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Dr Masooda Bano

The government having ordered the Lal Masjid operation and the section of the intelligentsia that supported the operation’s need to explain to the rest of the public as to how the strategy of using force to crush the so called ‘Islamic militancy’ is paying off. As predicted, the ruthless operation at the Lal Masjid, where state used weapons so lethal against its own citizens that the victims could not be identified, has led to a reactionary sentiment among the religious groups that is shaking the very foundation of this country. Pakistan is in headline news in western papers every other day. At Oxford, no day goes by without an academic or a student asking with concern about the country and about one’s family. It is clear to all that Pakistan is heading nowhere. Yet, the country’s rulers are adamant on repeating the same mistakes.

The attack on a vehicle carrying trainee flying officers in Sarghoda is the latest in the row of suicide attacks. At a time when the army gunship helicopters are attacking followers of Maulana Fazalullah in Swat, Pakistan Air Force seems a likely target for registering resistance. The suicide attacks on the military targets since the Lal Masjid operation have not only become very frequent, they have also become very lethal in most cases resulting in high military death toll. Now that the government is trying to repeat the same operation in Swat, the question is what is it aiming to achieve? It is clear that the military operations are increasing rather than decreasing militancy. There is a clear chain establishing the reactionary nature of this resistance.

Those who engaged with Abdul Rashid Ghazi know that while the secular sections could only see him as a bigoted mullah keen to impose Sharia, he and his students did link their resistance to operations in the tribal areas. Ghazi himself had strong networks within the tribal areas and many girls at the Jamia Hafsa were from there and NWFP. The resistance of Lal Masjid was a reaction to the operations in the tribal areas. The current resistance of Maulana Fazlullah and his followers in Swat is a reaction to the Lal Masjid operation and so are the increased numbers of suicide attacks on the military targets. And meanwhile, the resistance within the tribal belt is in full bloom under Baitullah Mehsud. It is not difficult to image what would be the end result of current military operations in Swat.

The recent post-September rise of militancy in Pakistan is a clear sign that the use of force by Pakistani army against its own people is not going to check militancy. The people who are today being called militants have grown up in this country and were part of it prior to September 11 too. But, we did not have the problem of suicide bombing before General Musharraf agreed to participate in the US-led ‘war on terror.’ Clearly, the military operations have preceded the militancy. If the Pakistani government had not sworn allegiance to the US, and had not deployed military troops in the tribal belt, the militancy that is dominating Pakistan today would not have come to rise. People can be religious, they can be pro-Taliban. But, that in itself does not mean that they can be killed.

It is strange how the terms ‘pro-Talibans’ and ‘Pakistani Taliban’ are nowadays used for any one resisting the military operations and once the label is given it is assumed that these people deserve to die. Who were the Taliban? And what was their crime? If they imposed strict version of Sharia then does it mean they can be killed. There have to be other means to negotiate a middle ground between those who want to live under Sharia and those who want a liberal lifestyle. To think that the solution rests in whipping out anyone wanting to live by Islamic code of life through gunship helicopters can only lead to the chaos that currently epitomizes Pakistan.

There is urgent need to shift the emphasis from use of force to dialogue, diplomacy, and better intelligence gathering. It is important to remember that it is no longer purely a religious resistance either. Pushtoon society is known for its emphasis on ‘honour’ and ‘revenge.’ If the military carries on such indiscriminate attacks, which result in many civilian casualties, the retaliation will harden. It has become critical that rather than unquestioningly following American demands for carrying out these operations, the government actually focuses on developing an international diplomatic strategy to convince the west that making Pakistani military operate against its own people wont resolve militancy in the country. After all, the west cannot be blamed for making these demands if there is no resistance registered from the Pakistani government side.

End military operations
 
No need for another thread on Lal Masjid. But the author poses the question "what has the government gained by using force to crush the lal masjid militants"? What a silly question. Had the government not acted, then we'd have a vigilante government dictating its own laws, the government having another set of laws. Which laws would people need to follow, just think of the confusion!

