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European giants side with UK in Chinese World Bank row with US

Well i think we made a good decision. The U.S shouldnt always see things in a zero sum manner. This is mainly an economic affair for infrastructure developemnt in Asia, since there is still a HUGE GAP in Asia's infrastructural needs/demand, even this Chinese led agency wont still be able to solve the infrastructural deficiency in poorer Adsian countries. So i dont see why the U.S will be apprehensive about other countries joining . Its not a military/security deal or whatever. So no need to be so concerned. I think the U.S should join as well.:)

By the way, to all Chinese members here: WHERE IS YOUR 'BEST FRIEND' Russia? seems they dont want to join your AIIB?? LMAO...with friends like this.............lool Interesting indeed.:)

Russia may not be joining as we understand why
They need the money fo weather through their financial crisis
But if Russia decides to join AIIB they are most welcome


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China-Russia strategic and economic partnership is already well-beyond the confines of this AIIB.

We understand very well why they are unable to join -- as of yet. In the future, when things get better, China can easily make some arrangements to let Russia in the club.

Russia will always have a guest of honor status.

By the way, although the US publicly appears it does not pull any ropes, it in fact does try to dissuade Europeans from joining the AIIB.

Thank you to Unnamed Sweeper Monk at Chinese Defence Forum for the original link.

UPDATE 7-U.S. urges allies to think twice before joining China-led bank | Reuters
 
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Australia expected to sign up to China-backed bank on Monday- paper
SYDNEY, March 20, Thu Mar 19, 2015

(Reuters) - Australia could invest as much as A$3 billion ($2.3 billion) to join the China-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), a local newspaper said on Friday, citing leaked details of high-level ministerial discussions.

The Sydney Morning Herald said the National Security Committee has cleared the way for the investment, which should lead to a formal decision to sign up to the Chinese initiative when the full cabinet meets on Monday.

The newspaper said some government sources have suggested Finance Minister Mathias Cormann could sign up when he attends the Boao forum in China late next week, subject to cabinet approval, but others thought that timeframe was too soon.

Last Saturday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said a decision on whether to join the AIIB would be made soon.

Australia's decision on whether to become a founding member of the institution risks upsetting either key strategic allies the United States and Japan, or top trading partner China. ($1 = 1.3067 Australian dollars) (Reporting by Ian Chua; Editing by Kim Coghill)

Australia expected to sign up to China-backed bank on Monday- paper| Reuters
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Japan says could join China-backed AIIB if conditions met
TOKYO Thu Mar 19, 2015

(Reuters) - Japan could consider joining a China-led development bank if it could guarantee a credible mechanism for providing loans, Finance Minister Taro Aso said, the first time Tokyo has signaled it could be part of the institution led by its arch-rival.

Around 30 countries, including Britain and Germany, have decided to participate in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), while the United States, Japan's main ally, has urged countries to think twice before joining, citing worries about governance and environmental safeguards.

The AIIB could emerge as a rival to the Asian Development Bank, the Manila-based multilateral institution dominated by Japan and the United States, and the World Bank, some analysts have said.

Aso underscored the need for the China-backed bank to have the board of directors screen and approve individual cases in deciding provision of loans.

"We have been asking to ensure debt sustainability, taking into account its impact on environment and society," he told reporters after a cabinet meeting.

"We could (consider to join) if these issues are guaranteed. We'll give it careful consideration from diplomatic and economics viewpoints."

If the conditions were met "there could be a chance that we would go inside and discuss. But so far we have not heard any responses,” he added.

Japan says could join China-backed AIIB if conditions met| Reuters

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let's wait for Boao. must be interesting.
 
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China-Russia strategic and economic partnership is already well-beyond the confines of this AIIB.

We understand very well why they are unable to join -- as of yet. In the future, when things get better, China can easily make some arrangements to let Russia in the club.

Russia will always have a guest of honor status.

By the way, although the US publicly appears it does not pull any ropes, it in fact does try to dissuade Europeans from joining the AIIB.

Thank you to Unnamed Sweeper Monk at Chinese Defence Forum for the original link.

