Europe will turn Anti Islam

[mourning sage]

You are a troll afghani....Have you not been deported from Pakistan? How many years your mother spent in Pakistan just before this comment? ...... Do you have any dignity and gratefulness for that?

He may be but you never know. Let's not judge people for who they are and who they're not. He has an opinion which we can argue on. Whatever his motives are will be exposed in a debate.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Had we not supported the grand daddy of daesh I.e. Taliban, we would have been in a perilous situation with the mighty USSR on one side and the not so mighty whining Indians.

Part I was when USSR still occupied Afghanistan and Part II is when USSR withdrew its troop. I support Mujahideens war again USSR. But not Part II after Russian withdrew and a new group called Talibans emerged.

 

[bdslph]

You're absolutely right! infact every country was full of sh*** before US democrazy see

perfect example , there will be surge in anti Islamic thing in EU the good people will have problem

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The Afghanistan liberation from Soviet accupation was good decision. That was 25 years ago when Russians withdrew. Let the Afghans fight among themselves why should we interfere. I see no logic to support Talibans.

There are two issues here. Jihadism and should we support Taliban. Yes, maybe we ought to review support for Taliban. Yes, maybe case can be made for stopping support to Taliban. However the jihadi problem is above and beyond the Taliban issue. What is happening in Europe has no bearing on our support for Taliban. If we ceased or in fact went to war against Afghan Taliban the events in France would still happen. These are rooted in Middle East and have absolutely no feed on Af-Pak dynamics.

The Afghan Jihad brought industrial scale jihadism to Af-Pak region. The invasion of Iraq and toppling of Iraq has given steroid injection to the jihadi cause in Middle East. The day Saddam was toppled was the day ISIL was born,

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

He may be but you never know. Let's not judge people for who they are and who they're not. He has an opinion which we can argue on. Whatever his motives are will be exposed in a debate.

So any Pakistani that opposes Pakistan's support of Talibans is an Afghani ? Hmmm..... so thats the new defination of Pakistani !

There are two issues here. Jihadism and should we support Taliban. Yes, maybe we ought to review support for Taliban. Yes, maybe case can be made for stopping support to Taliban. However the jihadi problem and above and beyond the Taliban. what is happening in Europe has no bearing on our support for Taliban. If we ceased or in fact went to war against Afghan Taliban the events in France would still happen. These arte rooted in Middle East and have absolutely no feed on Af-Pak dynamics.

The Afghan Jihad brought indusyrial scale jihadism to Af-Pak region. The invasion of Iraq and toppling of Iraq has given steroi injection to the jihadi cause in Middle East. The day Saddam was toppled was the day ISIL was born,

Agreed. We have no moral or religious argument to support Talibans. That has militarized our country and increased terrorism. Sometime you have to rethink and do what is best for Islam and Pakistan. Many Pakistanis and Muslims live in Canada, US and UK and we are daily insulted by the acts of Talibans, AL Qaeeda and Daesh. These Generals sittting in HQ are like frogs in the well and they don't realise the world wide implications of their actions.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Part I was when USSR still occupied Afghanistan and Part II is when USSR withdrew its troop. I support Mujahideens war again USSR. But not Part II after Russian withdrew and a new group called Talibans emerged.

Cause and effect. Part 1 had direct and determinant effect on part 2. If for sake of argument had the West and Pakistan NOT supported Mojihadeen against Soviets the Afghan left leaning government would still be in charge. The Taliban were synthesized from the Mojihadeen, Mullah Omar cut his teeth in Afghan jihad as did most of his commanders.

There is causal relation between P1 and P2 that you cannot ignore. The collapse of Afghan state because of Part 1 created a vacuam in 1990s which allowed a incarnation of the jihadi forces bred in 1980s into the Taliban. To put it bluntly if Part 1 had not happened there would have been no Part 2.

With benefit of hindsight I think Pakistan should have joined the Russians in 1979 that way today you would have had a secular socialist republic in Afghanistan today.

And on the question of whether we should revist Pakistan's decision in supporting Taliban I think we need to open another thread and have good discussion by looking at the pros and cons.

 

[DesiGuy]

Lets hope common sense prevails and europe takes care of its own people and one way is to send back islamic religious nutcases back to middle east.

 

[monitor]

Islam is religion of peace some Muslim wrong doing won't change the fact. How many people this small group have killed from 2001 to 2015 compare to west in name of implementing democracy or regime change or destroying terrorist. In fact for the turmoil in middle east Afghanistan is the results of western interfere.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Cause and effect. Part 1 had direct and determinant effect on part 2. If for sake of argument had the West and Pakistan NOT supported Mojihadeen against Soviets the Afghan left leaning government would still be in charge. The Taliban were synthesized from the Mojihadeen, Mullah Omar cut his teeth in Afghan jihad as did most of his commanders.

There is causal relation between P1 and P2 that you cannot ignore. The collapse of Afghan state because of Part 1 created a vacuam in 1990s which allowed a incarnation of the jihadi forces bred in 1980s into the Taliban. To put it bluntly if Part 1 had not happened there would have been no Part 2.

With benefit of hindsight I think Pakistan should have joined the Russians in 1979 that way today you would have had a secular socialist republic in Afghanistan today.

And on the question of whether we should revist Pakistan's decision in supporting Taliban I think we need to open another thread and have good discussion by looking at the pros and cons.

Good points !

 

[Soulspeek]

Wow! Pakistanis are really good at making conspiracy theories out of thin air. When whole world is united with France, Pakistanis are seeking justification of the attacks and coming up with shitty logic like these people bombed innocent muslims too!

Sir, tell me, who were the west bombing? Certainly not office goers n farmers. The went there to bomb because they were forced to do so by terrorists breeding there and causing mayhem worldwide.

