EU Escalates China Tensions With Probe to Ward Off Cheap EVs

[Hamartia Antidote]

One is 15% and another 25% and we are not allowed to even build cars in USA.

LOL! That's simply not true. That's Chinese Eastern media selling you lies.

BYD already builds EV buses. Why would cars be any different?

BUS 2 - Technological Innovations for a Better Life | BYD USA

en.byd.com

Since opening the plant in 2014, BYD has become the largest battery electric bus manufacturer in North America, with nearly 1,000 employees. In all, BYD has invested more than $250 million in North America, and now has more than 50 municipal transit agency, university, airport, federal and other commercial and private-sector bus customers.

The new battery plant we were building with Ford is gonna get torpedoed. So much for free trade eh?

It hasn't been torpedoed yet

You can't even legally sell Huawei phones In US.

Again more Chinese Eastern media lies.

You can't bundle it with the telcos which is how most Americans change phones.

Telecoms aren't bundling most brands...that isn't a good excuse to say they are just excluding Huawei

Let's look for Sony or Nokia...

AT&T

Buy Cell Phones, Smartphones & Mobile Phones | AT&T Wireless

Shop our selection of cell phones from your favorite brands like Apple, Google, Samsung, and Motorola. Get the new iPhone 15 now at AT&T.

www.att.com

hmm...nope

Verizon

Cell Phones: Shop the Top Smartphones Online | Verizon

Whether you're a mobile-tech expert, novice or somewhere in between, Verizon has a wide selection of smartphones. Find the perfect smartphone for you.

www.verizon.com

Ok, Nokia is in this list

Sprint/T-Mobile

https://www.sprint.com/en/shop/cell-phones.html

nope!

But somehow you think Huawei is the special case??? Why?

 

[Han Patriot]

LOL! That's simply not true. That's Chinese Eastern media selling you lies.

BYD already builds EV buses. Why would cars be any different?

BUS 2 - Technological Innovations for a Better Life | BYD USA

en.byd.com

It hasn't been torpedoed yet



Again more Chinese Eastern media lies.


Telecoms aren't bundling most brands...that isn't a good excuse to say they are just excluding Huawei

Let's look for Sony or Nokia...

AT&T

Buy Cell Phones, Smartphones & Mobile Phones | AT&T Wireless

Shop our selection of cell phones from your favorite brands like Apple, Google, Samsung, and Motorola. Get the new iPhone 15 now at AT&T.

www.att.com

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hmm...nope

Verizon

Cell Phones: Shop the Top Smartphones Online | Verizon

Whether you're a mobile-tech expert, novice or somewhere in between, Verizon has a wide selection of smartphones. Find the perfect smartphone for you.

www.verizon.com

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Ok, Nokia is in this list

Sprint/T-Mobile

https://www.sprint.com/en/shop/cell-phones.html

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nope!

But somehow you think Huawei is the special case??? Why?

ZTE used to be bundled with telcos until US ban and Huawei overtook Apple to be the largest cellphone supplier in 2019 right before the sanctions. They were about to expand in US when Trump did that.

Just google, Congress will introduce a bill to limit Chinese investment. The BYD bus factory cannot bid for new projects because it Is Chinese. You can easily google it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/17/electric-buses-federal-funding/

U.S. bans new Huawei, ZTE equipment sales, citing national security risk

The Biden administration has banned approvals of new telecommunications equipment from China's Huawei Technologies and ZTE because they pose "an unacceptable risk" to U.S. national security.

www.reuters.com

Telcos can't buy any telecom equipment including cellphones. How the heck can they even bundle with a plan?

Congress probes Ford's big battery deal with China's CATL | TechCrunch

The probe centers on Ford's efforts to put CATL's battery cell technology to use at an upcoming, $3.5 billion battery cell plant in Michigan.

www.google.com

Yup keep being a cheerleader. Lolol. Pretty obvious US can't compete and ia afraid of us.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Huawei overtook Apple to be the largest cellphone supplier in 2019 right before the sanctions.

It may have overtaken Apple but Samsung was still #1 (as usual).

Just google, Congress will introduce a bill to limit Chinese investment.

ok, but what does that have to do with the state of Huawei or EV's right now?
Bills mean nothing...laws mean everything.

The BYD bus factory cannot bid for new projects because it Is Chinese. You can easily google it.

You mean they can't bid on federally funded transit projects.
Since when has any foreign company been allowed to bid on any of China's central government transit projects in the last 10 years? Yeah right!

Even if they did win somehow China would force then to create a joint venture with TOT.

 

[StraightEdge]

Well even the EU folks are even saying this won't be easy.

This is an easy issue to resolve actually for China - an "investigation" on dumping and subsidies by European governments for their auto industry and Airbus is enough.
Even the proof was provided by UK during Brexit debate.

https://centreforbrexitpolicy.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Coincidence-Is-Not-Causation-Why-Brexit-is-Not-the-Cause-of-Lower-Goods-Exports-to-the-EU.pdf

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In 2017, Germany’s Handelsblatt reported – on the basis of German Government data – that German carmakers had received more than €115 billion of public
money in the preceding decade. Handelsblatt. Germany’s pampered car industry. May 2017.

