Eleven abduction mostly relatives of Indian policemen in the four south Kashmir districts

[ayesha.a]

You killed the migrants during the independence process and blame us @ayesha.a what a good logic you have @ayesha.a


its our internal matters why you're interfering in our internal matters in 71 @ayesha.a

You are getting confused here. I wasn't talking about the partition and the genocide that happened in the process - both countries' people massacred each other, both are equally guilty. Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs were all responsible.

You said that India is disintegrating because of genocide of minorities - I was pointing out that only Pakistan has disintegrated due to genocide, not India.

You talked about India's internal affairs (the apparent genocide of minorities) and then ask me why I'm talking about yours?

India has not disintegrated, and it won't. Pakistan has. That's the point.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The only country that disintegrated due to genocide is Pakistan. 1971. Pakistan became half of what it was, population-wise. India has only grown larger in size territorially since independence. You are projecting your own nation's failures onto your enemy.

And please dispense with this "live independently" charade. You yourselves gave it away when you spoke about "unfinished agenda of partition" in your previous posts. You want Kashmir to be part of your country. Neither that, nor any "independence" is going to happen, that's the truth. Kashmir will be as independent as Bihar and Maharashtra, as part of the Union of India. The same rights, and a little more.

Remember the fight Pakistan put up when East Pakistan wanted to secede? Yes, that's what sovereign nations do, when their sovereignty is threatened - fight it tooth and nail. Pakistan lost the fight, India won its fight against separatism. That's the only difference.

It's not like Pakistan agreed to hold a referendum in the east to let them determine their future. You went to war to keep it together. So did India, when Pakistan threatened to take a state in 1965, and yet again when you fomented an insurgency in the 1980s and 90s. That ship has sailed, and India is not looking back.

Why you interfering our internal matters in 71, And Mukti bahani is backed by india supplying arms & ammunitions sending RAW spys helping with $$$$$$$$$ @ayesha.a

 

[ayesha.a]

Why you interfering our internal matters in 71, And Mukti bahani is backed by india supplying arms & ammunitions sending RAW spys helping with $$$$$$$$$ @ayesha.a

Read my previous post.

RAW helped cut up Pakistan, because that's what intel agencies do, to reduce the size of a threat. Why did the ISI help Khalistanis in the 70s and 80s? That's what they get paid for. RAW was succesful, ISI wasn't.

This is getting too off topic now. The point I wish to make in this thread is that India is doing just fine in Kashmir, at least relative to two decades back. Armed militancy is no longer feasible as it once was, just as a Pakistani military initiative is no longer feasible, as it once was.

1965 was Pakistan's last chance to militarily annex Kashmir, given the qualitative edge that Pakistan's military enjoyed at the time. But in 1971 Pakistan was reduced to half its size by GDP and population, and India has grown militarily unmatchable for Pak. Similarly, an insurgency in Kashmir in the 1980s was a serious threat to India, given our lack of experience in counter insurgency, but now we are the world's best in that department. The CI grid, the intelligence grid, the superb policing and civil structures, has all ensured that Kashmir is well and truly part of India, and cannot be taken away.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You are getting confused here. I wasn't talking about the partition and the genocide that happened in the process - both countries' people massacred each other, both are equally guilty. Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs were all responsible.

You said that India is disintegrating because of genocide of minorities - I was pointing out that only Pakistan has disintegrated due to genocide, not India.

You talked about India's internal affairs (the apparent genocide of minorities) and then ask me why I'm talking about yours?

India has not disintegrated, and it won't. Pakistan has. That's the point.

why you interfere in 71 its was our internal matters you backed Mukti Bahani with arms & ammunitions,sending a RAW spys, helping with $$$$$$$$ @ayesha.a
you will disintegrated soon because of barbarism on to the minorties on all over India, there are 13 separatist/freedom struggles is ongoing in india @ayesha.a

 

[ayesha.a]

why you interfere in 71 its was our internal matters you backed Mukti Bahani with arms & ammunitions,sending a RAW spys, helping with $$$$$$$$ @ayesha.a
you will disintegrated soon because of barbarism on to the minorties on all over India, there are 13 separatist/freedom struggles is ongoing in india @ayesha.a

Read my previous post regarding why India interfered. As to "India will disintegrate" - yes, many Pakistanis wish that. But wishes and reality are different. You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Read my previous post.