I'll just go through his first paragraph (dont have time for the rest)

The government having ordered the Lal Masjid operation and the section of the intelligentsia that supported the operation&#8217;s need to explain to the rest of the public as to how the strategy of using force to crush the so called &#8216;Islamic militancy&#8217; is paying off. As predicted, the ruthless operation at the Lal Masjid, where state used weapons so lethal against its own citizens that the victims could not be identified, has led to a reactionary sentiment among the religious groups that is shaking the very foundation of this country.

Good, religious parties need t know they're not in charge, a moderate government is. I would agree some shaking up needs to be done, and the influence of the religious parties in Pakistani politics, needs to be eliminated. They will just regress everything, and wreck the economy, like they have done locally in the NWFP.

Pakistan is in headline news in western papers every other day. At Oxford, no day goes by without an academic or a student asking with concern about the country and about one&#8217;s family.

Wow. This is news to me. Hardly anyone I know mentions much about their relatives. Is all the fighting in the Punjab and Sindh now?

It is clear to all that Pakistan is heading nowhere. Yet, the country&#8217;s rulers are adamant on repeating the same mistakes."

Heading nowhere indeed. Just the second fastest growing country, and the new "Asian Tiger" according to investors and the World Bank.

Please, spare me the nonsense.
 
Miitary operations need to be stepped up. The menace that is Al Q needs to be eliminated from the whole of Pakistan. Else the suicide bombings will not stop.
 
Miitary operations need to be stepped up. The menace that is Al Q needs to be eliminated from the whole of Pakistan. Else the suicide bombings will not stop.

I second that, increased military actions against the talibans till they are eliminated from our soil is the only solution to the problem.
No matter what the perception of Pakistan may be today we're a moderate society and average Pakistani is not a jihadist or a taliban sympathist, we all want to get rid of them!

What we need is public and parliamentary debate to review our policy and maybe amend the consitution and isolate the radical religious parties and move on with our lives.
 
I love this line of reasoning, "because they are attacking us, killing us, innocent and soldier alike", we should stop fighting them.

I have about had it with the ludicrous commentary in the media as well, with all and sundry saying, "agr whahan kay logon ko shariat chahiye to kyoon nahin day datay?"

If the people want shariat, then they have every right to elect representatives who can work towards that goal in parliament. They do not have the right to start attacking police and military check posts, blowing up barber, video and music shops and threatening schools. All of us want changes of some fashion or the other in the system, all of us suffer to some degree because of its flaws, but that is no justification for the kind of mayhem and murder these people have wrought.

We can talk when they unilaterally and unconditionally lay down their arms.
 
Hi,

I never thought that I would be saying that---but pakistani millitary is putting in the same half-hearted effort as the american forces are doing on the other side of the fence---actually it is not the millitary who wants to do that but rather the people in the adminstration---the politicians-----like Ch Shujaat, Tariq Azim, Ijaz ul Haque, and co.

A millitary action starts, within a day or two into the action, without its goal being accomplished, the action is stopped and a jirga takes place----an age old round of deception---- as the millitary stops its action, the taliban get the room and time to re-group, move out of the area or mix with the local populace and disappear, while the paid jirga is holding the millitary down.

With every loss, the taliban are learning new things as well. They are learning how the millitary acts and moves around and how the millitary supply line works, where are the strong points and where are the weak links and how to manipulate the weaker links. You can't give the enemy too much time or space to manevour around you.

Regarding Red Mosque---Ijaz ul Haque was the biggest culprit in holding back police action. The first time when the fanatics attacked local shops and created anarchy, the police / millitary should have struck real hard and real strong and neutralized the issue. Anywhere, any place, this story is repeated over and over---the action comes in too late---it is always half hearted, ill-planned and ill-concieved.

If the reaction in swat is related to the red mosque events, then I was right when I wrote that these young fanatics were as deadly as anyone else and the supreme court should not have interfered for any reason in this issue with the federales. Very very immature decision by the judges.
 
