Erdogan surrenders to Putin

[Bismarck]

You can see the results. Assad had S-300PMU2 stationed in north (its virtually same as S-400), Buks, Pantirs etc etc. Turks had only MANPADS and F-16.

Assad lost 3 jets, 2 jelicopters, 1 drone
Turks 4 drones.

Thats despite swarms of Turkish drones operated over Assad territory and zero Assad planes over Turkish territory.

And Turkey did not even use its AGM-88 and cruise missiles.

S-300 are not same as S-400. Second, where both systems active?

It is very clear that Iran doesn't give a crap either. Iran is a different story anyways, because our military was never directly involved in Syria. Only IRGC advisors, Basij etc. That was needed because Russia unlike Iran cant fight in an assymetric urban warfare. But when it comes to getting rid of Turkey in a conventional warfare. Russia has the ability to do it and completely get rid of Turkey within a couple days.

Dont make the failure to think, Russian are your ally.

 

[mangekyo]

Dont make the failure to think, Russian are your ally.

I never said that

 

[Bismarck]

Turkey lost about 20 drones total including 5 Anka-S (20 mln) and more than a dozen of TB2 ($5 mln). 3 Anka-s and 3 TB2 confirmed with pics.
Where did you see 2 Pantsirs? You mean that UAE Pantsir on MAN chassis somehow appeared in Syria in your fantasy world? Oh poor troll

Can you give me the source about that ~20 destroyed UAVs?

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey in a conventional warfare. Russia has the ability to do it and completely get rid of Turkey within a couple days.

if Russian forces directly attack Turkish forces in Syria , Turkish Armed Forces can kick Russia out of Syria in 2 hours .. Russian military bases in Syria only 35-100km away from Turkish border

and Russia can do nothing except stop buying tomato from Turkiye and stop sending tourists to Turkiye

Russia can not use nuclear weapons and without nuclear weapons Russia has no power projection to fight against Turkiye in Syria


btw we have seen loser Russians in Afghanistan in 10 years , without nuclear weapons Russians sucked in poor weak unarmed Afghanistan

 

[mangekyo]

Russians cant fight assymetric wars. Fighting Turkey means a conventional war and they would destroy you within days. Ask the Germans.

 

[TNT]

If syria army didnt capture the strategic Saraqib, I am sure Putin will not agreed with ceasefire. Turkish drone did indeed inflict significant damage to Syria army but it did not change the outcome of strategic Saraqib battle and quench the ferocity of Syria army and their allies. I am sure the main mission of Turkish and the rebel is to hold onto Saraqib and the highway to threaten Aleppo and their reinforcement. But it did not. Maybe turkish effort did indeed save the remaining rebel but if whole Idlib is recaptured. The most they loses syria land and rest of the rebel retreat back to Turkish safe land.

Saraqib is important if u plan to takeover aleppo and latakia. Turkey does not want to take any areas, just a zone to keep syrian refugees untill things become normal. Turkey will have its observation points and most military equipment will stay.

 

[Stryker1982]

Turkish Armed Forces can kick Russia out of Syria in 2 hours

Why is it that Turks living outside of Turkey are the most rabid and irrational people on the internet. I can't tell if you are worse that hasbaras but certainly Top 3. Many sober Turks on this site think you are a crazy turk living in the west. I live in the west too but atleast I am realistic person. Not a foaming out the mouth nationalist with low iq as most nationalists are. You should try being patriotic turk, nationalism is unhinged.

 

[MMM-E]

S-300 are not same as S-400. Second, where both systems active?

Turkish Armed Forces easly can destroy S300-S400s in Syria ... problem is not military technology , problem is political decision

Turkish Armed Forces ( army-navy-airforce ) have the 2nd biggest fire power in NATO after the US

S300-S400s are in Syria in range of Turkish Armed Forces Missiles

-- 120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile

-- 500 km HARPY anti radiation Drone
-- Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs

-- 150 km HARM anti radiotion Missile
-- 280 km SLAM-ER Cruise Missile
-- 280 km SOM Cruise Missile

also Turkish Navy 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes and 4 GUR class Submarines armed with 140km HARPOON block-II land attack Cruise Missiles

also 220+ km ATMACA block-II land based Cruise Missile is on the way with IIR seeker for land attack capability
also 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb is on the way with IIR seeker for pin point accuracy

also 1.000km KARGI anti radiation Drone is on the way

and KORAL-REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems to jam S300-S400 Radars

Why is it that Turks living outside of Turkey are the most rabid and irrational people on the internet. I can't tell if you are worse that hasbaras but certainly Top 3. Many sober Turks on this site think you are a crazy turk living in the west. I live in the west too but atleast I am realistic person. Not a foaming out the mouth nationalist with low iq as most nationalists are. You should try being patriotic turk, nationalism is unhinged.

problem is not military technology , problem is political decision

Russian primitive technology in Syria can not stop the Turkish Armed Forces

 

[Bismarck]

If it is really that easy to knock out S-400, you should not buy one.