UPDATE 7-U.S. urges allies to think twice before joining China-led bank | Reuters
You have a very good command in English. :cheers:
 
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Japan and Australia are ignoring warnings from the US not to join China's new bank


TOKYO/SYDNEY, (Reuters) - Japan signaled cautious approval of the China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) on Friday and said for the first time that, if conditions were met, it could join the institution that the United States has warned against.

Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey said there was "a lot of merit" in the bank and the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper reported that Canberra could formally decide to sign up when the full cabinet meets on Monday.

Japan, Australia and the South Korea, all major U.S. allies, are the notable regional absentees from the AIIB. The United States, worried about China's growing diplomatic clout, has questioned whether the AIIB will have sufficient standards of governance and environmental and social safeguards.

But after Britain broke ranks with Western nations and said earlier this month that it would join the AIIB, other major EU members have followed suit.

Australia now appears close to joining, although no formal decision has been made, and South Korea may be as well.

Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso said Tokyo could consider joining the China-led bank if it could guarantee a credible mechanism for providing loans.

"We have been asking to ensure debt sustainability taking into account its impact on environment and society," he told reporters after a cabinet meeting.

"We could (consider to participate) if these issues are guaranteed. There could be a chance that we would go inside and discuss. But so far we have not heard any responses."

It was a surprising comment from Japan.

Although China and Japan, the world's second- and third-largest economies, have deep trade and business relations, their diplomatic ties are tense over a territorial dispute and they compete for influence across Asia.

The AIIB could emerge as a rival to the Asian Development Bank (ADB), the Manila-based regional financial institution that Japan dominates along with the United States. By custom, the ADB is headed by a former senior official from the Bank of Japan or the country's finance ministry.

BOJ Governor Haruhiko Kuroda, former ADB president and vice finance minister, responded cautiously when asked about the AIIB.

"There are huge needs, demands for infrastructure investment in Asia," he said at a news conference on Friday.

"On the other hand, the World Bank and ADB have been helping developing countries in Asia to improve infrastructure for the last 50 years," Kuroda said. "They have accumulated know-how and experience ... That may be the most I can say.”

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Australia's Hockey said no final decision had been made on Australia's involvement but the matter had been under careful consideration.

"More than 30 countries have already signed up. This is going to operate in our region, in our neighborhood," he told a radio station in Brisbane.

"There is a lot of merit in it, but we want to make sure there are proper governance procedures. That there's transparency, that no one country is able to control the entity."

The Sydney Morning Herald said Canberra could invest as much as A$3 billion ($2.3 billion) in the bank and that the National Security Committee has cleared the way for the investment.

South Korean government officials denied a newspaper report that Seoul had decided to join in exchange for a five percent stake in the AIIB and the position of deputy chief.

The finance ministry said in a statement South Korea will make a decision on whether to join the bank "through close consultation with major countries and after considering various factors such as economic advantages and disadvantages".

Hockey said joining the AIIB would not affect Australia's close relationship with the United States and also referred to the gains that Australian companies could reap.

"The United States understands that this is a bank that's going to be operating in our region. It's going to be using contractors in our region. We want Australian contractors involved, we want work for Australians out of this bank," he said.

"And because it's operating in our region, in our neighborhood, it is important that Australia fully understand and look at participating in this Bank."
 
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Australia expected to sign up to China-backed bank on Monday- paper
SYDNEY, March 20, Thu Mar 19, 2015

(Reuters) - Australia could invest as much as A$3 billion ($2.3 billion) to join the China-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), a local newspaper said on Friday, citing leaked details of high-level ministerial discussions.

The Sydney Morning Herald said the National Security Committee has cleared the way for the investment, which should lead to a formal decision to sign up to the Chinese initiative when the full cabinet meets on Monday.

The newspaper said some government sources have suggested Finance Minister Mathias Cormann could sign up when he attends the Boao forum in China late next week, subject to cabinet approval, but others thought that timeframe was too soon.

Last Saturday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said a decision on whether to join the AIIB would be made soon.