Dear All,
instead of getting all worked-up and emotional, woudnt it be better to actually discuss why all this (military action) is taking place.
It is very simply the apathy (non-action) of the local administrations in these tribal areas. take the example of Swat. this talibanisation started in 1994, 13 years ago. what action has the govt-in-charge of the time taken to ensure the writ of the govt over these elements --> absolutely NIL. this provided the un-encumbered playing field to these jihadists to get a strong foothold within the local population by taking over the mosques and preaching their brand of radical islam and the unfortunate,simple-minded, peace-loving population fell into their trap.
cutting a long story short, all hell has broken loose and the only way we can (GoP) is to take sustained military action against these elements and eliminate them. this is unpopular but it has to be done. this is the 1st stage. stage 2 is the economic and social development of the area (schools, hospitals, clean water, roads, elections etc). it has to be a sustained effort and it will take time. NO civilian govt (if it comes to power) will have the stomach to take these 2 steps for their own internal weaknesses. Pres. Musharraf needs to take more action.
thx for the time to read this.
 
All the neo con pakistanis that love war against there own people so much should either join the army or at least get there children to join and be sent the front line....why dont you show us by example....lead the way.
 
All the neo con pakistanis that love war against there own people so much should either join the army or at least get there children to join and be sent the front line....why dont you show us by example....lead the way.

no.1 - i dont have a policy of making personal attacks.

no.2 - you have the right to your opinion but i am just stating facts and not living in a fantasy world of democracy in which all our ills will vanish instantly.
 
All the neo con pakistanis that love war against there own people so much should either join the army or at least get there children to join and be sent the front line....why dont you show us by example....lead the way.

this has nothing to do with being neo con i dont want to live under mullah rule. let me tell you that if we let them do what they are doing soon they will rooming the streets and coming into our houses and telling us how to live and how to look then ill ask you how much you love your fellow pakistani when they are threatening you to keep a beard or else they will behead you.
you people on the left think that if we let them live everything will be hunky dory and everything will just go away. guess what brother we tried that during the nintees and it didnt work what makes you think that this will.
 
Waziristan truce went wrong: Gen Ehsan -DAWN - National; November 03, 2007

Waziristan truce went wrong: Gen Ehsan

By Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Nov 2: Al Qaeda and Taliban militants used a 2006 peace agreement to regroup and carry out terrorist attacks in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, says Gen Ehsan ul-Haq, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee.

&#8220;The implementation [of the agreement] needed to be better monitored,&#8221; Gen Ehsan told editors and reporters at The Washington Times.

&#8220;Very early, the violations should have been taken notice of [so that the extremists understood] that even the smallest violations would not be tolerated.&#8221; Pakistan had signed the peace agreement with tribal elders in North Waziristan to win cooperation of Pashtun tribes in halting cross-border attacks on NATO troops and the Afghan army.

Initially, the Bush administration was reluctant to endorse the agreement, fearing that it would allow the militants to regroup and re-emerge. But during a visit to Washington in 2006, President Pervez Musharraf persuaded President George W. Bush to approve the move.

Gen Ehsan said that poor implementation of the peace deal forced Pakistan to deploy nearly 100,000 troops to battle pro-Taliban militants in the region.

He blamed foreign fighters and Taliban sympathisers for using the truce not only to attack Afghanistan, but also to impose Taliban-style tactics in Pakistan, such as beheading people accused of being agents of the army or the Americans.

In time it became clear that the strategy had to be changed, he said, &#8220;but we still didn&#8217;t want the onus of breaking the agreement to come on us.

So the day [tribal leaders] said the agreement was broken, the army went in.&#8221; The agreement collapsed in early July when Pakistani commandos stormed the Red Mosque in Islamabad. Tribal leaders responded by scrapping the agreement. Since then, more than 700 civilians and soldiers have been killed in suicide attacks, roadside bombings and rocket attacks, while a full-blown insurgency has erupted in parts of the NWFP.

Although US officials and the media have long blamed the agreement for troubles along the Pak-Afghan border, this is the first time that a senior Pakistani official, even though retired, has admitted that the truce went wrong.

Prior to his retirement last month, Gen Ehsan oversaw three major military offensives in the northwest tribal areas of North and South Waziristan.