And Airbus subsidies are well know, even US won a case against Airbus

U.S. Wins $7.5 Billion Award in Airbus Subsidies Case

Largest Ever WTO Award Paves the Way for U.S. Countermeasures

ustr.gov

 

[_killuminati_]

Chinese cars are also selling in India, what's your point?

The point is pretty simple if you employ a little common sense. If EU restricts Chinese cars, the status quo remains and, at most, a potential is lost. But if China restricts EU cars, EU manufacturers suffer tremendous losses from existing sales. Like the article says, "33% of BMW AG profits come from China alone"; cut that out and you'll have more unemployment in your already tanking economy. China, on the other hand, can use its domestic companies to fill the gap left by EU, just as it is doing right now with semiconductors. Then that market will be lost indefinitely.

 

[_killuminati_]

4 Engine reliability is close to Japanese engines

EV don't have an engine.

 

[Hack-Hook]

LOL! That's simply not true. That's Chinese Eastern media selling you lies.

BYD already builds EV buses. Why would cars be any different?

BUS 2 - Technological Innovations for a Better Life | BYD USA

en.byd.com

It hasn't been torpedoed yet



Again more Chinese Eastern media lies.


Telecoms aren't bundling most brands...that isn't a good excuse to say they are just excluding Huawei

Let's look for Sony or Nokia...

AT&T

Buy Cell Phones, Smartphones & Mobile Phones | AT&T Wireless

Shop our selection of cell phones from your favorite brands like Apple, Google, Samsung, and Motorola. Get the new iPhone 15 now at AT&T.

www.att.com

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Verizon

Cell Phones: Shop the Top Smartphones Online | Verizon

Whether you're a mobile-tech expert, novice or somewhere in between, Verizon has a wide selection of smartphones. Find the perfect smartphone for you.

www.verizon.com

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Ok, Nokia is in this list

Sprint/T-Mobile

https://www.sprint.com/en/shop/cell-phones.html

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nope!

But somehow you think Huawei is the special case??? Why?

a question who want a Nokia these days ?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

a question who want a Nokia these days ?

It's Taiwanese now. Owned basically by Foxconn. So the same question is...who would want Huawei?

HMD Global - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

HMD Global (Home of mobile devices) or Nokia Mobile with branded as Nokia, is a Finnish mobile phone manufacturer owned by Terry Gou.

Terry Gou - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Terry Gou (Chinese: 郭台銘; pinyin: Guō Táimíng; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Koeh Tâi-bêng; born 18 October 1950) is a Taiwanese billionaire businessman and politician. Gou is the founder and former chairman and chief executive officer of Foxconn,

 

[Darth Vader]

EV don't have an engine.

They do have motor, but biggest issue is battery.
Unlike engines, which can go one decade modern batteries cant do that. The charging cycle is limited.
And i meant in general sense

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's Taiwanese now. Owned basically by Foxconn. So the same question is...who would want Huawei?

HMD Global - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Terry Gou - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nokia G42

Huawei Mate 60 pro+

Huawei P60 pro

Huawei Nova 11pro

those 2023 comparison are not fair, let compare 2023 offering of Nokia with 2019 offering of Huawei
Huawei Mate 30 Pro 5g

 

[_killuminati_]

They do have motor, but biggest issue is battery.
Unlike engines, which can go one decade modern batteries cant do that. The charging cycle is limited.
And i meant in general sense

A battery is easier and cheaper to build and replace than an engine, and the long-term operational cost (electricity) is a lot cheaper than an engine (petrol/gas).

 

[Darth Vader]

A battery is easier and cheaper to build and replace than an engine, and the long-term operational cost (electricity) is a lot cheaper than an engine (petrol/gas).

I m not saying EVs dont offer any advantage but we gotta look at both sides.
Batteries are easier and cheaper to build yes, if you are doing these as DIY projects but if you go with official company ones these will cost you between 5 to 10000 $ for each car in10 to 15 years
Biggest issue is our current battery tech itself these are extremely toxic , recycling is issue we are jumping from one harmful item to another.
As both side it has its good and bads. Let's see what we get in 30 years.

 

[Menthol]

I just watched Chinese car review by German reviewers.

I think EU worry is no kidding.

Chinese car really can take over the entire EU.

 

[GreatHanWarrior]

No more Wuling Hongguang for the Europeans. Chinese folks here says that girls get wet looking at that car.

 

[GreatHanWarrior]

It may have overtaken Apple but Samsung was still #1 (as usual).
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ok, but what does that have to do with the state of Huawei or EV's right now?
Bills mean nothing...laws mean everything.



You mean they can't bid on federally funded transit projects.
Since when has any foreign company been allowed to bid on any of China's central government transit projects in the last 10 years? Yeah right!

Even if they did win somehow China would force then to create a joint venture with TOT.

Baby. You are becoming more and more like a pariah now. Likes to roar and cry.