 

[IblinI]

Turkish Armed Forces easly can destroy S300-S400s in Syria ... problem is not military technology , problem is political decision

Turkish Armed Forces ( army-navy-airforce ) have the 2nd biggest fire power in NATO after the US

S300-S400s are in Syria in range of Turkish Armed Forces Missiles

-- 120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile

-- 500 km HARPY anti radiation Drone
-- Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs

-- 150 km HARPY anti radiotion Missile
-- 280 km SLAM-ER Cruise Missile
-- 280 km SOM Cruise Missile

also Turkish Navy 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes and 4 GUR class Submarines armed with 140km HARPOON block-II land attack Cruise Missiles

also 220+ km ATMACA block-II land based Cruise Missile is on the way with IIR seeker for land attack capability
also 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb is on the way with IIR seeker for pin point accuracy

also 1.000km KARGI anti radiation Drone is on the way

and KORAL-REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems to jam S300-S400 Radars



problem is not military technology , problem is political decision

Russian primitive technology in Syria can not stop the Turkish Armed Forces

Stop wasting forum space, I am trying and looking for some informative post but end up with yours,again.

 

[MMM-E]

Russians cant fight assymetric wars. Fighting Turkey means a conventional war and they would destroy you within days. Ask the Germans.

only ignorant Persians can say this

Russia could not destroy even tiny unarmed Chechenya in 10 years
Russia could not destroy even poor weak unarmed Afghanistan in 10 years


btw Germany killed over 20 millions Russians in ww2 , even Germany fought the US+the UK+France+USSR

if Germany would have fought only USSR , then Germany would have crushed USSR like insect

the US saved pathetic USSR from Germany and the US saved pathetic China from Japan in ww2



without Nuclear weapons what about Russia ?

in 5 years Turkiye will have enough military power to counter even Russia

-- if Russian Army attack Turkiye , then Russian Tanks,Howitzers,MLRSs,IFVs,ADSs will be destroyed by Turkish UCAVs Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI , MIUS also kamikaze Drones like KARGI in Turkish soil

Turkish Army has thousands of TOW , MILAN , ERYX anti Tank missiles to hunt enemy Tanks

also Turkiye has its own OMTAS - KARAOK anti Tank missiles , T-155 and YAVUZ Howitzers , TRG-122 and TRG-300 guided MLRSs , J600T and KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles , IFVs

also Turkiye produce its own T-129 , T629 , ATAK-II Attack Helicopters with turboshaft engine to hunt enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc

also Turkish F-16s and soon HURJET Fighter Jets to carry 100 km KUZGUN IIR/Radar guided smart ammunition to hunt even moving enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc

and 83 million ultra nationalist brave Turkish People


Nobody can invade Turkiye



-- if Russian Airforce attack Turkiye , then Turkish KORKUT , HISAR-A , HISAR-O , SIPER Air Defense Systems will counter Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets in Turkish Airspace

also Turkish Army has over 800 STINGER MANPADS with over 4.800 missiles and Turkish PORSAV MANPADS is on the way

also Turkish AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs will be armed with GOKDOGAN air to air missiles , SATCOM and AESA Radar for air defense mission to protect Turkish airspace 7/24

and Turkish Airforce has great technology network centric cooperative engagement capability to hunt Russian Jets in BVR combat

-- F-16 and HURJET Fighter Jets ...... AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs
-- networked AIM-120C7 and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- KEMENT national tactical Data link .... also link 16
-- Boeing E7-T AEWCs
-- 600km EIRS new generation GaN based early warning AESA Radar


also great Electronic warfare capability with KORAL , REDET and soon HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer


HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM-C , HARM , AKBABA anti ship and anti radiation missiles to hunt Russian Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean and Black Sea

also RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship missile on the way

also supersonic anti ship ballistic missile on the way based on BORA ballistic missile

also 16 Frigates , 4 stealth Corvettes , 14 Submarines and 12 ASW Aircrafts for anti Submarine warfare


problem is 2000km Russian KINZHAL air launched ballistic missile ( air launched variant of ISKANDER missile )