Gen Ehsan said the army had no choice in sending troops into the northwest. &#8220;We do consider extremism and terrorism to be the highest-priority threat to the security and well-being of Pakistan,&#8221; he said.

He rejected claims by critics that Pakistan is simply responding to pressure from the United States by cracking down on pro-Taliban militants. &#8220;We are looking at it primarily as to what is in the best interests of Pakistan,&#8221; he said. It is critical for Pakistan to &#8220;get hold of its internal security environment&#8221;.
 
no.1 - i dont have a policy of making personal attacks.

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no.2 - you have the right to your opinion but i am just stating facts and not living in a fantasy world of democracy in which all our ills will vanish instantly.

Are you trying to tell me that pakistan under the dictatorship of musharraf is in a more stable situation then it was under the 10 years of democratic rule that preceded him?
 
Are you trying to tell me that pakistan under the dictatorship of musharraf is in a more stable situation then it was under the 10 years of democratic rule that preceded him?

Well that's pretty silly. Reason it was more stable before Musharraf was because the Al Q nuts were festering in Afghanistan. If the Americans had not invaded Afghanistan, the cause of the instability (Al Q), would not have moved into Pakistan. However, economically and politically (the things that could be controlled), things have become much better under Musharraf.
 
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Are you trying to tell me that pakistan under the dictatorship of musharraf is in a more stable situation then it was under the 10 years of democratic rule that preceded him?

well lets see...

democracy
GDP: 2.5% growth
dictatorship
GDP: 7.0% growth
democracy
FX reserves: 0.5 Billion (2-weeks of imports)
dictatorship
FX reserves:16.0 Billion (52-weeks of imports)
democracy:
sanctions: yes
dictatorship
sanctions: no
democracy
FDI: 0.2 billion
dictatorship
FDI:2.0 billion
democracy
law & order: poor
dictatorship
law & order: poor
democracy
freedom of press/media: only PTV
dictatorship
freedon of press/media: at least 45 licences approved
democracy
Exports: 8.0 billion
dictatorship
Exports: 16.0 billion
democracy
Cease-fire across the LoC: no
dictatorship
Cease-fire across the LoC: yes - 2 yrs and holding
democracy
trade with India: 0.2 billion
dictatorship
trade with India: 1.5 billion

i can keep on going....sure things are not what we want with regards to war on terror/extremists but it is not the only game in town!
 
well lets see...

democracy
GDP: 2.5% growth
dictatorship
GDP: 7.0% growth
democracy
FX reserves: 0.5 Billion (2-weeks of imports)
dictatorship
FX reserves:16.0 Billion (52-weeks of imports)
democracy:
sanctions: yes
dictatorship
sanctions: no
democracy
FDI: 0.2 billion
dictatorship
FDI:2.0 billion!


Wow......if a democratic govt had sold out totally as mushy has done in the war on terror,it would have been the same if not better.
Please tell us why pakistan is in more debt now then it was under a democratic setup.



democracy
law & order: poor
dictatorship
law & order: poor
democracy!

Sorry mate but your totally wrong.
Law and order was a 100 times better under a democratic govt then all the suicide bombings,insurgency in NWFP,massacre in lal masjid that we have had under a military dictatorship...i could carry on but i think you get my point!



freedom of press/media: only PTV
dictatorship
freedon of press/media: at least 45 licences approved
democracy!

More tv channels/newspapers was one of the conditions the US put on mushy for getting the support of the US.

Exports: 8.0 billion
dictatorship
Exports: 16.0 billion
democracy!

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Cease-fire across the LoC: no
dictatorship
Cease-fire across the LoC: yes - 2 yrs and holding
democracy
trade with India: 0.2 billion
dictatorship
trade with India: 1.5 billion!

Have you forgot the lahore declaration that NS got was a better deal then what we have got now under mushy.
The indians have not moved 1 inch on kashmir while mushy has dismantled the freedom fighters and moved away from the UN resolution.


i can keep on going....sure things are not what we want with regards to war on terror/extremists but it is not the only game in town!

Please do carry on....but keep in mind all the military/economic penalties pakistan was under during civilian rule.
 
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