Egypt's population officially reaches 93 millions: CAPMAS

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes bro, it's me.

And I also have relatives who camefrom India during 1947. On the whole they are pro Pakistani, there was an attempt by Altaf Hussain, leader of MQM which draws most of it support from thoses who's ancestors migrated from India, to sprout some pro Indian rubbish and chanted anti Pakistani slogans, but most of his own party have turned against him and no longer consider him their leader.

But yes, they do have relatives in India, even I have distant relatives in India, through marriage, but there is no love for India amongst that population group. There are several Pakistanis on this forum who are descendants of those who migrated in 1947 and you will find them to be the most anti Indian. This is something that I have noticed too in that part of my own family, they are far more nationalist types than people from another ethnicity because they had to face radical mobs of Hindus and Sikhs.

I mean there are a very tiny number who hold pro Indian views, but they have no popular support amongst Muhajir or Urdu speaking community, as I prefer to call them as I do not believe they are migrants anymore.

@haviZsultan @Areesh can shed more light on this as they are more knowledgeable on this topic.

Are practically all of the Pakistani Mujahir not Muslims? How is it possible to stir up pro-Indian elements among such a populace? From an outsiders view that seems contradictory as most Mujahir, correct me if I am wrong, moved to Pakistan exactly due to them wanting to live in a nation where the majority shared their religion. Also another question, if you don't mind (I don't discuss such personal stuff in person with people or even religion so I will have to do with forums/social media) are most Pakistani Mujahir not from the borderlands of Pakistan (Northern India in general) or are there also many from elsewhere in India such as Deccan which long had and still has a large Muslim population. For instance Hyderabad or Kerala etc.

Haha, not surprised about that. After all you had to prove your loyalty in the eyes of many natives (I believe) so being vocal probably helped. Or more importantly having experienced the unfortunate killings that followed in the wake of the establishment of Pakistan and India.

Anyway what about when Pakistanis and Indians on this forum have heated discussions and racial slurs are involved aimed at Indians? Do you feel personally attacked in such a case as a person with ancestral ties to modern-day India?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Well, I have seen plenty so that is wrong. Also population growth will always stabilize itself. Where were those scientists when 500 million big China was piss poor (current Sub-Saharan standards) in the late 1940's? Today their population has almost grown by 300% and look where they are. Even India has improved despite a giant population boom. Same story with Pakistan and Bangladesh. Even Sub-Saharan African countries such as Nigeria and Ethiopia, mainly due to their population growth, have experienced a unprecedented economic boom and already today have sizable economies for their regions standards. That would never have been possible had they had small populations. Their living standards have also improved despite a big population boom.

No matter how you spin it, population growth (as long as it is not totally out of control which is not the case anywhere in the Arab world) cannot be negative. A negative growth rate is negative though overall. Look no further than Japan, Ukraine and Eastern Europe in general. West is not as badly hit mainly due to, in great part Arabs, and in general Muslims/non-European minorities who tend to have significantly larger families and due to migration (UK, France and Germany). Which is something they encourage exactly due to economic reasons first and foremost and not out of love for strangers or hospitality.

I don't buy this as the Arab world is progressing on all fronts every year despite growing populations and guess what, this will continue.

As for scientific output, the Arab world (GCC alone) is one of the fastest growing regions on this front so that is also not correct. It makes no sense either as scientific growth is closely tied to economic growth, a bigger talent pool (bigger population - hence why most scientific powers in the world have a sizable population) and education.

I know that the Arab world (already the case) will have much larger economies than Turkey and Iran in the future (no contest really) and much more dynamic and young populations as well. Once the population growth stabilizes and reaches the level of European states such as UK and France (I believe that Arab states will never experience negative growth rate for cultural and religious reasons) it will be from a far bigger end product (population and economy wise) than what Turkey and Iran will have whose populations are predicted to fall not grow by 2050. In fact I believe that Iraq alone will have more people by 2050 than those two countries combined if the predictions are correct.

I don't know even where to begin...

Are your really believing all this sugar-coated political surrealism? Comparing a single country (China) with over 20 different Arabic-speaking countries with different interests, cultures and traditions - some of whom even hate each other's guts? Do you really believe that any Arab country (except GCC states) will achieve in the foreseeable future what Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia or Turkey has achieved? What about Syria? What about Iraq, Yemen, Libya? Currently, GCC states won't even accept Yemen and Jordan as member states. Why should Egypt submit to Saudi Arabia? You're living in your own bubble.

Today, Egyptians aren't richer than 7 years ago even though the population has grown immensely. Tell us, why?

 

[mike2000 is back]

@AmirPatriot
Bro, look at this beast's post. I always used to ask myself, why these murderer fukers still have a huge influence in Muslim countries and can take the big Muslim markets despite their filthy past. These fukers have Egyptian blood on their hands but still capable of investing in Muslim countries.
It has only one reason : العلم سلطان
Independent economy, stronger companies, better technologies. That's all and that is why they can have presence even in the countries that once were oppressed by their own governments.
I hope you take my point

Huh.....why call me a beast? Did I insult you or your country?. Was just making a point dude. Calm down.

