Erdogan says Saudi 'put pressure' on Pakistan to withdraw from Malaysia summit: Turkish media

[Kaniska]

Who else is willing to employ 4 million Pakistanis?

Exactly...It is easy to talk and support in media that will not change anything on ground...

 

[Mugen]

Pakistan is always a slave because they haven't got a will of their own...they have no vision, nothing, just forged for the sake of religion, and will die for its sake.

I am pissed off.

 

[SIPRA]

Naah we dont have the balls.

It is not a matter of balls, but of mouth, which needs feeding.

 

[jericho]

I mean we Pakistanis are good at accepting challenges.

"Good at accepting challenges that comes back to bite us" is probably what you meant. Last I checked, literacy rate, our trade volume with other nations, etc have a long way to go before it reaches satisfactory level, did someone forget that these are actual challenges for a country? Heck, the only reason Pak is in international news at times is I think because of its military strength, otherwise even a country like Algeria which is relatively insignificant at world stage have a 4 times higher gdp per capita than Pak

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

There is no pressure on any matter from Turkey or there is not any imposition from Turkey to Pakistan. In response to the persistent question of journalists, he expresses what he knows and possibly IK's statements to him.

Why are you trying to manipulate?

Bro...retired troll is just a troll.

He remains non serious in all thread and impose ridiculous humor in every thread.

Don't take him serious.

@waz @Jungibaaz @The Eagle

Please merge this thread with this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/erdo...ver-kuala-lumpur-summit.646653/#post-11952142

 

[Lincoln]

"Good at accepting challenges that comes back to bite us" is probably what you meant. Last I checked, literacy rate, our trade volume with other nations, etc have a long way to go before it reaches satisfactory level, did someone forget that these are actual challenges for a country? Heck, the only reason Pak is in international news at times is I think because of its military strength, otherwise even a country like Algeria which is relatively insignificant at world stage have a 4 times higher gdp per capita than Pak

Per capita being the word of significance. Most countries are. Algeria also has a higher gdp per capita than India.

Thing is honour. Always in my childhood I used to read how we should and would never allow anyone to look at Pakistan with a bad eye, unfortunately we have lost that spirit.

Even Iran is struggling with these threats from Saudi Arabia and US, but by God's grace, they are still here and going strong.

Heck, our Nuclear program was started with the phrase: "Pakistanis will eat grass, but a nuclear bomb we will build." Times when benefits of country were given priority over personal benefits.

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Starlord ...This is exactly, i was referring in my another post.People blaming IK for should understand the deep rooted engagement of Arabs in economy of Pakistan...Even if Arabs do not provide any loans or any kind of assistance, but employing million of people is one kind of control that in place for Pakistan...

I know, People are not understanding the dire situation Pakistan' is in , The Irony here on those who used to criticize Pakistan over how we did not chose to stay Neutral , are now actually Criticizing Pakistan for been neutral . If we were under full GCC influence than it won't take long before we would see Pakistani Army contingent in Yemen along with a small base already setup near Yemen border, We did not Participate and we were even threaten by UAE for it .
Thing is what people are failing to understand we need GCC for now, We have a hostile India who everyday issue a new threat or do something which keep Pakistan on high alert, than we have low Reserve , we are upneck in Debts which needs to be paid, Public is upset as IK try to impose harsh laws to collect Tax, Internal Politics is going nuts , if we did not compromise on this, than in case of war we wont be able to get any Free Oil from KSA or UAE .. in all Previous war we did get Oil on deferred payments from the GCC for war and strategic reserves . And yes 4 Million workers working in KSA and GCC sending Millions of Dollars worth Revenue back to Pakistan, remove that it will have devastation consequences on Pakistan economy , we need to move from other countries pressuring us, and influencing our foreign Policy but we need to also maintain a fairly neutral stance with everyone , If the Muslim world is not divided as most of the people claim than why all the fuzz over it ? Malaysian President already said he was in Talks with MBS and IK has also done necessary calls to leaders .

Personally yes I did not like what our Govt did but it wasn't something that would end the ties between Turkey , Malaysia and Pakistan .. Pakistan-Turkey are very close, and despite setbacks still working on many Civilian and Military projects . And lets be a little blunt here Malaysia/Indonesia/Qatar/Iran wont be able to replace the importance of GCC and their Western allies for Pakistan in near Future .

