Eleven abduction mostly relatives of Indian policemen in the four south Kashmir districts

[Hindustani78]

Security forces conducting cordon-and-search operation for militants
A youth was killed and another injured after security forces fired on the militants during clashes in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pulwama district on Monday.

The forces launched a cordon-and-search operation in over a dozen villages in Pulwama in the morning, following information about the presence of militants in the area, a police official said.

At the time of the operation. Two persons were injured in firing by the forces during clashes in Gusoo village, the official said.

The two were taken to a hospital, from where, one of them, Fayaz Ahmad Wani, was referred to the SMHS Hospital here.

Wani was, however, declared dead at the hospital, he said.

Clashes between the militants and security forces were going on when last reports came in. The search operation is in progress, he added.

Separatists in Kashmir on Monday called for a boycott of the panchayat and urban local body polls scheduled to be held from next month.

A statement in this regard was issued after a meeting of the Joint Resistance Leadership comprising separatists Syed Ali Geelani, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Mohammad Yasin Malik at Mr. Geelani’s residence in Hyderpora.

Despite similar calls for boycott by separatists, Jammu and Kashmir registered its highest voter turn-out in the last 25 years during the 2014 Assembly election, with an estimated 65% of electorate casting their votes.

The last panchayat election in the State were held in April-May 2011, with a record voter turnout of 80%.

The panchayat elections were scheduled to be held in 2016 but were put off due to unrest in the Valley.

 

[KAMDEV]

Thts the red line,,they crossed it.
If they harm the families of security personal,,,it shud be paid back in same,,,detain the relatives of all known jihadis in those districts it will send the message.

Once khalistsanis tried this, policemen and kps gill DGP then resorted to the same tactics all hostages were freed immediately.

 

[Hindustani78]

Sep 03, 2018 17:10 IST

Security forces started a massive search operation on Monday in around two dozen villages of Jammu and Kashmir’s Pulwama district, police said. The operation began following reports about the presence of militants in the villages of Putrigam, Rohmu, Rajpora, Matrigam, Goosu, Frasipora and others. (Waseem Andrabi / HT File)

Officials said more than 1,000 troopers from three Rashtriya Rifles units, the Jammu and Kashmir police and the Central Reserve Police Force were involved in the operation, which was called off in the evening.(PTI)

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...lice-firing/story-Ar2Ep82HmiaalqIqKEksKL.html

Securitymen cordoned off around 15 villages and launched in the morning what locals described as “one of the biggest search and cordon operations in Pulwama in the recent times”.

Officials said more than 1,000 troopers from three Rashtriya Rifles units, the Jammu and Kashmir police and the Central Reserve Police Force were involved in the operation, which was called off in the evening.

“We touched some 15 villages...we also interacted with people. A medical camp was organised, some sweets were also distributed. There were no arrests. We have closed the operation,” Pulwama superintendent of police Chandan Kohli said.

 

[jamahir]

Asiya Andrabi is part of Hurriyat conference and its the Indian security forces who give protection to hurriyat Conference senior members and other important people.

But HC is a separatist movement...

 

[Tshering22]

Terrorists have taken to a newer tactic against India - now they are targeting individuals rather than attacks against groups.

This is a tactic used by intelligence agencies to weaken or instill fear in the minds of the population of the enemy.

MHA really needs to open its eyes and step up to the challenge.

 

[Hindustani78]

But HC is a separatist movement...

No, Hurriyat Conference works for United Jammu and Kashmir State.

Nearly four months after an army jawan was killed during a scuffle over a land dispute at a village here, the police arrested two persons, including a woman
india Updated: Sep 05, 2018 14:12 IST


https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ir-s-poonch/story-01rYuk3wbLIdU62crkxsiO.html
Jammu

An army jawan keeps vigil in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir.(PTI Representative Photo)

Nearly four months after an army jawan was killed during a scuffle over a land dispute at a village here, the police arrested two persons, including a woman, in connection with the case.

Police said Wednesday they arrested Mohammad Alyas and Zanib Bi from Mendhar yesterday.