RAW helped cut up Pakistan, because that's what intel agencies do, to reduce the size of a threat. Why did the ISI help Khalistanis in the 70s and 80s? That's what they get paid for. RAW was succesful, ISI wasn't.

This is getting too off topic now. The point I wish to make in this thread is that India is doing just fine in Kashmir, at least relative to two decades back. Armed militancy is no longer feasible as it once was, just as a Pakistani military initiative is no longer feasible, as it once was.

1965 was Pakistan's last chance to militarily annex Kashmir, given the qualitative edge that Pakistan's military enjoyed at the time. But in 1971 Pakistan was reduced to half its size by GDP and population, and India has grown militarily unmatchable for Pak. Similarly, an insurgency in Kashmir in the 1980s was a serious threat to India, given our lack of experience in counter insurgency, but now we are the world's best in that department. The CI grid, the intelligence grid, the superb policing and civil structures, has all ensured that Kashmir is well and truly part of India, and cannot be taken away.

Good Jai AKAND BAHARAT
AND JAI TERRORIST HIND @ayesha.a

Read my previous post regarding why India interfered. As to "India will disintegrate" - yes, many Pakistanis wish that. But wishes and reality are different. You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

REALITY IS WORST THAN YOU THOUGHT
JAI TERRORIST HIND @ayesha.a

 

[Hindustani78]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ir-s-sopore/story-LRfnWGKl8g76iF3Rb7F4BL.html
Hurriyat activist shot dead by gunmen in Jammu and Kashmir’s Sopore
Hakeem U Rahman was shot near his house at Bomai Sopore in Jammu and Kashmir.
india Updated: Sep 08, 2018 13:45 IST
Hindustan Times, Srinagar

The civilian was shot dead near his house in Bomai Sopore. (AP File/Representative image)


A Hurriyat activist was shot dead by gunmen in Jammu and Kashmir’s Sopore on Saturday, hospital officials said.

Hakeem Rahman was shot from close range near his house at Bomai area.

“He was immediately shifted to a hospital where doctors declared him dead on arrival,” a police official was quoted as saying by news agency IANS.  

The activist was affiliated with the group led by Syed Ali Geelani.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Both insurgencies are different from each other and can't be compared. TTP is nothing like kashmiri militants.

But who has done more damage? Both in absolute terms as well as relative to the respective size of the countries?

 

[Hindustani78]

But who has done more damage? Both in absolute terms as well as relative to the respective size of the countries?

Militants who entered Jammu and Kashmir State, to be precise Kashmir Valley are mainly of 5 types.

International Units who are well trained as the Special Units or Regular Units or paramilitary units or Militia units who are from different nations, Already we are aware that Chinese/Russian/Iranian military Advisors are being deployed in Pakistan to whom we call by the name IS Militants.

Then Units of Pakistan military who are well trained as the Special Units or Regular Units or paramilitary units or Militia units who are having Pakistan ID cards, Ration Card, Passport Etc.

But when it comes to local militants then they doesnt have any authority in Pakistan occupied Kashmir as the Pakistan Military is working under Chinese and Russian Military Advisors as the satellite command centers are in Beijing or Moscow.

the Last type is of over ground workers and those can be Indian Citizens, Pakistan Citizens and even citizens of European Union who entered Republic of India as Tourists, trekking, drugs, prostitution, activists, human rights advocates etc. I cant even use the term madarchods here even when they are open enemies of my nation.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Militants who entered Jammu and Kashmir State, to be precise Kashmir Valley are mainly of 5 types.

International Units who are well trained as the Special Units or Regular Units or paramilitary units or Militia units who are from different nations, Already we are aware that Chinese/Russian/Iranian military Advisors are being deployed in Pakistan to whom we call by the name IS Militants.

Then Units of Pakistan military who are well trained as the Special Units or Regular Units or paramilitary units or Militia units who are having Pakistan ID cards, Ration Card, Passport Etc.

But when it comes to local militants then they doesnt have any authority in Pakistan occupied Kashmir as the Pakistan Military is working under Chinese and Russian Military Advisors as the satellite command centers are in Beijing or Moscow.

the Last type is of over ground workers and those can be Indian Citizens, Pakistan Citizens and even citizens of European Union who entered Republic of India as Tourists, trekking, drugs, prostitution, activists, human rights advocates etc. I cant even use the term madarchods here even when they are open enemies of my nation.

