Europe must brake mounting nuclear arms race: Germany

[Azadkashmir]

The only thing Russian nukes are good for is to counter balance USA.

Other than that it's a real threat to everyone, just a matter of time before China and India challenges Russia for land.

Russia has too much land, and others will want some of that land in the future.



I agree, they might "disarm" in public but keep making more in secret.




Yes EU should have it's own nukes.

USA today might seem ok, but what if some lunatic comes to power in the US like hitler?

Then EU must do as US tells them to.

It's always good with multiple super powers balancing eachother.

Just wish we didn't have nukes as it will be the end of the planet.

Just look at Turkey US relations, we are supposed to be allies. Turkey helped the US in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Korean war and we gave them access to bases, host their radar and host US nukes in Turkey.

What did we get from this ally in return?

CIA doing multiple coups or coup attempts in Turkey and most recently arming our terrorist enemy in North Syria.

Who needs enemies when you have friends like the US?

Already US has showed it can't be trusted as an ally.

We as Turkey did our part, we help the US we even died in their wars. In return they attack us indirectly using terrorists and CIA.

Russia has been a good friend through all of this, so perhaps Russia is changing?




They will probably launch nukes from Turkey near the Bulgarian border and blame the EU for it haha



Richer European countries have civilian nuclear bunkers too.



You got it all twisted.

Europe cares more for the safety of it's citizens than other countries.

They invest a lot in war sirens and underground bunkers, they even test these on a regular basis.

Just google "nuclear bunker in europe"...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tack-nato-baltic-ukraine-norway-a7642686.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/185...rich-in-case-of-nuclear-war-opens-in-germany/

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/793918/uk-nuclear-bunkers-location

you got it twisted putin has shown alot of concern for his citizens but Europe leaders doesn't give to fcuks when the time comes they will be safe underground bunkers while everyone else is left to die.

 

[HannibalBarca]

you got it twisted putin has shown alot of concern for his citizens but Europe leaders doesn't give to fcuks when the time comes they will be safe underground bunkers while everyone else is left to die.

EU has a pop of 500mil... with every advance industry available in every field...
When times of nuclear strike happen... EU will retaliate... so whatever those in power will hide or not... All of Europe, with RU included will be a no man's land... whatever the side.

 

[Azadkashmir]

EU has a pop of 500mil... with every advance industry available in every field...
When times of nuclear strike happen... EU will retaliate... so whatever those in power will hide or not... All of Europe, with RU included will be a no man's land... whatever the side.

Russian has dead hand weapon, you can wipe out people but the automatic nuke system kicks in.
Russian also have bases and submarines in place. I bet you behind the scenes Russia got much more exotic weapons. Russians put tremendous amount of resources and people management to build up their war arsenal since soviet times. Putin is clever he made sure he has allies and also made friend with previous trouble neighbor like Chechen. He has Russian Jews doing his dirty work too in USA to transfer secrets and their are many top programmers in israel are of Russian descent. He has dirt on many leaders. What happened in Ukraine he shut it down western world was sent home and in Georgia too.

Sorry i believe this is Russian era. it great to have connection and oligarchs to do your bidding whether its military, political , economical. just don't steal and give to Rothschild.

 

[TurkeyForever]

you got it twisted putin has shown alot of concern for his citizens but Europe leaders doesn't give to fcuks when the time comes they will be safe underground bunkers while everyone else is left to die.

I doubt that, majority is poor in Russia and government doesn't care about them, the money goes to Putin and friends not the public.

While in the west they have well fare systems in place and make sure not a single citizen goes hungry or without a home.

You can say what you want about Europeans, but they deserve thumbs up for taking care of the needy.

In Turkey if you are poor for instance, the government will help very little, but only after asking ALL your neighbours and relatives about your financial situation. They shame you out, while in richer European countries they respect human dignity.

Health care is a real human need, in richer Europe everyone gets free healthcare, you need surgery no problem it's FREE.

In many other countries the so called "free" health care is very limited, if you need serious surgery it will cost you a lot so many people die.

Cancer is one of those things, it requires expensive and ongoing medication and treatments, if you live in a poorer country and you are poor, then you have no choice but to die from cancer.

You might be doing ok today financially, but what about your kids?

What if your children end up in a mess financially, no job and no home.

That is the beauty of richer europe, your kids and their kids get a free education, your kids are guaranteed to have food to survive and a place to live.

If you have kids in russia and they end up homeless they will go hungry and suffer.

 

[Azadkashmir]

I doubt that, majority is poor in Russia and government doesn't care about them, the money goes to Putin and friends not the public.

While in the west they have well fare systems in place and make sure not a single citizen goes hungry or without a home.

You can say what you want about Europeans, but they deserve thumbs up for taking care of the needy.

In Turkey if you are poor for instance, the government will help very little, but only after asking ALL your neighbours and relatives about your financial situation. They shame you out, while in richer European countries they respect human dignity.

Health care is a real human need, in richer Europe everyone gets free healthcare, you need surgery no problem it's FREE.

In many other countries the so called "free" health care is very limited, if you need serious surgery it will cost you a lot so many people die.

Cancer is one of those things, it requires expensive and ongoing medication and treatments, if you live in a poorer country and you are poor, then you have no choice but to die from cancer.

You might be doing ok today financially, but what about your kids?

What if your children end up in a mess financially, no job and no home.

That is the beauty of richer europe, your kids and their kids get a free education, your kids are guaranteed to have food to survive and a place to live.

If you have kids in russia and they end up homeless they will go hungry and suffer.

it all make belief the only thing that is real social security/trauma surgery. Education is fraud you get degree and get in debt and worthless. Nowaday only rich go to uni. Most jobs are gone to china they show London and everyone thinks that whole of England is very rich. Their are people sleeping on the street, but police move them when they make documentaries. healthcare is bollocks long waiting lines you have to beg the doctor to be seen or further consultation They only care about money. Food is not healthy and only rich can afford best organic food but for average food eater cancer gone up and diabetes no nutritious value.

