Erdogan sent Israel envoy to Turkey packing back to Israel

[AUSTERLITZ]

So? Turkey is much bigger than Israel. Israel cannot afford political isolation in the world.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5dd166d8a46

Israel doesn't really give a shit about turkey or any nation except america.If USA expelled their ambassador ,only that would get israel worried.Otherwise they know no one else can stop them.This isolation thing i've been hearing for a decade,its a fantasy.Israeli economy and exports are booming.And on the political front even if whole world is against them they need only american veto in UNSC to stonewall any move.

 

[-SINAN-]

Israel also expels Turkish consul.

You expelled him after we called him back ?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...k-demonstrations.558699/page-37#post-10495112

Nice move

 

[GBU-28]

The Palestinians want freedom from jews

The jews control their lives, their finances, their borders, everything it traps millions of Palestinians in ghettos and prison camps

We need to remove the jews teeth from the Palestinians and give them freedom or equal rights in one state

Not as long as palestinian identity and culture revolves around terrorism. Not as long as their cultural heroes are suicide bombers instead of sports people. Not as long as they teach their kids how to stab Jews.

You'll just need to keep stomping your feet in anger in Bradford until your co-religionists in Gaza decide on a different path. We've been waiting for a few decades and no sign of them trying a different approach.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Not as long as palestinian identity and culture revolves around terrorism. Not as long as their cultural heroes are suicide bombers instead of sports people. Not as long as they teach their kids how to stab Jews.

You'll just need to keep stomping your feet in anger in Bradford until your co-religionists in Gaza decide on a different path. We've been waiting for a few decades and no sign of them trying a different approach.

A interesting quote...
"I Let 4Mil of my own ppl Die, without raising an eyebrow... My Son will do everything in his power to kill 4Mil... with closed eyes... Ppl will see me as a Hero...My Son will be seen as a Hero... But I will die as a coward...and so does he..."

 

[hussain0216]

Not as long as palestinian identity and culture revolves around terrorism. Not as long as their cultural heroes are suicide bombers instead of sports people. Not as long as they teach their kids how to stab Jews.

You'll just need to keep stomping your feet in anger in Bradford until your co-religionists in Gaza decide on a different path. We've been waiting for a few decades and no sign of them trying a different approach.

You have them trapped in ghettos and prison camps

They are near enough the majority of the population

Give it another decade and the Palestinians will form the majority of the people in Gaza, Israel and the west bank

Everyone teaches their people to hate an oppressor and occupier its a human trait to oppose subjugation

They hate jews like how someone would hate snakes, jews to them are like how nazi's were to you

You wouldn't expect jews to like nazis and you cant expect Palestinians or infact any of the world's 1.8 billion muslims to like jews


They just want freedom from jews

You wont give them freedom and steal more land forcing them into ghettos and you won't give them equality whilst you control all the land but make them second class humans

As their population keeps rising the tension is at boiling point

 

[GBU-28]

As their population keeps rising the tension is at boiling point

Then launch a war.

 

[hussain0216]

Then launch a war.

They are currently unable but that dosent mean they should just lie down and accept being walked into ovens

This is why we must support the Palestinians against these atrocities

 

[Natan]

after official protest they will come together and do business as usual lets wait some short month

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't seem to be an important issue anyway.

 

[GBU-28]

They are currently unable but that dosent mean they should just lie down and accept being walked into ovens

This is why we must support the Palestinians against these atrocities

Ah right. So too gutless to launch a war, too stupid to change their approach doing the same thing for decades and getting the same result - nothing.

I guess it's the status quo then. Suits Israel more than it does palestinians.

This is what I mean about them being perennial failures. They're an infantile people that have created a twisted narrative in their society that stabbing a couple of Jews is "winning", that suicide by IDF at the border is "resistance".

Even your basic squirrel learns faster than this.

 

[hussain0216]

Ah right. So too gutless to launch a war, too stupid to change their approach doing the same thing for decades and getting the same result - nothing.

I guess it's the status quo then. Suits Israel more than it does palestinians.

This is what I mean about them being perennial failures. They're an infantile people that have created a twisted narrative in their society that stabbing a couple of Jews is "winning", that suicide by IDF at the border is "resistance".

Even your basic squirrel learns faster than this.

No not gutless, they are simply unable they have the numbers but not the means or weapons to fight to defend themselves

So they do what they can from BDS to international forums, but the U.S is there to consistently block them.
The U.S has enabled Israel's horrific behaviour, the pressures of conflict and so many people would have forced israel to the negotiating table but for the USA enabling the I'll behaviour of the israelis
The U.S is just as complicit in this situation as israel


The status quo is apartheid its imprisonment of millions in ghettos and prison camps it is unacceptable

The Palestinians need freedom from jew control or equality in one binational state which can no longer be a jewish state due to the number of Palestinians

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

so israel will buy from iran?