Turkish Airforce has 48 modernized F-4 Fighter Jets to carry air launched BORA ballistic missile up to 1000km
and Turkish 800-1400km GEZGIN Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missile family up to 2500km to response against Russian and Iranian Ballistic missiles

also Turkiye has started developing GUMS anti ballistic missile defense system .




and Turkey is in NATO, if it werent , now Turkiye would have nuclear weapons as like Pakistan

in the last 17 years ERDOGAN spent trillion dollars to modernize Turkiye with new buildings , hospitals , airports , highways , roads , bridges , high speed railways , stadiums , etc

Turkiye should spend hundreds of billions of dollars for military , not for useless buildings
Turkiye can not trust NATO

 

[Glass]

If it is really that easy to knock out S-400, you should not buy one.

we will see soon enough what that system is all about.

 

[MMM-E]

If it is really that easy to knock out S-400, you should not buy one.

We have territorial/location advantage

even the Turkish Armed Forces dont need Airforce to destroy S400s in Syria


Syria S400s are in range of Turkish Army 120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS , 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile , 165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missile and 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile

also 220+ km ATMACA block-II land based Cruise Missile is on the way with RF+IIR seeker for land attack capability

and S400s never can stop dozens of guided rockets/missiles in saturation attack

 

[mangekyo]

only ignorant Persians can say this

Russia could not destroy even tiny unarmed Chechenya in 10 years
Russia could not destroy even poor weak unarmed Afghanistan in 10 years


btw Germany killed over 20 millions Russians in ww2 , even Germany fought the US+the UK+France+USSR

if Germany would have fought only USSR , then Germany would have crushed USSR like insect

the US saved pathetic USSR from Germany and the US saved pathetic China from Japan in ww2



without Nuclear weapons what about Russia ?

in 5 years Turkiye will have enough military power to counter even Russia

-- if Russian Army attack Turkiye , then Russian Tanks,Howitzers,MLRSs,IFVs,ADSs will be destroyed by Turkish UCAVs Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI , MIUS also kamikaze Drones like KARGI in Turkish soil

Turkish Army has thousands of TOW , MILAN , ERYX anti Tank missiles to hunt enemy Tanks

also Turkiye has its own OMTAS - KARAOK anti Tank missiles , T-155 and YAVUZ Howitzers , TRG-122 and TRG-300 guided MLRSs , J600T and KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles , IFVs

also Turkiye produce its own T-129 , T629 , ATAK-II Attack Helicopters with turboshaft engine to hunt enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc

also Turkish F-16s and soon HURJET Fighter Jets to carry 100 km KUZGUN IIR/Radar guided smart ammunition to hunt even moving enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc

and 83 million ultra nationalist brave Turkish People


Nobody can invade Turkiye



-- if Russian Airforce attack Turkiye , then Turkish KORKUT , HISAR-A , HISAR-O , SIPER Air Defense Systems will counter Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets in Turkish Airspace

also Turkish Army has over 800 STINGER MANPADS with over 4.800 missiles and Turkish PORSAV MANPADS is on the way

also Turkish AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs will be armed with GOKDOGAN air to air missiles , SATCOM and AESA Radar for air defense mission to protect Turkish airspace 7/24

and Turkish Airforce has great technology network centric cooperative engagement capability to hunt Russian Jets in BVR combat

-- F-16 and HURJET Fighter Jets ...... AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs
-- networked AIM-120C7 and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- KEMENT national tactical Data link .... also link 16
-- Boeing E7-T AEWCs
-- 600km EIRS new generation GaN based early warning AESA Radar


also great Electronic warfare capability with KORAL , REDET and soon HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer


HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM-C , HARM , AKBABA anti ship and anti radiation missiles to hunt Russian Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean and Black Sea

also RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship missile on the way

also supersonic anti ship ballistic missile on the way based on BORA ballistic missile

also 16 Frigates , 4 stealth Corvettes , 14 Submarines and 12 ASW Aircrafts for anti Submarine warfare


problem is 2000km Russian KINZHAL air launched ballistic missile ( air launched variant of ISKANDER missile )

Turkish Airforce has 48 modernized F-4 Fighter Jets to carry air launched BORA ballistic missile up to 1000km
and Turkish 800-1400km GEZGIN Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missile family up to 2500km to response against Russian and Iranian Ballistic missiles

also Turkiye has started developing GUMS anti ballistic missile defense system .