Australia's decision on whether to become a founding member of the institution risks upsetting either key strategic allies the United States and Japan, or top trading partner China. ($1 = 1.3067 Australian dollars) (Reporting by Ian Chua; Editing by Kim Coghill)

Australia expected to sign up to China-backed bank on Monday- paper| Reuters
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Japan says could join China-backed AIIB if conditions met
TOKYO Thu Mar 19, 2015

(Reuters) - Japan could consider joining a China-led development bank if it could guarantee a credible mechanism for providing loans, Finance Minister Taro Aso said, the first time Tokyo has signaled it could be part of the institution led by its arch-rival.

Around 30 countries, including Britain and Germany, have decided to participate in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), while the United States, Japan's main ally, has urged countries to think twice before joining, citing worries about governance and environmental safeguards.

The AIIB could emerge as a rival to the Asian Development Bank, the Manila-based multilateral institution dominated by Japan and the United States, and the World Bank, some analysts have said.

Aso underscored the need for the China-backed bank to have the board of directors screen and approve individual cases in deciding provision of loans.

"We have been asking to ensure debt sustainability, taking into account its impact on environment and society," he told reporters after a cabinet meeting.

"We could (consider to join) if these issues are guaranteed. We'll give it careful consideration from diplomatic and economics viewpoints."

If the conditions were met "there could be a chance that we would go inside and discuss. But so far we have not heard any responses,” he added.

Japan says could join China-backed AIIB if conditions met| Reuters

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let's wait for Boao. must be interesting.
It might be too interesting....
 
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It's getting more and more exciting towards the finale, i.e 31 March, 2015.

First, the media of those countries not joining, spin negative news about AIIB.

Then, they discovered they will lose more if they don't join.

The smell of money is too great to ignore, so they started ignoring the Americans.

Then UK broke ranks by joining. Next comes in quick succession Germany, France, Italy.

Then, the media starts spinning positive news about AIIB.

If you can't beat them, why not join them.

Now, behind the scene they are scrambling to join, but still put up a charade.

My prediction - all will join except US which is left looking very silly indeed.

Remember: money talks, money rules, nothing beats money.

China can sweeten the pie by putting more money into AIIB.

Next, China will be working on the BRICS Bank.
 
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It's getting more and more exciting towards the finale, i.e 31 March, 2015.

First, the media of those countries not joining, spin negative news about AIIB.

Then, they discovered they will lose more if they don't join.

The smell of money is too great to ignore, so they started ignoring the Americans.

Then UK broke ranks by joining. Next comes in quick succession Germany, France, Italy.

Then, the media starts spinning positive news about AIIB.

If you can't beat them, why not join them.

Now, behind the scene they are scrambling to join, but still put up a charade.

My prediction - all will join except US which is left looking very silly indeed.

Remember: money talks, money rules, nothing beats money.

China can sweeten the pie by putting more money into AIIB.

Next, China will be working on the BRICS Bank.
All except US? What's your prediction on Japan?
 
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All except US? What's your prediction on Japan?

@AndrewJin,

Reuters today reported that the Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso said, "Japan could consider joining a China-led development bank if it could guarantee a credible mechanism for providing loans" and other conditions are met.

This is the diplomatic way of saying, Japan will join but Japan won't want to be seen to be too eager (as it will be too upsetting to US).

Taro Aso is also the Deputy Prime Minister, what he says carries a lot of weight. I was surprised that this statement was not given by some junior minister or government official first (to soften the blow to the Americans).

You can see, Japan is preparing the 'groundwork' to join.

Japan will eventually join, among the last so as not to upset the Americans too much. They will wait for Australia and South Korea to join first. Japan would just lose out too much by not joining AIIB.

Another prediction: China has the economic power and capacity to ensure AIIB overtakes ADB in the near future. Most Asian countries are on China's side as they are not too happy with the IMF, World Bank and ADB.
 
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Could u make another prediction, when will you guys set up a Tim Tam factory in China? Too much Kraft here.
@AndrewJin,

Reuters today reported that the Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso said, "Japan could consider joining a China-led development bank if it could guarantee a credible mechanism for providing loans" and other conditions are met.

This is the diplomatic way of saying, Japan will join but Japan won't want to be seen to be too eager (as it will be too upsetting to US).

Taro Aso is also the Deputy Prime Minister, what he says carries a lot of weight. I was surprised that this statement was not given by some junior minister or government official first (to soften the blow to the Americans).

You can see, Japan is preparing the 'groundwork' to join.

