Sayfullah
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even the most fervent ethno-nationalist draw the line at separation be it Pashtun, Sindh, Punjabi spaces (afaik), Pakistan except for Baluchistan no truly English educated will talk against Pakistan the country
they hate Pakistani nationalism (including Punjabi spaces) and I agree with some of their arguments here
Will crap talk about different groups of Pakistan - Sindhi-Muhajir beef, Pashtun hating on Punjabis and Punjabis crap talking Pashtuns (tbf this is a historical beef dating back centuries), Hindustani people
Pashtun, Punjabis are both very much into Pakistani nationalist (not talking about Reddit in general) compared to other groups, also (because are neighbors) have Punjabi pathan and Hindko phenomenon -
but the ethno-centric folks of both sides don't particularly like each other, ethno-nationalist folks holds Ranjeet Singh in good light, respected figure cause he stopped and pushed back Afghans (the whole "Sher-e-punjab" and Ranjeets statue thing was the conspiracy of liberal ethno-nationalist and it would have stayed that way till islamists pushed back and said enough of this BS)
They like those Afghan invasions because of Muslim brotherhood (you can still see islamists of punjab cheering on TTA and wanting a merger of two states under shari'a) - not only have historically they invited Afghans to Punjab against non-muslims
but stiffest opposition to khalsa rule was put up by islamist Peers of Punjab who in the name of jihad would raise jathas against khalsas (multiple times during course of Thier rule, Jihadi Lashkars led by some islamic figure would appear) while the regular people would consider them Thier own people or were too tired after 94 years of constant turmoil and moved on with life)
I think invasions of Punjab to some extent become successful because of struggle between secularists believing in co-existance vs islamists who helped the invasions in the name of Islam, jihad
This internal struggle meant people were always divided on how to approach invasions
But after Pakistan we can see islamist won this almost 1000 y/o internal struggle and now for the most part islamic brotherhood before.other divisions is the mainstream approach
Honestly islamist do keep our ethno-centric steak at check (ANP-JUI, here TLP stopped the statues) @Jf-17 block 3 is right in some ways here
Back to topic
Its mostly about promoting local culture, history, language etc etc nothing too serious
Keep in mind reddit is mostly of English speaking diaspora and not people living in Pakistan and will attract ethno-centric folks in the first place so this is a very small, specific group of people
Islamists just accept the fact that Pakistani nationalism doesn’t exist at least at this point of time. To ensure Pakistans survival and stability we want our country’s focus to be Islam because the one thing a Baloch and Punjabi in Pakistan have in common is Islam. With us remaining as a Islamic republic and not becoming secular we have something in common with other ethnicities of Pakistan and that’s what makes us united. Even most of our army many join because they want to be martyrs according to Islam they want to do jihad according to Islamic principles they don’t join the army to fight for nationalism or secularism they go to become a shaheed while doing jihad.
We don’t want a merger with Afghanistan becoming a Islamist doesn’t mean you don’t recognize any borders we just want a European Union type alliance between Muslim countries and a NATO type alliance. If white countries can have such alliances and be united against their enemy why can’t we put aside our differences and make our own grand Muslim alliance? It’ll sure save us from all the infighting we do amongst our selves.
Sikh rule was brutal they wouldn’t let Muslims do azaan they would turn our masjids into places for them to put their horses. Sikh rule disrespected every Muslim Punjabi or not and their us like shit and oppressed us. As Muslims were told to do jihad against oppressors the oppressor can be Punjabi or even my own blood brother that doesn’t matter.
If we look at it from a Islamist pov if Balochistan was most Islamists we wouldn’t see a bla or blf type insurgency. Had Balochistan been mostly Islamist you wouldn’t see any separatists because that would be against Islamist views. Sure you possibly could have seen a Islamist type insurgency but those are probably easier to deal with then etho nationalist insurgency. After all most Islamists in Pakistan like 99% are anti ttp and consider them khawarij and would fight against them and have fought against them.
Had Bangladesh been mostly Islamists back in 71 I can confidently say it they would still be east Pakistan today not matter what our differences were they wouldn’t have separated.
This is where my point comes in the more we focus on Pakistani nationalism and secularism the more we give power to these etho nationalist and the more separatist movements we see.
History has shown whenever pak army was in a difficult place Islamists were the first ones to pick up weapons and fight alongside pak army. 1947, 1965, 1971, 1999. 1980s Afghan jihad. 1990s Kashmir uprising. 2000s Afghan jihad 2.0.
Whenever army needed help they always used Islamists for their wars because they know we would be the only ones to fight because liberal secularists have no reason to die we have a reason to die though because we’re doing jihad to become a martyr.