and Turkey is in NATO, if it werent , now Turkiye would have nuclear weapons as like Pakistan

in the last 17 years ERDOGAN spent trillion dollars to modernize Turkiye with new buildings , hospitals , airports , highways , roads , bridges , high speed railways , stadiums , etc

Turkiye should spend hundreds of billions of dollars for military , not for useless buildings
Turkiye can not trust NATO

ok

 

[Stryker1982]

only ignorant Persians can say this

Russia could not destroy even tiny unarmed Chechenya in 10 years
Russia could not destroy even poor weak unarmed Afghanistan in 10 years


btw Germany killed over 20 millions Russians in ww2 , even Germany fought the US+the UK+France+USSR

if Germany would have fought only USSR , then Germany would have crushed USSR like insect

the US saved pathetic USSR from Germany and the US saved pathetic China from Japan in ww2



without Nuclear weapons what about Russia ?

in 5 years Turkiye will have enough military power to counter even Russia

-- if Russian Army attack Turkiye , then Russian Tanks,Howitzers,MLRSs,IFVs,ADSs will be destroyed by Turkish UCAVs Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI , MIUS also kamikaze Drones like KARGI in Turkish soil

Turkish Army has thousands of TOW , MILAN , ERYX anti Tank missiles to hunt enemy Tanks

also Turkiye has its own OMTAS - KARAOK anti Tank missiles , T-155 and YAVUZ Howitzers , TRG-122 and TRG-300 guided MLRSs , J600T and KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles , IFVs

also Turkiye produce its own T-129 , T629 , ATAK-II Attack Helicopters with turboshaft engine to hunt enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc

also Turkish F-16s and soon HURJET Fighter Jets to carry 100 km KUZGUN IIR/Radar guided smart ammunition to hunt even moving enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc

and 83 million ultra nationalist brave Turkish People


Nobody can invade Turkiye



-- if Russian Airforce attack Turkiye , then Turkish KORKUT , HISAR-A , HISAR-O , SIPER Air Defense Systems will counter Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets in Turkish Airspace

also Turkish Army has over 800 STINGER MANPADS with over 4.800 missiles and Turkish PORSAV MANPADS is on the way

also Turkish AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs will be armed with GOKDOGAN air to air missiles , SATCOM and AESA Radar for air defense mission to protect Turkish airspace 7/24

and Turkish Airforce has great technology network centric cooperative engagement capability to hunt Russian Jets in BVR combat

-- F-16 and HURJET Fighter Jets ...... AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs
-- networked AIM-120C7 and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- KEMENT national tactical Data link .... also link 16
-- Boeing E7-T AEWCs
-- 600km EIRS new generation GaN based early warning AESA Radar


also great Electronic warfare capability with KORAL , REDET and soon HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer


HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM-C , HARM , AKBABA anti ship and anti radiation missiles to hunt Russian Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean and Black Sea

also RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship missile on the way

also supersonic anti ship ballistic missile on the way based on BORA ballistic missile

also 16 Frigates , 4 stealth Corvettes , 14 Submarines and 12 ASW Aircrafts for anti Submarine warfare


problem is 2000km Russian KINZHAL air launched ballistic missile ( air launched variant of ISKANDER missile )

Turkish Airforce has 48 modernized F-4 Fighter Jets to carry air launched BORA ballistic missile up to 1000km
and Turkish 800-1400km GEZGIN Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missile family up to 2500km to response against Russian and Iranian Ballistic missiles

also Turkiye has started developing GUMS anti ballistic missile defense system .




and Turkey is in NATO, if it werent , now Turkiye would have nuclear weapons as like Pakistan

in the last 17 years ERDOGAN spent trillion dollars to modernize Turkiye with new buildings , hospitals , airports , highways , roads , bridges , high speed railways , stadiums , etc

Turkiye should spend hundreds of billions of dollars for military , not for useless buildings
Turkiye can not trust NATO

Theirs so much bullshit in this post, its so hard to even read especially how things you claim that will be used to fight Russia are not even completed project nor even sure if they will be without heavy foreign imports, but one set of bullshit is that you actually think Bora (Chinese licensed) has a range of 2000km. Max range is no more than 300km and Gezgin curise missile is not even real. SOM is actually real and only a few hundred km range. You are honestly rabid and the rest of the Turkish defense forum that I greatly respect need to reign you craziness in.