Russian and Iranian advisors? Are you fibbing?

Aren't they our friends?

 

[Areesh]

See my previous response to Hussain, and ask yourself whether you think India can take a province from Pakistan. I'm sure your mind would erupt in laughter at the thought. Now think about taking a state from India. Be logical, not emotional.

Your answer is based on hollow grandeur and delusions. Nothing is permanent in this world. And a country like India which has remain colony and occupied by foreigners should be last to make this claim. Anything can be changed and same applies for IOK and India.

And when you talk about "deteriorating situation", you have to keep in mind the perspective. The number of militants increasing from 450 to 500 is really not even a drop in the ocean, unlike say, the size of an army increasing from 4,50,000 to 500,000. The decrease from 10s of thousands to the low hundreds is, however, significant.

The number of militants have increase as compared to past few years as per India's own claims. The popular sentiment in IOK is against Indian state. Pro India politics has lost its place in Kashmir.

If the general populace is against your country then number of militants is meaningless. You have already the lost the people and with that their land.

The Kashmiri police, IB and MI all have enough on-the-ground intelligence networks to prevent any significant increase in militant ranks. The fact that tens of thousands of Kashmiris sign up to join the police force, as opposed to a hundred or so militants, should give you a clue about which way the wind blows. I'm not even counting the recruitment into the armed forces, CRPF, BSF etc.

Such tools of occupation have existed in every occupied territory in this world. They can work for some years. They are not a permanent solution. It is just a sign of delusion to think it is some sort of solution.

As for "stability" - perhaps it suits Pakistanis to keep the region permanently unstable, but even that tactic has been well understood and countered by India. The instability you speak of is again relative - in 2008 for example, Kashmir was more stable than any part of Pakistan. Even today, it is more stable and safe than some parts of Pakistan. I know Pakistanis WANT the region to be unstable as it suits their interests, and this has been realized by Kashmiris some time ago. (ahem, the shenanigans after the Soviet-Afghan war.)

It is Indian state with its foolish policies that has kept Kashmir unstable. Don't blame Pakistan for that.

All your post are general delusions and grandeur that we see in any occupier. You are nothing new and not the last occupier with such delusions.

 

[Hindustani78]

Russian and Iranian advisors? Are you fibbing?

Aren't they our friends?

January 28, 2017
“The Senate of Pakistan has raised a proposal to form a new regional alliance comprising Pakistan, Iran and China, and Iran welcomes this idea,” he said and added that new regional and international alliances and coalitions are being formed keeping in view the recent US elections.

Boroujerdi, who is also advisor to Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, said Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia are natural allies who should cooperate for regional peace and promotion of bilateral trade.


Russian Deputy Chief of General Staff Colonel General Israkov Sergi Yuryevich during recent visit to Pakistan was hosted by Peshawar Corps

Soldier killed by militants in Kashmir was home to mourn son’s death

Police said that a group of militants barged into the house of Mukhtar Ahmad Malik, of the Territorial Army, in Kashmir’s Shurat Kulgam and opened fire.
india Updated: Sep 17, 2018 23:08 IST

An army man was killed by suspected militants in south Kashmir’s Kulgam district on Monday.(Representative photo)

A 45-year-old army man, who was home to mourn the death of his teenage son, was killed by suspected militantsin Jammu and Kashmir’s Kulgam district on Monday.

Police said that a group of militants barged into the house of Mukhtar Ahmad Malik, of the Territorial Army, in Kashmir’s Shurat Kulgam and opened fire.

“Malik was at home... He was shot in his head and died before reaching the hospital,” said a police officer.

The slain man was posted in Srinagar and was on leave.

An army official said that Malik’s 18-year-old son died three days back on September 15. “Malik was killed when he was in mourning,” the official said.

A villager living near the family in Kulgam said that the son of Malik was injured in a car accident earlier this month and was in ICU at a hospital before succumbing.

He said that the attackers had come in a car posing as journalists to meet Malik. “They pretended shooting his video in his house using a mobile phone and shot him,” the villager said.

