Erdogan surrenders to Putin

[Glass]

Self delusion, how much is idlib under rebel and Turkish control? Saraqib being so strategic and yet you are incapable to hold it from a ragged Syria army with obsolete weapon. More or less speaks about the effectiveness of Turkish army.

Absolutely, the problem is the lack of bat soup for the turkish army. Without corona nothing works.

 

[Beast]

Absolutely, the problem is the lack of bat soup for the turkish army. Without corona nothing works.

Lol.. looks like some Turkish fanboy is angry when I mention incapable Turkish army but sorry to say. This is fact.

 

[skyshadow]

Iran deploys new military reinforcements in Syria’s Saraqib


Iran has deployed new military reinforcements in the strategic town of Saraqib in Idlib, northern Syria, to support the regime forces, Turkish media reported.

Yesterday, Turkey’s Yeni Safak newspaper reported that Iran had deployed 2,000 members of its proxy militias and the Revolutionary Guards Quds Force to Saraqib while its Fatemiyoun Brigade deployed a convoy of 200 vehicles to Ma’arat Al-Numan.

The paper noted that Lebanon’s Hezbollah militant group also deployed new fighters in Saraqib, after withdrawing dozens of its militants against the backdrop of killing at least 15 of its fighters and wounding 50 others.

It pointed to reports that a Hezbollah delegation had arrived from Lebanon and sought to implement a ceasefire in order to withdraw its members from the region.

According to the paper, the Syrian regime also deployed reinforcements in the region, adding that Russia provided the new reinforcements four hours of non-strop aerial cover, forcing opposition forces to withdraw from some locations.

The newspaper also quoted local sources as saying that the Turkish drones killed nearly 40 members of the Syrian regime forces in the village of Jubas.



https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ew-military-reinforcements-in-syrias-saraqib/

 

[Beast]

Iran deploys new military reinforcements in Syria’s Saraqib


Iran has deployed new military reinforcements in the strategic town of Saraqib in Idlib, northern Syria, to support the regime forces, Turkish media reported.

Yesterday, Turkey’s Yeni Safak newspaper reported that Iran had deployed 2,000 members of its proxy militias and the Revolutionary Guards Quds Force to Saraqib while its Fatemiyoun Brigade deployed a convoy of 200 vehicles to Ma’arat Al-Numan.

The paper noted that Lebanon’s Hezbollah militant group also deployed new fighters in Saraqib, after withdrawing dozens of its militants against the backdrop of killing at least 15 of its fighters and wounding 50 others.

It pointed to reports that a Hezbollah delegation had arrived from Lebanon and sought to implement a ceasefire in order to withdraw its members from the region.

According to the paper, the Syrian regime also deployed reinforcements in the region, adding that Russia provided the new reinforcements four hours of non-strop aerial cover, forcing opposition forces to withdraw from some locations.

The newspaper also quoted local sources as saying that the Turkish drones killed nearly 40 members of the Syrian regime forces in the village of Jubas.



https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ew-military-reinforcements-in-syrias-saraqib/

Not surprising to reinforce such an important city. Only fool will lose it. It connected to M4 and M5 highway to Aleppo.

 

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Self delusion, how much is idlib under rebel and Turkish control? Saraqib being so strategic and yet you are incapable to hold it from a ragged Syria army with obsolete weapon. More or less speaks about the effectiveness of Turkish army.

there are Turkish observation points on the Aleppo-Damascus M5 highway

and Turkiye backed Syrian National Army control Neyrab with the Aleppo-Latakia M4 highway gave it great strategic advantage

 

[Glass]

Lol.. looks like some Turkish fanboy is angry when I mention incapable Turkish army but sorry to say. This is fact.

As long as the turkish army doesnt consume corona bat soup it wont have the strength to capture anything. This is a fact. And China is front runner when it comes to bat soup

 

[raptor22]

I don't understand why you are saying this over and over. Let's put other areas aside for a moment.