Army’s Defence Service Corps (DSC) unit jawan Mohammad Matloob was critically injured during the scuffle at Chajjla village on May 5 and he succumbed to injuries at a hospital on May 19, they said.

The Senior Superintendent of Police, Poonch, Rajiv Pandey, had constituted a special team under the supervision of assistant superintendent of police, Anwar-ul Haq, for effecting the arrest of the accused, who were absconding, a police spokesman said.

He said the accused have been booked for murder.

 

[Hindustani78]

General Officer Commanding, Delta Force, Maj Gen Rajiv Nanda.
Ranjit Thakur
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/j...-militancy-fears-in-chenab-region/648366.html

Bhaderwah, September 5

Debunking claims that there was a shift towards militancy in the Chenab region, General Officer Commanding (GOC) of the Delta Force Maj Gen Rajiv Nanda on Wednesday said the recent incidents of local youths joining militant groups were “isolated cases”.

Two local youths, including an MBA from the Ghat area of Doda, recently joined militancy.

“I agree that these incidents have happened, but these are isolated incidents. Do not compare them with militancy in Kashmir or south Kashmir. A youth who joined militancy in Sazan village of Doda on July 1 was killed in an encounter on July 25. There is also a report of another youth joining militancy, but I don’t think there a shift towards militancy in the Chenab region,” Major General Nanda said on the sidelines of Sangam Youth Festival at Bhaderwah on Wednesday.

“Both the youths had been living away from their villages and district for a long time. We are trying to find out how they were motivated to join militancy. However, these are isolated incidents,” the GOC said.

“I assure you that the militancy will never revive in the Chenab region again. If the youth ,who recently joined militancy, wants to return to the mainstream, we can help him,” he added. The GOC was the chief guest at Sangam Youth Festival organised by the Army in collaboration with the University of Jammu, Bhaderwah campus.

 

[ayesha.a]

Move on how???

We support the Kashmiri people against an injustice done to them

Move on by accepting the fact that India is too strong for anybody to take a state from her. Do you think the entire military of Pakistan can do that? Do you think India is going to let it happen, like ever? If you think it will happen, then you have not moved on - and the price is paid by Kashmiris.

I know it hurts egos to admit a lost cause, but it takes integrity to do so.

I'll again recommend the "other" or "outsider" test - do you think Pakistan will let India take Pakistani Kashmir or Punjab? Will you let that happen? What makes you think that India, which is a lot more powerful, would?

If you want to live in delusions and gaze at ever receding mirages, that's your prerogative. The reality is that Pakistan's dream of militarily capturing Kashmir ended in 1965, and their ambitions of fomenting a domestic insurgency and detaching Kashmir ended in the mid 1990s.

How is it a success when as per India's own number of local militants have increased as compared to previus years? How is it a success when situation remains constantly volatile with militants enjoying more and more local support? The 90s are gone. Lets talk about the situation in MMS rule and now under Modi rule. Your own security forces claim that situation has actually deteriorated in IOK. A triumph of counter insurgency is not just to kill few militants. even Afghan army does that every now and then. The main purpose is to bring stability in the region and that clearly doesn't exist in IOK.

AS for India being all strong and all that. Map of subcontinent has changed a lot in past century or more. Nothing is permanent. And same applies for Indian state too.

See my previous response to Hussain, and ask yourself whether you think India can take a province from Pakistan. I'm sure your mind would erupt in laughter at the thought. Now think about taking a state from India. Be logical, not emotional.

And when you talk about "deteriorating situation", you have to keep in mind the perspective. The number of militants increasing from 450 to 500 is really not even a drop in the ocean, unlike say, the size of an army increasing from 4,50,000 to 500,000. The decrease from 10s of thousands to the low hundreds is, however, significant.

The Kashmiri police, IB and MI all have enough on-the-ground intelligence networks to prevent any significant increase in militant ranks. The fact that tens of thousands of Kashmiris sign up to join the police force, as opposed to a hundred or so militants, should give you a clue about which way the wind blows. I'm not even counting the recruitment into the armed forces, CRPF, BSF etc.

