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Eurofighter not out of contest, says David Cameron​

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British Prime Minister David Cameron on Wednesday said in the House of Commons that Eurofighter was not out of contention for the Indian Air Force fighter deal.

“I am very disappointed by what has happened in India,” Cameron said in reply to a question by Labour MP Mark Hendrick, who during the weekly Question Time pulled up the coalition government on the UK’s failure to land a contract from India for the Typhoon fighter jet.

However, Cameron said that the Eurofighter was still in the contention. “Eurofighter is not out of the contest yet and we need to reengage as hard as we can to make sure that we get the best deal for all those workers making Eurofighters in Britain.”

He dismissed the criticism that he had not helped the Eurofighter, which is built by a four-nation consortium of Germany, UK, Italy and Spain, to land the contract.

“All European leaders are actually backing the Eurofighter project. It’s a German project, it’s a Spanish project, it’s an Italian project, it’s a British project and that’s how it should be.”

Labour MP Alison Seabeck raised the Typhoon issue again and asked Mr Cameron how many times he had spoken to the Indian Prime Minister about the bid. Cameron said he had raised the issue repeatedly.

“I raised the issue with the Indian Prime Minister repeatedly during my visit to India and indeed at the G20 at Cannes,” he said.

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Eurofighter may revise bid MoD declines comment: Gerald Howarth​

Gerald Howarth, the United Kingdom’s minister for international security strategy, who comes to India days after French company, Dassault, emerged as the lowest bidder in the Rs 73,818.53-98,426.95 crore ($15-20 billion) Indian medium fighter competition, tells Ajai Shukla that “disappointed” Eurofighter will put in a fresh bid that would be a “winning financial proposal”. Edited excerpts:

The British media has slammed India’s choice of the French Rafale over the Eurofighter Typhoon. Does London feel hard done by?
We would be less than human if we were not disappointed. We believe the Typhoon is the best aircraft, which already has service in six countries. No overseas customer has bought the Rafale so far.

I understand that Rafale was L-1 (the lowest bidder) only on price (sic). If the decision turned only on price, Cassidian (the military arm of EADS) will put in a revised price offer. The four nations (UK, Germany, Italy and Spain) can produce a winning financial proposal and I fully expect that Cassidian will be doing that.



Would this happen soon?
The details of the fresh price proposal are being developed as we speak, and a final decision will soon be taken.

Have you asked New Delhi for permission to bid afresh?
As our prime minister said in the House of Commons last week, we shall continue to present the case for the Typhoon. We believe that getting the best value for money would be in the best interests of the government of India. But it is not for us to suggest what New Delhi should do. (Note: Asked whether a fresh Cassidian bid would be accepted, the ministry of defence declined to comment)

The French president says British defence manufacturing is dead?
It is interesting that he should say that when we have exported the Typhoon to two countries already, Saudi Arabia and Austria. Now Oman has issued an RfP (enquiry) and we believe they would soon purchase the Typhoon. But France has been unable to persuade anybody to buy their aircraft, which we believe was rejected here two years ago.

The UK is the second-largest defence exporter, has a vibrant aerospace industry, and a world-class automotive industry. So the (French) president’s remarks were inaccurate. We know he is pretty desperate, given his elections this spring. We think his statement is an example of Gallic hyperbole.

Will Britain’s defence industry be hit hard by India’s Rafale decision?
Had India selected the Typhoon as L-1, it would have had a favourable impact on the defence industry in the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain. But we are already working on substantial overseas orders. Typhoon is a continuing programme, whereas the French have slowed down production since their only customer was the French Air Force.

But buyers all across Europe are cutting down on defence purchases… including the Typhoon.

The Eurofighter partners are all contractually bound (to buy the Typhoon), but we are all reviewing our positions in the light of the economic circumstances and the crisis in the euro zone.

So are jobs in the UK at stake here?

Not immediately, no! We have a pretty full order book currently. But we always welcome new business. It is also fair to say that the four nations also see this as an opportunity for a strategic partnership with India. And… (by buying the Typhoon) at a stroke, you would have access to the supply chain of four countries, not one.

Other than the Hawk, the UK has not had many recent successes in India.

That is precisely what our trade mission is about. In fact, our relationship goes well beyond the Hawk. The Agusta Westland AW101 helicopter is being built in the UK (for the IAF’s VIP squadron). Substantial parts of the M777 ultra-light howitzer, including the titanium, high-technology components, are made in Barrow, in the UK. A smaller company, Sonardyne, supplies India with sonar surveillance equipment. And Cobham has been in India for long, supplying aircraft weapons carriage equipment and communications equipment.