Japan will eventually join, among the last so as not to upset the Americans too much. They will wait for Australia and South Korea to join first. Japan would just lose out too much by not joining AIIB.

Another prediction: China has the economic power and capacity to ensure AIIB overtakes ADB in the near future. Most Asian countries are on China's side as they are not too happy with the IMF, World Bank and ADB.
 
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China welcomes Switzerland to AIIB
Xinhua, March 20, 2015

China's Ministry of Finance said on Friday that the country welcomed Switzerland's decision to apply to join the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).

Switzerland will become a founding member on March 28 if other members approve, according to a statement on the ministry website.

Switzerland on Friday announced its application to join the bank as a prospective founding member and submitted its candidacy to China last week.

The AIIB will be an international financial institution providing support to infrastructure projects in Asia, and is expected to be established by the end of this year.

China's Finance Minister Lou Jiwei said on Friday that the AIIB has already had 27 prospective founding members. The application deadline is March 31.

Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Luxembourg have previously applied.

China welcomes Switzerland to AIIB-- China Development Gateway -- Sharing Information, Knowledge and Tools
 
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All except US? What's your prediction on Japan?

US "Isolated" As Key Ally Japan Considers Joining China-Led Bank

Taken from ZeroHedge

Just a week ago it appeared Washington had managed (for the time being at least) to convince the US’ closest allies to refrain from joining the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, a sinocentric institution aimed at promoting development across Asia that is meant to rival the US/Japanese-led ADB and begin a seismic shift away from the world’s traditionally US-dominated institutions such as the World Bank and the IMF. Then, much to the chagrin of Washington, the UK joined as a founding member calling it an “unrivaled opportunity.”

As we and many other observers correctly noted at the time, the move by Britain could well embolden other countries who had expressed an interest initially but been deterred by pressure from Washington to reconsider their bids for membership. In (very) short order, everyone from Germany to Australia to Luxembourg was suddenly ready to cast their lot with the Chinese despite US warnings that the bank won’t adopt the proper operational standards. As we said yesterday, the world is now wise to the fact that US criticism of the new venture is very likely nothing more than an attempt by The White House to undermine Chinese regional ambition:

...and that means in short order Australia and South Korea will likely be on board and at that point, the stigma the US has created around membership will have completely disappeared (if it hasn’t already), opening the door for other US “allies” to join despite the bank’s alleged “low” standards.

Now, it appears the last valuable friend the US has in the bid to keep China from undercutting the ADB is beginning to consider a bid to join up. Here’s more from Reuters:

Japan's foreign minister signaled cautious approval of the institution that the United States has warned against…

The opposition to the AIIB began crumbling after Britain said earlier this month that it would join the institution, saying it was in its national interest. France, Germany and Italy swiftly followed suit.

Australia now appears close to joining, although no formal decision has been made, and Beijing said Japan and South Korea were also considering the possibility. Asked about the three countries joining the bank, China's Foreign Ministry said it was "open" to it.

"They have all already expressed that they are contemplating the issue at hand," ministry spokesman Hong Lei told a daily briefing. "We are open to them making the relevant decision."

Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso said Tokyo could consider joining the China-led bank if it could guarantee a credible mechanism for providing loans.

Make no mistake, they’ll still be plenty of officials in Japan who will stick to the script and fight the proposal, but the fact that the country is openly considering it when relations with China are rocky at best and when Japan is so influential in what is pretty clearly a competing institution speaks volumes about the extent to which US hegemony is waning. For his part, PM Abe is still hanging onto the same tired rhetoric:

  • ABE: AIIB IS DIFFERENT TO IMF, WORLD BANK AND ADB
  • ABE: NEED TO CONSIDER AIIB QUESTION CAREFULLY

As for BoJ Gov. Kuroda, he was apparently too busy buying stocks to comment.

Via Bloomberg:

Asian Development Bank and World Bank have accumulated experience in helping Asia improve infrastructure, Bank of Japan Governor Haruhiko Kuroda said Friday, declining to comment on whether Japan should participate in a new China-led lender.

Kuroda said he couldn’t respond directly when asked whether Japan should join Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

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Thank you to JP Morgan at Chinese Defence for original post.
 
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