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Energy crisis in Pakistan might end soon, says Wall Street Journal

What, are you stupid or something? Read my signature. Their biggest achievements are listed there.

Tyrant Ayub khan lost Shaksgam Valley and East Pakistan. Tyrant Zia-ul-Haq lost Siachin Glacier. Tyrant Pervez Musharraf nearly destroyed whole of Pakistan. And, you're comparing this to building dams and building nuclear plants?.

At least use couple of brain cells in future before replying to me.
Mate our leaders of the past din't do much for power demand..... each of them should have added projects equivalent to 10-15000MW..... What about Benazir did she add 10-15k MW?
 
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Mate our leaders of the past din't do much for power demand..... each of them should have added projects equivalent to 10-15000MW..... What about Benazir did she add 10-15k MW?

Had the corrupt Pakistani military not interfered some much in politics (with coups and murder) since independence and directly ruling for more than 36-years with so much loss of it's territory and economy, Pakistan wouldn't have had to keep trying to climb out of the regression that the Pakistani military lands the country into in every decade.
 
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What, are you stupid or something? Read my signature. Their biggest achievements are listed there.

Tyrant Ayub khan lost Shaksgam Valley and East Pakistan. Tyrant Zia-ul-Haq lost Siachin Glacier. Tyrant Pervez Musharraf nearly destroyed whole of Pakistan. And, you're comparing this to building dams and building nuclear plants?.

At least use couple of brain cells in future before replying to me.

Ah personal attacks and name calling shows the weakeness in the opponents arguments. I think you should use a couple of your cells and read the post to which I was replying ... it was about dams and power gen - something which you were praising NS for, and critiquing our tyrants for not even adding "10 Giga Watts " each.
Glad that you couldn't dispute any of these Tyrants achievements I had listed. And, yes defeating a super power like USSR and completing the nuclear program of a muslim country is not a small achievement. Your NS takes credit just for exploding nukes in 1998.

Shaksgam valley: Bhutto was the foreign minister as well who negotiated with China.
East Pakistan? You talk about that and not include Bhutto and the attitude of civil beaurucracy right from Pakistans inception towards Bengalis?

About to your sig: These dictators have done more harm by polluting the political system and parties. I would suggest the following additions to your sig:
Ayub Khan, for subverting the constitution, used immoral & illegal means to defeat Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah (Khurram dastagir currently in pmln, his father openly abused that honorable woman in public)
Z Bhutto: More than 50,000 political prisoners in his time and one of the main culprits for breaking Pakistan
Ziaul Haq: Radicalized our society, subverted constitution, and polluted politics by introducing his political test tube bastard baby Nawaz Sharif and co, supported/created MQM against PPP.

Anyway, I was really amazed by seeing love and praise for Nawaz Sharif, and curses and hatered for Ziaul haq in a single post. The contradictions in your post were quite amusing.
 
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Had the corrupt Pakistani military not interfered some much in politics (with coups and murder) since independence and directly ruling for more than 36-years with so much loss of it's territory and economy, Pakistan wouldn't have had to keep trying to climb out of the regression that the Pakistani military lands the country into in every decade.

Your signature is more stupid than your comments others are laughing but I'm kinda fed up with ur bullcrap.
Btw Waziristan is till part of PAkistan, India does'nt have land trail to Siachen since 1984 they have to take chopper to reach there as Pakistan is on Gyong La Pass.

American supported jamhuri jerks don't know how panama Sharif/bhutto-zardari screwed Pakistan.

These jamhuriat animals invented food inflation (Mehengayi) with their policies and encouraged corruption which has eaten up most of the institutions in Pakistan

ZArdARI consolidated American interference into Pakistan brought CNN back in 1989/90 into Pak airwaves when Pakistan had one channel.