As for "stability" - perhaps it suits Pakistanis to keep the region permanently unstable, but even that tactic has been well understood and countered by India. The instability you speak of is again relative - in 2008 for example, Kashmir was more stable than any part of Pakistan. Even today, it is more stable and safe than some parts of Pakistan. I know Pakistanis WANT the region to be unstable as it suits their interests, and this has been realized by Kashmiris some time ago. (ahem, the shenanigans after the Soviet-Afghan war.)

Your right we have built up large militaries with numerous weapons that an attack either side is difficult if not impossible

But why should we stop trying to support the Kashmiri people
Why should we stop trying to fix an injustice done after partition especially during a time where hindutvas rise justifies the very basis of why Partition took place 70 years ago

The message of Pakistan resonates amongst the locals of Kashmir and we cant betray them by leaving them to hindutva wolves who as Jinnah predicted would seek to harm and occupy them

Sorry, I didn't see this post. We agree about the first sentence. In light of that, ask yourself what is the point of "supporting" the Kashmiri people (by which you mean trying to make their lives miserable by making the place unstable and unsafe)? The state isn't going anywhere - India will not let that happen. Do you want to keep the region in a state of conflict just so you can keep justifying partition? There's another thing to move on from. Partition happened in 1947, and your desire to justify it is making you keep a conflict alive unnecessarily.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Move on by accepting the fact that India is too strong for anybody to take a state from her. Do you think the entire military of Pakistan can do that? Do you think India is going to let it happen, like ever? If you think it will happen, then you have not moved on - and the price is paid by Kashmiris.

I know it hurts egos to admit a lost cause, but it takes integrity to do so.

I'll again recommend the "other" or "outsider" test - do you think Pakistan will let India take Pakistani Kashmir or Punjab? Will you let that happen? What makes you think that India, which is a lot more powerful, would?

If you want to live in delusions and gaze at ever receding mirages, that's your prerogative. The reality is that Pakistan's dream of militarily capturing Kashmir ended in 1965, and their ambitions of fomenting a domestic insurgency and detaching Kashmir ended in the mid 1990s.



See my previous response to Hussain, and ask yourself whether you think India can take a province from Pakistan. I'm sure your mind would erupt in laughter at the thought. Now think about taking a state from India. Be logical, not emotional.

And when you talk about "deteriorating situation", you have to keep in mind the perspective. The number of militants increasing from 450 to 500 is really not even a drop in the ocean, unlike say, the size of an army increasing from 4,50,000 to 500,000. The decrease from 10s of thousands to the low hundreds is, however, significant.

The Kashmiri police, IB and MI all have enough on-the-ground intelligence networks to prevent any significant increase in militant ranks. The fact that tens of thousands of Kashmiris sign up to join the police force, as opposed to a hundred or so militants, should give you a clue about which way the wind blows. I'm not even counting the recruitment into the armed forces, CRPF, BSF etc.

As for "stability" - perhaps it suits Pakistanis to keep the region permanently unstable, but even that tactic has been well understood and countered by India. The instability you speak of is again relative - in 2008 for example, Kashmir was more stable than any part of Pakistan. Even today, it is more stable and safe than some parts of Pakistan. I know Pakistanis WANT the region to be unstable as it suits their interests, and this has been realized by Kashmiris some time ago. (ahem, the shenanigans after the Soviet-Afghan war.)



Sorry, I didn't see this post. We agree about the first sentence. In light of that, ask yourself what is the point of "supporting" the Kashmiri people (by which you mean trying to make their lives miserable by making the place unstable and unsafe)? The state isn't going anywhere - India will not let that happen. Do you want to keep the region in a state of conflict just so you can keep justifying partition? There's another thing to move on from. Partition happened in 1947, and your desire to justify it is making you keep a conflict alive unnecessarily.

You Indian are illegally occupied IOK, its a incomplete agenda of independence of the subcontinent since 47 @ayesha.a

 

[ayesha.a]

You Indian are illegally occupied IOK, its a incomplete agenda of independence of the subcontinent since 47 @ayesha.a

When do you expect to complete it?

Can you give me an answer devoid of cliches and empty slogans?

 

[Ultima Thule]

When do you expect to complete it?