Finally, we can conclude that the CIA and Mossad backed ISIS is in grief danger after Russian attacks on its installations, for an excuse what CIA has executed is out of bloody imagination. They knew that the entire US citizens are quite educated now about the false flag and they will treat another incident had their been one as a false flag too. So why not execute a similar one in the likes of 9/11 and fulfill our dreams. Thanks to the people like Alex Jones, Ken O keef and Jeremy Scahill who exposed CIA and its filthy operations around the world. We all knew that the CIA and Mossad is backing up ISIS but french DGSE would also be involved in this whole war games I never had thought of that. Stop blaming Muslims for your own wrong doings, we condemn any kind of attacks on Civilians no matter even if it occurs in Israel.
These attacks will not only let France to bring in more harsh laws against Refugees by bypassing all the legislations of UN but it will also give a hope to the justification of Israel killing innocent Palestinians. I have never seen a double standards on a massive scale anywhere more than in western world. When there was a similar attack in Lebanon I haven't found a single one on this forum who was in such a grief that he skipped his 3 meals. Though that attack was executed by the same group called bloody ISIS. Why? Because Lebanon is not bloody important, their People don't exists, only animals live there. And also their is no Eiffel tower, neither Lebanon is as considered as a Christians Country. People are changing their DP's to France flag, but I have not seen a single sole who has changed his or her DP into a Lebanon Flag. This is Power for you, the more Powerful you are the more People will follow you despite of their religion, Nationality and Race differences.

 

[C130]

You're absolutely right! infact every country was full of sh*** before US democrazy see

that is terrible comparisons l



let's just say that some countries/regions aren't meant to flourish under so called American democracy.

regions like the Middle East,South America, Eastern Europe, and South East Asia can't implement and sustain democracy!! why?? is it race,culture,social-economics??


the answer we'll never know is if the insurgency never happened after the fall of Saddam would Iraq of lead to a failed state/democracy?? it's kinda hard for democracy to work when you got terrorists blowing themselves up to cause chaos and instability.

or was it better to have Saddam? who used all kinds of inhumane practices to keep everyone in check??

but as for europe will turn anti-islam, I believe even if it does it's too late now.
Europe is snowballing towards becoming an Eurabia.

and there is pretty much nothing Europeans can do to stop it.

 

[Musafir117]

The Afghanistan liberation from Soviet accupation was good decision. That was 25 years ago when Russians withdrew. Let the Afghans fight among themselves why should we interfere. I see no logic to support Talibans.

The logic was to save our border genius Takiban was much better choice rather than northern alliance was backed by India and others, now they NA rulling capital and are pets of India.

Wow! Pakistanis are really good at making conspiracy theories out of thin air. When whole world is united with France, Pakistanis are seeking justification of the attacks and coming up with shitty logic like these people bombed innocent muslims too!

Sir, tell me, who were the west bombing? Certainly not office goers n farmers. The went there to bomb because they were forced to do so by terrorists breeding there and causing mayhem worldwide.

When you Sxit you clean your axx be it use paper or wash it, doesn't you wash or clean your hand after that?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Wow! Pakistanis are really good at making conspiracy theories out of thin air. When whole world is united with France, Pakistanis are seeking justification of the attacks and coming up with shitty logic like these people bombed innocent muslims too!

Sir, tell me, who were the west bombing? Certainly not office goers n farmers. The went there to bomb because they were forced to do so by terrorists breeding there and causing mayhem worldwide.

I know being slave is almost ingrained in your DNA. That has been inbred over thousand years of India being humped by every invader ( mostly Muslim ) from the West but please stop trying to suck-tit the French tragedy for your own score. Please.

Most Pakistani have wholeheartedly shown sympathy with the French people. So do me a favour drop this because trust me Madam Bardot is not going to let you suckle her because your trying draw mileage out of this terrible disaster that all sane people rightly condemn.

 

[Yazp]

Cause and effect. Part 1 had direct and determinant effect on part 2. If for sake of argument had the West and Pakistan NOT supported Mojihadeen against Soviets the Afghan left leaning government would still be in charge. The Taliban were synthesized from the Mojihadeen, Mullah Omar cut his teeth in Afghan jihad as did most of his commanders.

There is causal relation between P1 and P2 that you cannot ignore. The collapse of Afghan state because of Part 1 created a vacuam in 1990s which allowed a incarnation of the jihadi forces bred in 1980s into the Taliban. To put it bluntly if Part 1 had not happened there would have been no Part 2.

With benefit of hindsight I think Pakistan should have joined the Russians in 1979 that way today you would have had a secular socialist republic in Afghanistan today.

And on the question of whether we should revist Pakistan's decision in supporting Taliban I think we need to open another thread and have good discussion by looking at the pros and cons.

Well said.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

sustain democracy.

That's very true. These regions have not yet evolved to the point where they can sustain functioning democracies. They will over time. For example I think Iran is now ready for real democracy. It has reached the level of economic, social maturity and post the Mulah regime bright and functioning democracy awaits that country.

@C130 And please don't think I am trying to dump all blame on America in some cheap attempt at cleansing blame on others. The truth is all countries did what they thought was best then and today we are where we are. The reality is for USA and better part of the world this was indeed the right decision. Please refer to my quote of Brzenski where he clearly states he has no regrets even if that lead to some "stiired up Moslems".

The reality is Afghan Jihad hastened the collapse Soviet Union and freedom for Eastern Europe. Given that in 1980s ( you probably were a young pup then or still upstairs ) we lived under constant threat of Soviet nuclear attack with million men on the Iron curtain ( NATO v Warsaw Pact ) waiting to unleash hell onm each other what we have today is just kindergarten stuff.