Zardari or Mr. 10% stopped Pak govt. to manufacture electricity plants in 1994 and pushed IPPs [Private power plant act] to manufacture as to gain commission and put Pakistan into electricity dead cycle where it is today. Panama Sharif brought sugar mill and spearheaded food inflation, his taxi scheme from flopped hyundai daewoo crap also endouraged substandard makers like suzuki to continue stopping reconditioned better cars into Pakistan. Education, healthcare, every sector has 92 % corruption (acc to IMF) with politically appointed animals destroying from PIA to Steel mill and this idiot is celebrating.
I am priveliged to have lived in GEn. Zia ul Haq time when he managed all 'institutions' in Pakistan,, u had the best squash, cricket, hockey, strong middle class [lower food inflation], even groups like Vital Signs, Nazia Hassan, who opposed him but still benefited, google Pakistan's GDP of that era to this har**mkhor jamhuriat.
Our standing in the world we were way better than where we are today owning a house is now a dream, Gen. Zia is only leader who pardoned debt of lower middle calss middle class house loans. In his lifetime, made Pakistan a substantial nuclear power with enough warheads to dissuade intl. comunity to place sanctions at their own peril.
Pakistan has descended cos of these feudal chamchas and 1988-99, 2008-17 Pak economy actually contracted and food inflation rose the most. Nawaz Sharif is no better but most ppl vote for him to keep away Zardari. Pakistan is a pariah with no one to look upto in all fields sports compared to the 80s best minds are overseas we are in a sick situation but the lotas and chamchas of feudal jamhuriyat try to rub salt into average Pakistani's wound with this bullsh*t.

As they say counting eggs before they hatch, Pakistan thanx to again this jamhuriat has'nt had an distribution line upgrade since 80s.

China has proposed a 660 KV line but it still under planning to transfer electricity to LAhore from Sindh it'll greatly reduce line losses, bugt the current manpower doubt they can complete this task they need at least 5 years to rectify and improve transmission lines. They can have many power plants but if the distribution setup is faulty still the consumers will suffer power cuts.

Good development is the circular debt based on parties like PSO would'nt be there as the source of energy is being replaced to thermal coal which will be imported from Indonesia it is extremely cheap for eletricity producers but doubt end-users will benefit given our jamhuriat pivot towards fat corporate sharks earnings.
 
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This is the full story:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-turns-to-china-in-energy-binge-1482062404

Pakistan Turns to China in Energy Binge
Prime Minister Sharif tries to revive economy—and his re-election bid—with $21 billion electricity plan


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An electricity generation plant under construction by a Chinese company at Port Qasim, Karachi, Pakistan.

KARACHI, Pakistan—When Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif came to office in 2013, rolling power outages across the country were plunging homes and businesses into darkness for up to 12 hours a day.

Now the Pakistani leader is betting on a $21 billion Chinese-backed splurge on energy projects to boost the economy—and his re-election bid.

More than 10,000 Chinese workers are now building at least 10 partly Beijing-financed energy projects across Pakistan that are set to grow the country’s energy output by 60% within two years in the first major boost to supply in two decades.Mr. Sharif’s government plans to inaugurate a nuclear plant this month and a pipeline network in January that will carry large-scale gas imports upcountry.

“Never in the history of Pakistan has there been such a big package of electricity plants in the pipeline,” said Syed Akhtar Ali, in charge of energy at the Planning Commission, the ministry tasked with long-term development.

Mr. Sharif’s promise to solve the electricity crisis propelled him to office at a time when the energy deficit was knocking some 2 percentage points off growth, economists say, stifling industry and leaving school children to study by candlelight.

Pakistan’s economic growth has risen to almost 5% annually under Mr. Sharif and his government set a 7% target for the years ahead. That, his government hopes, will boost the moribund private sector, reduce unemployment and provide youth with more alternatives to extremism.

The energy plan is a centerpiece of that economic aspiration. Mr. Sharif is racing to fulfill his pledge and become the first incumbent to be re-elected in a country whose voters—or the interventionist military—have long ousted its leaders for their poor performance. Mr. Sharif, who led Pakistan twice before in the 1990s, hasn’t previously even completed a term in office.

“Electric power is going to be the swing factor in the election,” said Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, the minister for petroleum. “If we don’t deliver on power, we won’t be seen as having delivered.”