But trauma surgery that understandable that is good so if you fall or have accident they can do something. Their are two class the rich privilege and other low class.

i have been abroad people my age are a lot better health wise and happier. people in England have to work work then they get to their pension scheme but they are told not yet work longer who cares if you ill work work for few years more. When your young system is great but as you get older it drains you. I speak to elder folks they're struggling and very unhappy. I know someone that worked hard for many years yet they don't own nothing system robs taxes the shit out of you/utility bills are ridiculous, car insurance damn. In England having a rest is luxury.

So what is good about England, it has Strong law and authority you know justice system although at time can be bias but that another case. It has a education system whether it real education or not but they have it free up to college. Roads here built properly and traffic lights do work.
They started to built good gyms nowadays since its a trend to keep fit.
Post services work and things don't get stolen unlike in pak. You can buy things online and you know you will receive it. 24 hour electricity /internet i don't know bout pak used to load shedding. People wait in the que in pak it vip culture.

 

[TurkeyForever]

it all make belief the only thing that is real social security/trauma surgery. Education is fraud you get degree and get in debt and worthless. Nowaday only rich go to uni. Most jobs are gone to china they show London and everyone thinks that whole of England is very rich. Their are people sleeping on the street, but police move them when they make documentaries. healthcare is bollocks long waiting lines you have to beg the doctor to be seen or further consultation They only care about money. Food is not healthy and only rich can afford best organic food but for average food eater cancer gone up and diabetes no nutritious value.

But trauma surgery that understandable that is good so if you fall or have accident they can do something. Their are two class the rich privilege and other low class.

i have been abroad people my age are a lot better health wise and happier. people in England have to work work then they get to their pension scheme but they are told not yet work longer who cares if you ill work work for few years more. When your young system is great but as you get older it drains you. I speak to elder folks they're struggling and very unhappy. I know someone that worked hard for many years yet they don't own nothing system robs taxes the shit out of you/utility bills are ridiculous, car insurance damn. In England having a rest is luxury.

So what is good about England, it has Strong law and authority you know justice system although at time can be bias but that another case. It has a education system whether it real education or not but they have it free up to college. Roads here built properly and traffic lights do work.
They started to built good gyms nowadays since its a trend to keep fit.
Post services work and things don't get stolen unlike in pak. You can buy things online and you know you will receive it. 24 hour electricity /internet i don't know bout pak used to load shedding. People wait in the que in pak it vip culture.

Oh it seems you are focusing on the UK, I'm more focused on countries like Norway.

You said "Nowaday only rich go to uni" that isn't the case at all in richer european countries, from what I understand you can go to uni for free and even get paid for it even if you are 50+ years old.

Sounds like UK is becoming poor from what you have said.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

The only thing Russian nukes are good for is to counter balance USA.

Other than that it's a real threat to everyone, just a matter of time before China and India challenges Russia for land.

Russia has too much land, and others will want some of that land in the future.



I agree, they might "disarm" in public but keep making more in secret.




Yes EU should have it's own nukes.

USA today might seem ok, but what if some lunatic comes to power in the US like hitler?

Then EU must do as US tells them to.

It's always good with multiple super powers balancing eachother.

Just wish we didn't have nukes as it will be the end of the planet.

Just look at Turkey US relations, we are supposed to be allies. Turkey helped the US in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Korean war and we gave them access to bases, host their radar and host US nukes in Turkey.

What did we get from this ally in return?

CIA doing multiple coups or coup attempts in Turkey and most recently arming our terrorist enemy in North Syria.

Who needs enemies when you have friends like the US?

Already US has showed it can't be trusted as an ally.

We as Turkey did our part, we help the US we even died in their wars. In return they attack us indirectly using terrorists and CIA.

Russia has been a good friend through all of this, so perhaps Russia is changing?




They will probably launch nukes from Turkey near the Bulgarian border and blame the EU for it haha



Richer European countries have civilian nuclear bunkers too.



You got it all twisted.

Europe cares more for the safety of it's citizens than other countries.

They invest a lot in war sirens and underground bunkers, they even test these on a regular basis.

Just google "nuclear bunker in europe"...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tack-nato-baltic-ukraine-norway-a7642686.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/185...rich-in-case-of-nuclear-war-opens-in-germany/

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/793918/uk-nuclear-bunkers-location

Nuclear weapons are not evil in itself. They are a "sword" given by the universe. Its the hand that wields them that uses it for evil. Currently nuclear weapons are the only chance we have to prevent a large asteroid from hitting earth, the only option we have to save our species and planet from the fate of the dinosaurs.

Im against destruction of nuclear weapons. We need them and must keep them but carry the mantle of responsibility.

As for Germany, they are funny, play over moralistic but own th worlds largest stockpile of Plutonium. 2000 tons, which can be transformed into even the most powerful nukes within just days. The UK offered Germany to get rid of it but Germany declined . Merkel is not dumb. She plays two faces like always. She bets on nuclear latency. That means she can blame nuclear powers and get praised from peace activists, all while she has the capability to build more than 15.000 nukes of the hiroshima type or up to 500 Tzar bombs. Its same as her refugee politics. She made a mistake in 2015 but refused to ever admitt her mistake, to keep her nice face. Meanwhile she pays Turkey and Macedonia to hold the Balkan closed, so the ugly pictures erupt there.

In public she critisized Italy for our Libya deal as being "inhumane" but her interior minister in secret talks praises it and told our interior minister to arrest NGO and push even harder. She is a twofaced Snake.