Can you give me an answer devoid of cliches and empty slogans?

you've nothing to say you're just facesaving @ayesha.a why do you give them self determination rights to chose with which country they wanna live as your former prime minister Nehero promises at the front of the world at the forum of UN @ayesha.a that your pathetic world biggest democracy are @ayesha.a

 

[ayesha.a]

you've nothing to say you're just facesaving @ayesha.a why do you give them self determination rights to chose with which country they wanna live as your former prime minister Nehero promises at the front of the world at the forum of UN @ayesha.a that your pathetic world biggest democracy are @ayesha.a

So as expected, you did not give me an answer to the question: When do you expect to "complete it"?

As for promises of self determination, do read up on Pakistan's part of that promise, which was a precondition. Has Pakistan fulfilled the precondition?

After all these years, neither Pakistan nor India is going to take another step in that direction. Too much water has flown since then.

My advice to you, as to the posters before you, is "move on" - the longer you keep deluding yourself about some "unfulfilled agenda of partition", the longer you are chasing a mirage. You are not capable of taking Kashmir.

This back and forth cannot go anywhere, just as Kashmir isn't going anywhere.

 

[Ultima Thule]

As for promises of self determination, do read up on
Pakistan's part of that promise, which was a precondition. Has Pakistan fulfilled the precondition?

read the UN resolution first, its only for IOK

My advice to you, as to the posters before you, is "move on" - the longer you keep deluding yourself about some "unfulfilled agenda of partition", the longer you are chasing a mirage. You are not capable of taking Kashmir.

This back and forth cannot go anywhere, just as Kashmir isn't going anywhere.

we are not talking that you will give Kashmir to Pakistan or something like that just give them to self determination to them to chose to which country they are want to live or emerge a independent state, its main problem/issue of destabilization of the region, @ayesha.a

Then you're disintegrated because of genocide of minorities on all over india @ayesha.a

 

[ayesha.a]

read the UN resolution first, its only for IOK



we are not talking that you will give Kashmir to Pakistan or something like that just give them to self determination to them to chose to which country they are want to live or emerge a independent state, its main problem/issue of destabilization of the region, @ayesha.a

Then you're disintegrated because of genocide of minorities on all over india @ayesha.a

The only country that disintegrated due to genocide is Pakistan. 1971. Pakistan became half of what it was, population-wise. India has only grown larger in size territorially since independence. You are projecting your own nation's failures onto your enemy.

And please dispense with this "live independently" charade. You yourselves gave it away when you spoke about "unfinished agenda of partition" in your previous posts. You want Kashmir to be part of your country. Neither that, nor any "independence" is going to happen, that's the truth. Kashmir will be as independent as Bihar and Maharashtra, as part of the Union of India. The same rights, and a little more.

Remember the fight Pakistan put up when East Pakistan wanted to secede? Yes, that's what sovereign nations do, when their sovereignty is threatened - fight it tooth and nail. Pakistan lost the fight, India won its fight against separatism. That's the only difference.

It's not like Pakistan agreed to hold a referendum in the east to let them determine their future. You went to war to keep it together. So did India, when Pakistan threatened to take a state in 1965, and yet again when you fomented an insurgency in the 1980s and 90s. That ship has sailed, and India is not looking back.

read the UN resolution first, its only for IOK

That's a lie, and you probably know it. Here is the wording:

"1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:

(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes
of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of
material aid to those fighting in the State;"

The point is moot, because as I stated earlier, neither Pakistan nor India is going to do any of that after all these years.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The only country that disintegrated due to genocide is Pakistan. 1971. Pakistan became half of what it was, population-wise. India has only grown larger in size territorially since independence. You are projecting your own nation's failures onto your enemy.

You killed the migrants during the independence process and blame us @ayesha.a what a good logic you have @ayesha.a

Remember the fight Pakistan put up when East Pakistan wanted to secede? Yes, that's what sovereign nations do, when their sovereignty is threatened - fight it tooth and nail. Pakistan lost the fight, India won. That's the only difference.

its our internal matters why you're interfering in our internal matters in 71 @ayesha.a