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Mr. Sharif’s plan depends heavily on China, which is translating its long-term strategic ties with Pakistan into an economic partnership, part of a broader infrastructure push across Eurasia. China is financing many plants as commercial investments. But to expedite projects, the Pakistani government is funding some power stations in the run up to the election, including three gas-fired plants in Mr. Sharif’s home province of Punjab. The eventual aim is to more than double Pakistan’s current output of around 16,000 megawatts.

By comparison, Washington’s multibillion-dollar civilian aid program for Pakistan has been far less ambitious, adding 1,000 megawatts to the country’s power generation in recent years by enhancing existing power stations.

The plan is to add 10,000 megawatts of the new China-backed infrastructure, a mixture of coal, gas and hydro electricity, by early 2018, months before elections, at a cost of $21 billion. The schedule is tight. The massive amounts of natural gas and coal needed for the plants require an extensive delivery system of ports, pipelines and railways. The country also needs to upgrade its power distribution network to be able to carry the extra electricity.

“My concern is that gaps in longer term planning, including much needed structural, regulatory and market reforms, will once again fall by the wayside in the euphoria of having achieved a temporary electricity supply surplus,” said Jamil Masud, a partner at Hagler Bailly Pakistan, an energy consultancy,

The projects could become a political issue. The Chinese-financed plants enjoy a generous return guaranteed by Islamabad. Less highly populated provinces complain that Mr. Sharif’s Punjab has scooped an unfair share of the projects. Beyond the election, billions of dollars of more Chinese power projects are also planned.

At Karachi’s Port Qasim, a $2 billion coal-fired plant is taking shape. After only 1.5 years under construction, one 400-foot high cooling tower is up and the second is almost complete. The hulking metal frames for the boilers are in place and a jetty for imported coal is taking shape. Around 4,000 people work on the site, 24 hours a day—half of them Chinese workers who aren’t allowed to step outside its boundary.

On the other side of the port, a massive tanker ship serves as a terminal for liquefied natural gas imports, which are piped across Pakistan. Three more terminals are planned by the government.

The Chinese hope that, over time, greater economic success for its Pakistani ally will act as a source of stability and help to de-radicalize society, said Andrew Small, author of The China-Pakistan Axis.

“If you have a more normalized Pakistani economy and closer economic linkages within the region, this will at least mitigate some of the long standing conflictual tendencies that exist there,” he said.

giving Nawaz Sharif some credit here
 
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Prime Minister (PM) Nawaz Sharif zindabad!
For completing projects started by others?

Had the corrupt Pakistani military not interfered some much in politics (with coups and murder) since independence and directly ruling for more than 36-years with so much loss of it's territory and economy, Pakistan wouldn't have had to keep trying to climb out of the regression that the Pakistani military lands the country into in every decade.
we got into this mess because of high oil prices and are about to get out of it because of low oil prices
 
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Tyrant Ayub khan lost Shaksgam Valley

Lost? Do you even know what the shaksgam tract was? Foolishness to the core. Its was border demarcation and the defining of the border between two states. One state had shown that it can go to any lengths to claim its land and the other was extremely weak. Its bcz of that tract your nawax Sharif boasts about great friendship higher than mountain and deeper than seas stuff. It solves our border issue and allowed us to trade the valley for China's part amounting to 1972 kmsq². There was no war so there was no losing but wilful demarcation. That was grazing land received but its nothing compared to the political and military doors it opened between the two nations.

Let me put it into your head. No shaksgam treaty and we would have three neighbors with disputes. India, Afghanistan and China and let's say China didn't invade annex shaksgam or other portions of gilgit and azad Kashmir and we made it to 2015. Can you imagine the situation where the US hates, China hates us, india hates us. That means no CPEC, no JF17 and no peace and investments we are enjoying. Foolishness is engrained in blind N supporters. First educate yourself and then come here otherwise you would make a fool of yourself. You also very conveniently left out the Indus water treaty as well that stopped india from blocking all our rivers. That was done by ayub.

Ayub did many things wrong but in your lack of education you attribute what he did right rather than highlight his wrongs.



@Zibago either our education system is a complete failure that we produce gems like this or I am simply dealing with a paid troll.
 