Iran-Russia-Turkey reached an agreement a few years ago (I don't remember the name. It was either Sochi or Astana)

Both Iran-Russia-Turkey would establish observation posts and observe the cease-fire. So, you acknowledged Turkish troop presence in Idlip ? Am i wrong or right?

Well first and foremost Idlib belong to Syria and they make decision whether you could be there or not ... right now they wanna take control of their own lands ... what is wrong with that? if they wanna their lands back then it means your presence there is no more legitimate or requested be it in any from.
On agreements:
Did you do your part of deal? we talked on roads.
Did Syrian agreed to hand out their lands to you in that agreement that you fight them in their lands? is it a part of deal?
Did those agreements gave right to Turkey to have observation posts or heavy military presence in there? bringing tanks, drones, troops? basis? or just policing? share these posts with those whom were not supposed to be there under Sochi?
Did the agreement let you to turn Idlib a place for terrorists? How long it was gonna take for Erdogan to separate HTS and Alnusra from the rest?and how long it is gonna take to see Syria get rid of these terrorists?

What started a while ago took place 2 years after Sochi agreement and Erdogan failed to meet his commitments.

Idlib is belong to sunni muslim Syrians , not belong to radical sectarian dictator Assad , christian Russia , shia Iran and Iran backed shia terror groups who wants to kill 4 million sunni muslim Syrians in Idlib or to force them moving to Turkiye from Idlib

who selected sectarian dictator Assad to rule Syria ? nobody
Assad is not leader of Syrian People
minimum 12 million sunni muslim Syrians including 4 million in Idlib so hate radical sectarian dictator Assad , christian Russia , shia Iran and Iran backed shia terror groups who killed hundreds of thousands of sunni muslim Syrian civilians and forced 8 million sunni muslim Syrians moving from their lands to another countries including Turkiye

Sectarian minds ...

 

[OldTwilight]

Well first and foremost Idlib belong to Syria and they make decision whether you could be there or not ... right now they wanna take control of their own lands ... what is wrong with that? if they wanna their lands back then it means your presence there is no more legitimate or requested be it in any from.
On agreements:
Did you do your part of deal? we talked on roads.
Did Syrian agreed to hand out their lands to you in that agreement that you fight them in their lands? is it a part of deal?
Did those agreements gave right to Turkey to have observation posts or heavy military presence in there? bringing tanks, drones, troops? basis? or just policing? share these posts with those whom were not supposed to be there under Sochi?
Did the agreement let you to turn Idlib a place for terrorists? How long it was gonna take for Erdogan to separate HTS and Alnusra from the rest?and how long it is gonna take to see Syria get rid of these terrorists?

What started a while ago took place 2 years after Sochi agreement and Erdogan failed to meet his commitments.


Sectarian minds ...

They lost , but they want fool themselves ... so , let them be ...

 

[Beast]

They lost , but they want fool themselves ... so , let them be ...

Precisely. Saraqib is a do or die mission. It must be captured at all cost. The losses by Turkish are all in vain. All the sacrifice by Syrian Army are worth it.

 

[MMM-E]

They lost , but they want fool themselves ... so , let them be ...

Turks dont need useless shitty Syria .... We have great country including Hatay in the Mediterranean coast
Turkiye just want to protect its borders and to stop refugee crisis
and We did it ( Idlib , Afrin , Azaz , Jarablus , Al Bab , Telabyad , Rasulayn ... also sooner or later Tel Rıfat , Munbij and Ayn al Arab )

Assad,Iran ,Pkk/Ypg never can enter Idlib, Afrin , Azaz , Jarablus , Al Bab , Telabyad , Rasulayn

keep hidding behind of Russia in Syria
but PUTIN-NETANYAHU have agreed for kicking Iran out of Syria in the next 12 months

 

[-SINAN-]

Well first and foremost Idlib belong to Syria and they make decision whether you could be there or not ... right now they wanna take control of their own lands ... what is wrong with that? if they wanna their lands back then it means your presence there is no more legitimate or requested be it in any from.
On agreements:
Did you do your part of deal? we talked on roads.
Did Syrian agreed to hand out their lands to you in that agreement that you fight them in their lands? is it a part of deal?
Did those agreements gave right to Turkey to have observation posts or heavy military presence in there? bringing tanks, drones, troops? basis? or just policing? share these posts with those whom were not supposed to be there under Sochi?
Did the agreement let you to turn Idlib a place for terrorists? How long it was gonna take for Erdogan to separate HTS and Alnusra from the rest?and how long it is gonna take to see Syria get rid of these terrorists?