Buy what? I'm sure Israel gets plenty of free stuffs from the US including hundreds of F-35.

 

[GBU-28]

No not gutless, they are simply unable they have the numbers but not the means or weapons to fight to defend themselves

So they do what they can from BDS to international forums, but the U.S is there to consistently block them.
The U.S has enabled Israel's horrific behaviour, the pressures of conflict and so many people would have forced israel to the negotiating table but for the USA enabling the I'll behaviour of the israelis
The U.S is just as complicit in this situation as israel


The status quo is apartheid its imprisonment of millions in ghettos and prison camps it is unacceptable

The Palestinians need freedom from jew control or equality in one binational state which can no longer be a jewish state due to the number of Palestinians

You're perhaps slowly getting there. Okay, we've established they can't launch a war. We know that even when the Arab states were strong, Israel still won.

We know that Israel's economy has been unaffected by BDS. We know that even companies directly targeted by BDS like Elbit systems, have seen their value increase.

We know that the US has Israel's back, just as the palestinians have had the Islamic world, parts of Europe, Latin America and Africa on their side.

So the question is, does the Muslim from Bradford want to actually see a peace, or is he like the palestinians who want to keep playing BDS and UNESCO games to tarnish Israel's image, but ultimately gain nothing?

Tarnishing images is a short term gain. Germany was responsible for two world wars in which some 120 million people died - they seem to do okay these days in terms of popularity.

So I come back to my point. It's time to try something else, because stabbing Jews, digging tunnels, firing rockets and rushing the border has got them absolutely nowhere.

 

[KAL-EL]

Then launch a war.

You say that very cavalier like. Because you full well know you're in a position of strength, and nobody's launching any wars against you

Have you received much personal enjoyment over the last few days?

 

[GBU-28]

You say that very cavalier like. Because you full well know you're in a position of strength, and nobody's launching any wars against you

Have you received much personal enjoyment over the last few days?

Ding-ding. Very astute of you. That's the whole point.

Can't launch a war.

Tried tunnels
Tried stabbing Jews
Tried rockets
Tried riots
Tried BDS

They've gone backwards. 20 years ago palestinians were walking in and out of Israel. Thousands from Gaza entering Israel everyday. Israelis entering Gaza to shop and visit.

Time for a new approach?

 

[hussain0216]

You're perhaps slowly getting there. Okay, we've established they can't launch a war. We know that even when the Arab states were strong, Israel still won.

We know that Israel's economy has been unaffected by BDS. We know that even companies directly targeted by BDS like Elbit systems, have seen their value increase.

We know that the US has Israel's back, just as the palestinians have had the Islamic world, parts of Europe, Latin America and Africa on their side.

So the question is, does the Muslim from Bradford want to actually see a peace, or is he like the palestinians who want to keep playing BDS and UNESCO games to tarnish Israel's image, but ultimately gain nothing?

Tarnishing images is a short term gain. Germany was responsible for two world wars in which some 120 million people died - they seem to do okay these days in terms of popularity.

So I come back to my point. It's time to try something else, because stabbing Jews, digging tunnels, firing rockets and rushing the border has got them absolutely nowhere.

I will let you into a secret that the Palestinians understand
The jews do not want peace!!!! what the jews want is israel including gaza and the west bank, the problem they have is that millions of Palestinians live their and they only increase in number

The jews understand a single binational state will kill them, they cant keep pace with Palestinians numbers so if they agree to give Palestinians equal rights as equal citizens it starts the clock on the end of the jew state.

They also don't want a peace agreement or a Palestinian state, because they covet the land the Palestinians live on, if they agree to peace they have to give up land for a Palestinian state..

What they want is the status quo, to gradually try to put so much pressure on Palestinians that they break and leave, they want to gradually increase settlements, keep stealing land, create more and more of a security state that crushes Palestinians into ghettos...

Most of the things that the Israelis try to do are unnecessary from a people who would want peace or to distance themselves from an enemy.
They try to keep a tight grip on the Palestinians lives, they control their finances, their exports, imports, visitors, borders, sky above them, ground beneath them
All to retain control of the land and try to crush the Palestinians

The Palestinians acts of resistance from BDS to utilising international forums are simply time pass because they know the jews have no intention of giving them peace.
But the Palestinians also know that in
2018 they have reached population parity
By 2030 they will be the majority on current trends from then on it will only increase

They know the horrendous situation they have been thrown into, they have no option but to resist and keep living and increasing their population