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Lost? Do you even know what the shaksgam tract was? Foolishness to the core. Its was border demarcation and the defining of the border between two states. One state had shown that it can go to any lengths to claim its land and the other was extremely weak. Its bcz of that tract your nawax Sharif boasts about great friendship higher than mountain and deeper than seas stuff. It solves our border issue and allowed us to trade the valley for China's part amounting to 1972 kmsq². There was no war so there was no losing but wilful demarcation. That was grazing land received but its nothing compared to the political and military doors it opened between the two nations.

Let me put it into your head. No shaksgam treaty and we would have three neighbors with disputes. India, Afghanistan and China and let's say China didn't invade annex shaksgam or other portions of gilgit and azad Kashmir and we made it to 2015. Can you imagine the situation where the US hates, China hates us, india hates us. That means no CPEC, no JF17 and no peace and investments we are enjoying. Foolishness is engrained in blind N supporters. First educate yourself and then come here otherwise you would make a fool of yourself. You also very conveniently left out the Indus water treaty as well that stopped india from blocking all our rivers. That was done by ayub.

Ayub did many things wrong but in your lack of education you attribute what he did right rather than highlight his wrongs.



@Zibago either our education system is a complete failure that we produce gems like this or I am simply dealing with a paid troll.
Paid media cell goons
 
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Paid media cell goons

Another for the Ignore list. I don't mind paid goon but he has to make sense and has to be fair and has to be unbiased and one can defend N or PTI by being impartial.
 
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Ah personal attacks and name calling shows the weakeness in the opponents arguments. I think you should use a couple of your cells and read the post to which I was replying ... it was about dams and power gen - something which you were praising NS for, and critiquing our tyrants for not even adding "10 Giga Watts " each.
Glad that you couldn't dispute any of these Tyrants achievements I had listed. And, yes defeating a super power like USSR and completing the nuclear program of a muslim country is not a small achievement. Your NS takes credit just for exploding nukes in 1998.

Shaksgam valley: Bhutto was the foreign minister as well who negotiated with China.
East Pakistan? You talk about that and not include Bhutto and the attitude of civil beaurucracy right from Pakistans inception towards Bengalis?

About to your sig: These dictators have done more harm by polluting the political system and parties. I would suggest the following additions to your sig:
Ayub Khan, for subverting the constitution, used immoral & illegal means to defeat Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah (Khurram dastagir currently in pmln, his father openly abused that honorable woman in public)
Z Bhutto: More than 50,000 political prisoners in his time and one of the main culprits for breaking Pakistan
Ziaul Haq: Radicalized our society, subverted constitution, and polluted politics by introducing his political test tube bastard baby Nawaz Sharif and co, supported/created MQM against PPP.

Anyway, I was really amazed by seeing love and praise for Nawaz Sharif, and curses and hatered for Ziaul haq in a single post. The contradictions in your post were quite amusing.

Your signature is more stupid than your comments others are laughing but I'm kinda fed up with ur bullcrap.
Btw Waziristan is till part of PAkistan, India does'nt have land trail to Siachen since 1984 they have to take chopper to reach there as Pakistan is on Gyong La Pass.

American supported jamhuri jerks don't know how panama Sharif/bhutto-zardari screwed Pakistan.

These jamhuriat animals invented food inflation (Mehengayi) with their policies and encouraged corruption which has eaten up most of the institutions in Pakistan

ZArdARI consolidated American interference into Pakistan brought CNN back in 1989/90 into Pak airwaves when Pakistan had one channel.