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Wow....Just WOW.

Saudi PR and IMAGE taking a NOSE DIVE big time.

Coming straight from TURKISH President Erdogan.

@Taimoor Khan @Verve @StormBreaker @ARMalik @Clutch

 

[Windjammer]

Erdoğan is a very outspoken leader. He does not shy away from anything, especially bullying by states. How quick the S-400 purchase has gone with logistics shows that despite the insane amount of effort US put in. The letter Trump had sent to Erdoğan, the Government put it up online, and Erdoğan threw the letter into the bin.

I wouldn't have believed it at first but the source is TRT, Turkey's state media, and it is directly quoting President Erdoğan.

Under the circumstances, i understand that the Turkish President is assuming these facts....he could very well be right but seems that he concludes his judgement since the two Arab countries were also absent.

''Regarding the absence of Pakistan and Indonesia at the summit, the president said he would have liked to have seen them present as well. When it comes to Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates' (UAE) effect in this absence, Erdoğan stated that this is not a first for the countries since they have the tendency to put pressure on other countries in doing or not doing things.''

 

[pakpride00090]

I know, People are not understanding the dire situation Pakistan' is in , The Irony here on those who used to criticize Pakistan over how we did not chose to stay Neutral , are now actually Criticizing Pakistan for been neutral . If we were under full GCC influence than it won't take long before we would see Pakistani Army contingent in Yemen along with a small base already setup near Yemen border, We did not Participate and we were even threaten by UAE for it .
Thing is what people are failing to understand we need GCC for now, We have a hostile India who everyday issue a new threat or do something which keep Pakistan on high alert, than we have low Reserve , we are upneck in Debts which needs to be paid, Public is upset as IK try to impose harsh laws to collect Tax, Internal Politics is going nuts , if we did not compromise on this, than in case of war we wont be able to get any Free Oil from KSA or UAE .. in all Previous war we did get Oil on deferred payments from the GCC for war and strategic reserves . And yes 4 Million workers working in KSA and GCC sending Millions of Dollars worth Revenue back to Pakistan, remove that it will have devastation consequences on Pakistan economy , we need to move from other countries pressuring us, and influencing our foreign Policy but we need to also maintain a fairly neutral stance with everyone , If the Muslim world is not divided as most of the people claim than why all the fuzz over it ? Malaysian President already said he was in Talks with MBS and IK has also done necessary calls to leaders .

Personally yes I did not like what our Govt did but it wasn't something that would end the ties between Turkey , Malaysia and Pakistan .. Pakistan-Turkey are very close, and despite setbacks still working on many Civilian and Military projects . And lets be a little blunt here Malaysia/Indonesia/Qatar/Iran wont be able to replace the importance of GCC and their Western allies in near Future .

Everything in hindsight.

 

[jericho]

I wish more Pakistani's go to Turkey for work like they go in ME , I hope someday people will go to Turkey , Malaysia

Actually a lot of blue collar migrant workers (mostly Bangladeshi, Indonesian, but there are several thousand Pakistanis also) end up in Malaysia either after being cheated by deceitful agents or by their own will thinking they would get lot of money, and then they get detained and deported (if they can pay for their own return ticket) by the law enforcement over there because they don't have proper documentation or rights over there, not very different from the things you hear about labors in the middle east

 

[Kaniska]

I know, People are not understanding the dire situation Pakistan' is in , The Irony here on those who used to criticize Pakistan over how we did not chose to stay Neutral , are now actually Criticizing Pakistan for been neutral . If we were under full GCC influence than it won't take long before we would see Pakistani Army contingent in Yemen along with a small base already setup near Yemen border, We did not Participate and we were even threaten by UAE for it .
Thing is what people are failing to understand we need GCC for now, We have a hostile India who everyday issue a new threat or do something which keep Pakistan on high alert, than we have low Reserve , we are upneck in Debts which needs to be paid, Public is upset as IK try to impose harsh laws to collect Tax, Internal Politics is going nuts , if we did not compromise on this, than in case of war we wont be able to get any Free Oil from KSA or UAE .. in all Previous war we did get Oil on deferred payments from the GCC for war and strategic reserves . And yes 4 Million workers working in KSA and GCC sending Millions of Dollars worth Revenue back to Pakistan, remove that it will have devastation consequences on Pakistan economy , we need to move from other countries pressuring us, and influencing our foreign Policy but we need to also maintain a fairly neutral stance with everyone , If the Muslim world is not divided as most of the people claim than why all the fuzz over it ? Malaysian President already said he was in Talks with MBS and IK has also done necessary calls to leaders .

