ruled by religious leaders and other jokers.

do you have even a tiny bit of knowledge what criticism is??? making insulting cartoons is that what you call a criticism??
making stupid cartoons are not freaking criticism get your head right.
that freedom of speech drama you guys play against muslims say some shit about anti semitism and you'll find your *** in the jail that is how sacred and protected antisemitism.

if there is nothing too sacred and protected then meet me and sit with me for an hour and i start making stupid cartoons and spite out few moronic and insulting sentences against you which i would think are very right representation of you, let me see for how long you bear it?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

do you have even a tiny bit of knowledge what criticism is??? making insulting cartoons is that what you call a criticism??
making stupid cartoons are not freaking criticism get your head right.
that freedom of speech drama you guys play against muslims say some shit about anti semitism and you'll find your *** in the jail that is how sacred and protected antisemitism.?

Hate to butt into your conversation with the other gent - But satire is a form of criticism.

And, since you elected to live in a "western" culture, you should know that we have the right to free speech- to criticize judaism. Plus in Christian majority nations like that you chose to reside and ours, atheism is far from a protected class.

no he is using a well established principle of those who study the human response which says if you insult someone's core principles you will expect a violent response in isolated incidents. What you are not getting is that he is talking about is the human reaction not the reaction of Muslims.

He is not using that example towards all religions, rather only Islam. Ask yourself if you would hear from him and read about him making such a statement about other religions. That's why I said ' it is rather insulting'.

 

[Orakzai]

Hate to butt into your conversation with the other gent - But satire is a form of criticism.

And, since you elected to live in a "western" culture, you should know that we have the right to free speech- to criticize judaism. Plus in Christian majority nations like that you chose to reside and ours, atheism is far from protected.

i have not chosen to live in a western country i am here only for studies and once its finishes i would go back to my country. there is nothing wrong in appreciating and studying here if i think that these educational institutions are better then the ones we have back home. i have lived here for few year and i would always respect this country from the core of my heart.
to the topic, my friend as i have lived in a "western" country, yes they emphasis a lot on freedom of speech no doubt about that but one thing i do know that they do know the difference between freedom of speech and insulting or i should say provoking someone too and they emphasis on that too.
all i am saying is that there is a difference between criticising and insulting. criticise things if you don't agree to them but making very insulting cartoons and humiliating the whole religion since when did the western countries allowed it???

 

[k_arura]

i don't know why people in west and US take these things so easy. when you provoke people irrespective of their religion or nation there would be a reaction to it. west keep on insulting islam and then naming it free speech is such a ridiculous thing which is fuelling the clashes between not only religions but cultures too.

If someone punches you, punch them. Keep the response proportional. If a Hindu/Christian insults Islam you can insult them. Have cartoons etc. You don't kill them as that is not proportional.

And for Islam to act wounded is quite hypocritical. Were you respecting Hindus when you destroyed their temples? Islamic Destruction of Hindu Temples A proportional response by the Hindus should be to destroy Mecca. Are you game for that buddy?

 

[Gufi]

He is not using that example towards all religions, rather only Islam. Ask yourself if you would hear from and read about him making such a statement about other religions.

he understands the bias towards Islam at the current time.. I heard ur media was called stupid by the PM of Britain and now Paris mayor wants to sue it... biases and bashing has repercussions... which is human response.... which will always be varied from condemnation to rebuttals to violence... look at the recent racial violence in America..

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

i have not chosen to live in a western country i am here only for studies and once its finishes i would go back to my country. there is nothing wrong in appreciating and studying here if i think that these educational institutions are better then the ones we have back home. i have lived here for few year and i would always respect this country from the core of my heart.
to the topic, my friend as i have lived in a "western" country, yes they emphasis a lot on freedom of speech no doubt about that but one thing i do know that they do know the difference between freedom of speech and insulting or i should say provoking someone too and they emphasis on that too.
all i am saying is that there is a difference between criticising and insulting. criticise things if you don't agree to them but making very insulting cartoons and humiliating the whole religion since when did the western countries allowed it???

Wait a minute- Can I be honest with you. This is where you lose us westerners. With open hearts we allow you to come into our countries to study. As you said we have far better educational systems than other countries or else you would have been at some Islamic university in the M.E ( they have some good universities too, while being culturally more aligned to you). What do you do in return for the gratitude we have shown, in your case Australia has shown?

You spread complete B.S about the freedom of speech in our western cultures by saying, quote " that freedom of speech drama you guys play against muslims say some shit about anti semitism and you'll find your *** in the jail that is how sacred and protected antisemitism."

This has to be two way not just a one way street of feigned outrage. People on the other side are equally passionate about their freedoms.

So I gently say to you - You wanna be among us, then accept how we are. You want to be among us, then don't try to make us into the vision of your home country and culture. Finally, you want to be among us, please don't spread lies about our freedoms. IF not, don't step into our house.

he understands the bias towards Islam at the current time.. I heard ur media was called stupid by the PM of Britain and now Paris mayor wants to sue it... biases and bashing has repercussions... which is human response.... which will always be varied from condemnation to rebuttals to violence... look at the recent racial violence in America..

You are not getting it obviously. This has nothing to do with 'my' media or any PM's statement. Have a nice day.