Zardari or Mr. 10% stopped Pak govt. to manufacture electricity plants in 1994 and pushed IPPs [Private power plant act] to manufacture as to gain commission and put Pakistan into electricity dead cycle where it is today. Panama Sharif brought sugar mill and spearheaded food inflation, his taxi scheme from flopped hyundai daewoo crap also endouraged substandard makers like suzuki to continue stopping reconditioned better cars into Pakistan. Education, healthcare, every sector has 92 % corruption (acc to IMF) with politically appointed animals destroying from PIA to Steel mill and this idiot is celebrating.
I am priveliged to have lived in GEn. Zia ul Haq time when he managed all 'institutions' in Pakistan,, u had the best squash, cricket, hockey, strong middle class [lower food inflation], even groups like Vital Signs, Nazia Hassan, who opposed him but still benefited, google Pakistan's GDP of that era to this har**mkhor jamhuriat.
Our standing in the world we were way better than where we are today owning a house is now a dream, Gen. Zia is only leader who pardoned debt of lower middle calss middle class house loans. In his lifetime, made Pakistan a substantial nuclear power with enough warheads to dissuade intl. comunity to place sanctions at their own peril.
Pakistan has descended cos of these feudal chamchas and 1988-99, 2008-17 Pak economy actually contracted and food inflation rose the most. Nawaz Sharif is no better but most ppl vote for him to keep away Zardari. Pakistan is a pariah with no one to look upto in all fields sports compared to the 80s best minds are overseas we are in a sick situation but the lotas and chamchas of feudal jamhuriyat try to rub salt into average Pakistani's wound with this bullsh*t.

As they say counting eggs before they hatch, Pakistan thanx to again this jamhuriat has'nt had an distribution line upgrade since 80s.

China has proposed a 660 KV line but it still under planning to transfer electricity to LAhore from Sindh it'll greatly reduce line losses, bugt the current manpower doubt they can complete this task they need at least 5 years to rectify and improve transmission lines. They can have many power plants but if the distribution setup is faulty still the consumers will suffer power cuts.

Good development is the circular debt based on parties like PSO would'nt be there as the source of energy is being replaced to thermal coal which will be imported from Indonesia it is extremely cheap for eletricity producers but doubt end-users will benefit given our jamhuriat pivot towards fat corporate sharks earnings.

Lost? Do you even know what the shaksgam tract was? Foolishness to the core. Its was border demarcation and the defining of the border between two states. One state had shown that it can go to any lengths to claim its land and the other was extremely weak. Its bcz of that tract your nawax Sharif boasts about great friendship higher than mountain and deeper than seas stuff. It solves our border issue and allowed us to trade the valley for China's part amounting to 1972 kmsq². There was no war so there was no losing but wilful demarcation. That was grazing land received but its nothing compared to the political and military doors it opened between the two nations.

Let me put it into your head. No shaksgam treaty and we would have three neighbors with disputes. India, Afghanistan and China and let's say China didn't invade annex shaksgam or other portions of gilgit and azad Kashmir and we made it to 2015. Can you imagine the situation where the US hates, China hates us, india hates us. That means no CPEC, no JF17 and no peace and investments we are enjoying. Foolishness is engrained in blind N supporters. First educate yourself and then come here otherwise you would make a fool of yourself. You also very conveniently left out the Indus water treaty as well that stopped india from blocking all our rivers. That was done by ayub.

Ayub did many things wrong but in your lack of education you attribute what he did right rather than highlight his wrongs.



@Zibago either our education system is a complete failure that we produce gems like this or I am simply dealing with a paid troll.

So much detailed baqwas from the three brothers. Where's the post which clarifies how the three tyrants Ayub Khan, Zil-ul-Haq and Pervez Musharraf managed to generate 30 Gigawatts of electricity in the country during their 30+ years of draconian military rule?

Again, try using couple of your brain cells before replying.
 
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I am politically agnostic.... Hate all of them with the same passion and i hate all Pak political parties.... I will never be a Dalit personality worshiper. I am fearlessly a free person never on my knees for any human.

But even I have to admit; Nawaz Sharif has done a pretty good job on the economic front ... he deserves a second term 2018.


OK I will agree that he has done a good job in initiating electricity projects, but in overall economic factors he has been dreadful. Even some of the electrical projects are being rushed due to bad management and corruption, and also because it's the only way for NS to win re-election.

So in terms of the economy, exports in the financial year 2016 had dropped to $20.8 billion, for comparison the last year of PPP governance saw exports at $24.5 billion

In fact, slightly more shocking is the fact that foreign remittance are currently $19.9 billion, meaning that money coming from expats are almost the same as the total economic output of the entire country. :o:

The economic policy of the Chamber of commerce was delayed for 9 months, and after that businessmen claimed:

" the Trade Development Authority of Pakistan (TDAP) did nothing last year except to hold exhibitions in Tajikistan and some other Russian states. "

According to the Ease of Doing Business Index, Pakistan's ranking was 107 in 2013, and has sharply declined to a ranking of 144 in 2016.