Personally yes I did not like what our Govt did but it wasn't something that would end the ties between Turkey , Malaysia and Pakistan .. Pakistan-Turkey are very close, and despite setbacks still working on many Civilian and Military projects . And lets be a little blunt here Malaysia/Indonesia/Qatar/Iran wont be able to replace the importance of GCC and their Western allies in near Future .

Trust me...Even the dependency of India on Gulf is not anything less either...One of the reason, Feb incident did not get into next level because UAE provided some verbal support but Gulf countries stood against India if we would initiate or aggravate the situation in Indo Pak border.Off late, due to heavy investment potential from Gulf, Gulf countries even started influencing India too.

 

[Lincoln]

Under the circumstances, i understand that the Turkish President is assuming these facts....he could very well be right but seems that he concludes his judgement since the two Arab countries were also absent.

''Regarding the absence of Pakistan and Indonesia at the summit, the president said he would have liked to have seen them present as well. When it comes to Saudi Arabia’s and United Arab Emirates' (UAE) effect in this absence, Erdoğan stated that this is not a first for the countries since they have the tendency to put pressure on other countries in doing or not doing things.''

It's quite an assumption to assume that the Turkish president is assuming. The state media has made a direct quotation.

 

[Mav3rick]

As far as I saw, there are large number of PDF members who are upset about IK's recent decision change regarding the KL-19 summit.

I translated for you the answer to the question asked about this issue, in the interview which gave to journalists on the return from the Summit.

The whole interview is here: https://www.aydinlik.com.tr/erdogan-bizim-de-yaptirimlarimiz-olacak-turkiye-aralik-2019
(Sorry, only Turkish)



QUESTION: How do you evaluate the absence of Pakistan and Indonesia from the Kuala Lumpur Summit, as a result of pressure from KSA ?

RTE: Such attitudes of the royal administrations of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are not seen for the first time, many examples. Unfortunately, we see that Saudi Arabia is putting pressure on Pakistan's will, again. Now, they have some promises to Pakistan regarding the Central Bank. (Probably what IK explained to RTE) But above all, 4 million Pakistanis work in Saudi Arabia. These people also take care of their families in Pakistan.

After this situation ( triple mechanism) they made threats our counterparts like “we send them back, we take Bangladeshi instead.”

On the other hand, in related to the KL-2019 summit; They also threatened Pakistan on economic sanction issues related to the Central Bank, such as ‘So we withdraw our money”.

As result of all of these, Pakistan, which is in serious economic difficulties, had to adopt a different attitude at this point.

In other words, praise be to Allah, they cannot come to our near with this style. It's all about posture. When there is a stance, the doors are opened with the grace of Allah. I hope that one day our brothers will realize this.

If SA threatens us with such extreme steps, can we not threaten them with an alliance with Iran and also by withdrawing our Nuclear Umbrella, removal of our Military forces from SA and by threatening Saudi Arabia with military assistance in training and intel to Iran, Turkey etc.??

Can they really afford to let us go? Seriously????

 

[YeBeWarned]

Trust me...Even the dependency of India on Gulf is not anything less either...One of the reason, Feb incident did not get into next level because UAE provided some verbal support but Gulf countries stood against India if we would initiate or aggravate the situation in Indo Pak border.Off late, due to heavy investment potential from Gulf, Gulf countries even started influencing India too.

GCC has Oil that even make US to send its troops to Protect Kingdom as a Mercenaries . Pakistan and India are nothing compared to what US is currently . I don't remember about how GCC reacted over the conflicts ( pardon my bad memory ) but I do remember that the Intel of a possible Missile Strike on 28th was re-confirmed by a GCC state , Thing is in case of war the Ocean will be chocked, PN is in position to Target Tanks traveling close to Gwadar and Oman .
Pakistan is still importing most of its oil unless we find some reserves and start extracting it we need GCC, not just for Oil but for $$$ to be injected in our Economy . People are emotional to the extend they in many case become Bad Pakistani's, with one decision took by Govt which didn't support their narrative they start Abusing Pakistan.