What is the purpose of your visit with this large British delegation?
We have three objectives. First, to show India’s corporate sector the range and depth of experience in British defence and security industry; second, to identify the evolving Indian market; and third, to form enduring partnership with Indian companies.

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I was praying about it. In my opinion its only going to bring good news to us.

1. Price will be lesser
2. TOT will be higher then expected earlier
3. Will get help & Support on other indigenous items i.e. Radars, Engine, UAV e.t.c

I would not care much about our image at international arena, its time to maximize our benefit and help our local industries.

Let the war begin....

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That's a great news. Cut down the price in half, give us complete TOT on engine and transfer 50% manufacturing base to India. Will sign the deal.

2 New in 1 thread...Double Thanks

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Everyone knows Rafale is L1 and before the negotiations are over, EFT doesn't stand a chance. I wonder why doesn't MoD summarily make every thing clear ?

IMO, IAF will end up buying those 80+fighters from EADS. Just a wild guess looking at the things happening.
 
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Nope not gonna work.Too much risk in buying Typhoon.If we buy it we will experience a real typhoon from 4 countries.Its gonna take too long
 
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we should stand by our selection and try to use this opportunity to get the best out of rafale..
 
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Let's see what greedy banya do now

Maybe the greedy baniya will negotiate for further price cuts, full ToT, partnership in Eurofighter project and end up buying 80 EFTs along with 126 Rafales.

With greedy baniyas around, you should be afraid, very Afraid.
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Maybe the greedy baniya will negotiate for further price cuts, full ToT, partnership in Eurofighter project and end up buying 80 EFTs along with 126 Rafales.

With greedy baniyas around, you should be afraid, very Afraid.
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I have been saying this for so long, lets get 126 rafale and 80 EFT, parallel delivery of MMRCA....yeah there will be logistical problem but you will be getting two best 4.5 gen ac and icing will be the strengthening of ties with 5 european nations....
 
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I have been saying this for so long, lets get 126 rafale and 80 EFT, parallel delivery of MMRCA....yeah there will be logistical problem but you will be getting two best 4.5 gen ac and icing will be the strengthening of ties with 5 european nations....

I'd have gone for F-18 SHs if i had to go for additional fighters, given that we have a large number of ground attack aircrafts to retire. (Jaguar, Mig-27s)
 
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No splitting the order. Stay with the same aircraft. You don't need two aircrafts for doing the same thing. We already have, Su30MKis, Mig29, Mirage, Jaguar, Mig27 etc. It doesn't make sense.


Plus if you're going to like something for the IAF, you're most probably going to like it in the Navy. So go with the same aircraft.

Rafale is the current choice and is the obvious choice for the IN MMRCA as well.
 
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lol.. we need a Eurofighter whine thread at this rate. Too many whines everyday from the brits.

Eurofighter is not coming to India! Rafale has just opened a new Indian site and categorically stated-


Cooperation & independance

The RAFALE program is entirely driven and fully mastered by one single deciding country, France, which has deliberately taken the political choice to cooperate with India in the Defence strategic field with long term perspectives.

In this frame, RAFALE International proposes a wide and complete technological and industrial cooperation package. This package addresses software as well as hardware, including deliveries of all necessary tools and source codes, without any restrictions whatsoever, aimed at providing India with full capacity to produce, to maintain and to continuously improve the aircraft in the country.

RAFALE International has already obtained all full authorizations of the French Government (as required by French Law) to sell and to export to India the most recent version of the combat aircraft, and, in the same way, to transfer to India the corresponding (even most sensitive) technologies, as well as the production license with no particular limitations.

RAFALE International therefore is entirely in a position to honour its strong and firm commitment, without having to ask for any additional clearance, either within France or from any third party.

Cooperation & independance

The chances of the Rafale-deal breaking down is 1 in 20 billion now. Rafale knows it has hit the jackpot and they are not stupid to let it go just because Cameroon is being a sore loser.

And it makes even lesser sense to go in for 80 additional aircraft of another kind. India is not a charity which goes around pleasing everyone. The 80 additional aircraft is 90% gonna be rafale, you can write it down! There is a small chance of it being Mig-35/29(already in IAF service so no new platform) because the cost of rafale production may skyrocket given the HAL's Su-30MKI record for MASSIVELY MASSIVE cost overruns. So it's either gonna be Rafale or MiG-35 and nothing more. The IN order is uncertain because the 3rd larger carrier is gonna make it's debut only after 2025. So by that time IN may be seeking Pak-Fa.
 
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