What started a while ago took place 2 years after Sochi agreement and Erdogan failed to meet his commitments.

None, of these arguments, make Turkish troop presence illegal.

Mistake is being in other's lands and try to portray it as legal & legitimate Idlib belong to Syrian not Turkish forces...

I asked a very simple question, you asked many other questions.... seems like dialog is impossible.

 

[TNT]

Lol.. That's not what u all brag earlier. You all claim whole of idlib will be under rebel and turkey protection. Change goalpost so fast? Assad aim is also to recapture whole idlib but most importantly is to regain control of saraqib as it holds the M4 and M5 highway route to Aleppo. If we talks about who gets a better deal. It takes no genuis, Assad won big with highway to Aleppo guarantee and take back a big chunk of idlib while living space for rebel has shrink even further.

Turkey showed that with military it can take whole syria. A few days of air raids that too only drones and syrian army was devastated, putin quickly agreed to meet. Turkey is not iran, it doesnt need to brag about fake painted weapons, it showed capabilities. Turkey have created buffer zone all around the border, which is good enough. Why are iranians jumping, u cudnt even take revenge of that pig the US killed, instead u killed ur own citizens lolz.

 

[Beast]

Turkey showed that with military it can take whole syria. A few days of air raids that too only drones and syrian army was devastated, putin quickly agreed to meet. Turkey is not iran, it doesnt need to brag about fake painted weapons, it showed capabilities. Turkey have created buffer zone all around the border, which is good enough. Why are iranians jumping, u cudnt even take revenge of that pig the US killed, instead u killed ur own citizens lolz.

If syria army didnt capture the strategic Saraqib, I am sure Putin will not agreed with ceasefire. Turkish drone did indeed inflict significant damage to Syria army but it did not change the outcome of strategic Saraqib battle and quench the ferocity of Syria army and their allies. I am sure the main mission of Turkish and the rebel is to hold onto Saraqib and the highway to threaten Aleppo and their reinforcement. But it did not. Maybe turkish effort did indeed save the remaining rebel but if whole Idlib is recaptured. The most they loses syria land and rest of the rebel retreat back to Turkish safe land.

 

[raptor22]

None, of these arguments, make Turkish troop presence illegal.I asked a very simple question, you asked many other questions.... seems like dialog is impossible.

Yeap those argument indeed makes Turkish troop presence illegal ... if Turkish presence in Syria is lawful instead of going to Russia you had go to UN.
Acknowledgment of Turkish troops police and posts presence in Idlip was based on some conditions and framework within the so-called agreement without no contraindication of Syrians government legitimate right of its own lands. one of the conditions was this:

or:

They lost , but they want fool themselves ... so , let them be ...

It is not about losing but trying to be logical ... Erdogan has lost since 2011.

 

[-SINAN-]

Yeap those argument indeed makes Turkish troop presence illegal ... if Turkish presence in Syria is lawful instead of going to Russia you had go to UN.

Iran recognized Turkish Troop presence in Syria. Your state officials signed that agreement. Whatever you say on a internet forum is not gonna change this fact.
Infact Iran's officials never said that "Turkish soldiers' presence in Idlip is illegal" more over they were willing negotiate a deal between Turkey and Syria.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...is-ready-to-mediate-between-turkey-and-syria/

But i understand, you have your point of view of the issue and not willing to listen any other opinion. So, there is no need to argue any further.