Here are two quotes regarding the business environment in 2015

"Many companies find problems with the speed in which tasks are accomplished in Pakistan. With an energy crisis leaving many without power for hours a day and oil and gas shortages as just the tip of the iceberg; it is corruption that many are finding a problem in Pakistan"

"Walt Disney pulled approximately$200 Million dollars worth of yearly textile production from Pakistan and put the country on a banned list of approved supplier countries. The company labeled Pakistan as a risk to their flow of business."

Corruption, administration, debt, and economic performance are all things that have gotten worse over the last year. It makes sense given the staggering amount of incompetence displayed in PMLN senior leadership. What little economic successes we do have is solely due to the Army operation bringing law and order to Karachi and Khyber, yet still PMLN are trying their hardest to prevent an operation in Punjab?

How has Nawaz done any good for this country? By this rate, we should reach Zardari levels of neglect in about a year or two.
 
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So much detailed baqwas from the three brothers. Where's the post which clarifies how the three tyrants Ayub Khan, Zil-ul-Haq and Pervez Musharraf managed to generate 30 Gigawatts of electricity in the country during their 30+ years of draconian military rule?

Again, try using couple of your brain cells before replying.
all hail to china not any mofo baldie
 
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So much detailed baqwas from the three brothers. Where's the post which clarifies how the three tyrants Ayub Khan, Zil-ul-Haq and Pervez Musharraf managed to generate 30 Gigawatts of electricity in the country during their 30+ years of draconian military rule?

Again, try using couple of your brain cells before replying.

Should people to your post or your signature please decide that first. My first reply was to your idiotic question of 30 gigawatts; why the Hell 30 only I have no idea ... Thats an absurd benchmark you have apparently chosen. But then you started ranting about losing teritory etc. so here is my reply again andlooking at the shortage of brain cells I would add more details this time: first pakistans entire power gen capacity till 2014 was around 20 gw. So why the hell do you want 30 GW by these three? Obviously 30 gw wanst added otherwise our total generation would have been greated that 20 gw?? You generate energy based on your demand; I believe in 60s (Ayub) and 80s (zia) there wasnt much load shedding as the supply and demand was being adequately met. In fact we already have enough generation capacity today, but due to thefts and losses, and issues of power economics (most IPPs inefficient and run on expensive thermal fuels which makes them cost prohibitive to use: thanks to gernails of PPP) we end up with load shedding.
Your first beloved tyrant Ayub: created mangla and tarbela dam: dams not only store water but can also be used to generate power. Currently they generate 3400 + 1000 Mw = 4400 MW (4.4 giga watts). Thats just these two dams built by Ayub, surely there should be more.
Zia ul haq: I think for him giving us our beloved quaid e azam sani and asian nelson Mandela Nawaz & Shahbaz Shariff is enough for us.

( note: most big dams were built by our tyrants ... but for now dont have time to dig each power station for replying to a paid troll.By the way the highest gdp growth rate has been under these tyrants. )
 
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I always find it amusing when they say Pakistan will have huge surplus power in few years.. Lets see ..

In today's news (https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/174606-Power-generation-up) it says for the month of November power consumption of Pakistan is 6840 Million Units. In the same time Andhra Pradesh (a state in India) with 1/5th the population of Pakistan spent 4687.9 Million Units. In this state there is no power shortage according to the established norms which is 24/7 power to house holds and 7 hours power to Agriculture. For this state to give 24/7 power to everything irrespective of the consumer it takes few more years.

Another thing is as people's prosperity increases their need for Power Increases so it is a chicken and egg thing to say we have surplus power. The moment there is good power supply people will start building factories small scale industries that will increase the burden on power requirement... To reach a saturation point (where you say yes we do not need to build any more power plants) is also dangerous as at that point growth will stagnate. It takes lots of planning, forecasting and economic models to ramp up the power production to keep up with the future demand.

Never should/would third world countries think they solved power crisis with one sweep of magic wand. It should be a sustained struggle for many many years.
 
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