The locals also stated that Malik used to be a member of pro-government militia group called Ikhwan which was working as a counter-insurgency force in 1990s. “Malik, like many of Ikhwan men, was eventually absorbed into the Territorial Army,” the villager said.

Ikhwan has been notorious in Kashmir for its alleged human rights violations.

The killing triggered anger against journalists and prompted locals to disrupt the local reporters from covering the funeral of Malik.

This is second killing of a local army man in Jammu and Kashmir in past three months. In June, army man Aurangzeb was abducted from a private vehicle when he was going home for Eid in Shopian. His body was recovered from a Pulwama village.

Meanwhile, life was affected in many parts of Kashmir as separatist leaders Syed Ali Geelani, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik asked people to observe a shutdown against the killings in Kulgam district on Saturday.

Shops and businesses were closed in Srinagar while movement of public transport has been partially affected. Schools were also closed while attendance in government offices was thin.

First Published: Sep 17, 2018 23:07 IST

 

[Hindustani78]

A 14-year-old boy was found dead with bruises on his nose in central Kashmir’s Ganderbal district on Tuesday, a day after he left home.

Police said they have registered a murder case and detained a suspect for the death of the Class 6 student, who was found dead in a field some 500 metres away from his home.

Arshad Salfie, the police’s station house officer in Ganderbal, said that the boy’s parents didn’t file a missing report because they thought that he was visiting relatives.

“When he did not return they started looking for him at relatives and other places,” Salfi said.

Khaleel Poswal, superintendent of police, Ganderbal, said they were ascertaining the cause of death as there were bruises on the boy’s nose.

He said that they would be able to tell about the cause of death after a post mortem. “A board of doctors has been formed to ascertain the cause of his death,” the SP said.

This is third such type of death of a minor in Kashmir in recent past.

The mutilated and decomposed body of a 9-year-old girl was found in the forests of Boniyar in Baramulla district on September 2, nine days after she disappeared from her home in Lari Trikanjan, Uri. Police arrested her step mother, the woman’s 14-year-old son, and their three accomplices for her rape and murder.

On July 19, a 10-year-old missing boy’s mutilated body was found three days after he had gone missing in north Kashmir’s Kulgam district. The Class 3 student disappeared after he left home for the market in Gulgam village of Kupwara. His body was found naked, partially burnt and his left arm was missing.

 

[Hindustani78]

Srinagar, September 21, 2018 10:59 IST
Updated: September 21, 2018 13:25 IST
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-in-kashmir/article25004028.ece?homepage=true

J&K police have launched an operation to trace the militants involved in the attack. File | Photo Credit: Nissar Ahmad

The incident comes two days after some youth made announcements in local mosques in Shopian, asking policemen to quit their jobs.

Militants on Friday morning abducted three policemen from their homes and later shot them dead in south Kashmir’s Shopian. A brother of one of the policemen was also abducted but released later

An official told The Hindu that locals found the bullet-ridden bodies of the policemen in Lamni-Wangam village in Shopian. “A team of security forces is in the area,” said the police.

Policeman's brother released

The slain policemen were identified as Firdous Ahmad Kuchey and Kuldeep Singh, both residents of Batgund Shopian, and Fayaz Ahmad Bhat, resident of Kapran. Nisar Ahmad is the brother of Fayaz Ahmad.

The police said an operation was on to trace the militants.

The incident comes two days after some youth made announcements in local mosques in Shopian, asking policemen to quit their jobs.

The killings come as Jammu and Kashmir prepares for the urban local bodies elections from October 8.

 

[Hindustani78]

Sep 21, 2018 17:12 IST

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A police officer pays his respects to fallen colleagues at a base camp at Shopian on Friday. Anti-India rebels in Kashmir raided over a dozen homes of police officers and abducted three whose bullet-riddled bodies were recovered Friday, officials said. The killings came days after the region's largest rebel group asked officers to quit the police force and stay away from counter insurgency operations. (Mukhtar Khan / AP)

Shortly after the bodies of three policemen killed by militants were found in south Kashmir’s Shopian today, several videos emerged on social media that purportedly show special police officers announcing their decision to resign. A senior Kashmir police officer said they are yet to authenticate the claims being made in the video messages. At least six such messages have emerged and are being circulated widely. (Mukhtar Khan / AP)