Using your logic Japan shouldn't be among the top 4 largest investors in China, since the Japanese killed millions of Chinese during their invasion of the country in WWII right? What kind of logic is that?

 

[Asghar1234]

Egypt needs to decrease its population.

There are serious food crises in Egypt.

https://thewire.in/119295/egypt-food-prics-crisis/

 

[Muhammed45]

Using your logic Japan shouldn't be among the top 4 largest investors in China, since the Japanese killed millions of Chinese during their invasion of the country in WWII right? What kind of logic is that?

Well first i didn't talk to you.
But neither me nor someone else can change the fact, Egyptian government wants to work with your companies and unfortunately some of our governors have done the same. Not in my business. The one who should take the point, indeed he will.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I am Sinhalese and I don't have any rivalry with India but that's me as an individual (I am not nationalist at all and I believe in the modern nation-state model based on opportunity, liberty and democracy) but you are right that lots of people consider India to be hostile and this feeling comes from being a small country next to massive neighbours. It exists everywhere as well, for instance, Baltics towards Russia. I do have a lot to do with India but I don't consider myself an Indian. Why would I? Quite similarly, smaller nations around Russia don't consider themselves as Russian although they have a lot to do with Russia. And Switzerland too is fiercely independent and considers their diversity as a unique attribute. Even their dialect of German is unique. Going by that logic we should all consider ourselves as African as our ancestors came from Africa.

By the way, Sri Lanka, at least the Sinhalese part, was an independent entity for most of its history.

What I tried to describe was my lack of understanding of people who hate their brethren just because they happen to live across a artificial border (like most borders in the world) and recent border and have a different nationality that due to political circumstances now happen to be a political rival. What I am trying to say is that I don't see the same affinity or same relationship that most Arabs share and have (across the modern-day borders - I mentioned a few examples could mention many more and I am sure that other Arab users like @EgyptianAmerican could too in regards to Egypt) with their brethren of other nationalities. Yes, we are mostly all Muslims (with a significant Christian minority) but even the Muslim and Christian Arabs have the similar views of each other and relationship home and abroad. Especially in the diaspora where most rivalries disappear. For me that is quite hard to understand. For instance why should a Sri Lankan Tamil hate an Indian Tamil when they are the same people? Cant' they separate politics apart?

I have no doubt that Sri Lankans have their reasons for feeling hostile to India similar to how you wisely mentioned the Baltic nations and their relationship with their huge neighbor in Russia.

Please be specific? No countries that neighbor Russia are majority-Russian ethnic. Ukraine for instance has a large ethnic Russian minority (5-8 million big if not more) and look what they are doing currently. Fighting, mostly, against their country (Ukraine) in favor of their ethnic brethren in Russia. Crimea should ring a bell here.

Come on. There is a long way from "we should all consider ourselves as African" and to not understanding what I wrote. You cannot deny what I wrote. A Sri Lankan Tamil and a Indian Tamil across the strait are identical on almost every front aside from having a different nationality. Not some 1000 year old nationality but a 70 year old nationality. I will be brutally honest with you here and this is my personal experience and views based on a lot of things, but I don't look at the Saudi Arabian nationality as something that is completely distinct (rather the opposite) from all of our Arab neighbors. Not only that I have the same view with all Arab states more or less. And many if not most Arabs share the same view. Especially those that know their history. Sure today we live in a era of nation states but there should be limits to that. It could easily be argued based on history, dialect, cuisine, geography and even genetics that Hijazis have more in common with Egyptians and Southern Levant (Jordan, Palestine and Southern Syria) next door than we have with Eastern Arabia 1500 km away. But due to having lived in the same nation state for 85 + years this viewpoint has been challenged.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Looks like @mike2000 is back just stepped on a cat's tail.

I don't even understand why he got mad. I didn't say anything offensive. Only point I made was the past is the past and every country should cooperate with any country as far as it serves their interests (or doesn't harm it). Even China and the U.S who are rivals have a huge trade going on between them. Guess using some people's logic Chinese leaders are traitors for letting the "Great Satan" invest so much in their country. That's just unreasonable.

 

[garshasp]

Excellent job. May more Arab babies be born all across the Arab world and the entire world where the 50-60 million big Arab diaspora are present. I will do my part once I marry 4 wives at once. Polygamy is thankfully legal in most Arab countries but those where it is illegal, laws should be changed to allow it again immediately. Doing otherwise is criminal and a crime against humanity.

Simply put 7-8 children per family should be the goal if not more. 2 by each wife.

Mabrouk ya Masr!

Made my day thanks habibi

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't know even where to begin...

Are your really believing all this sugar-coated political surrealism? Comparing a single country (China) with over 20 different Arabic-speaking countries with different interests, cultures and traditions - some of whom even hate each other's guts? Do you really believe that any Arab country (except GCC states) will achieve in the foreseeable future what Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia or Turkey has achieved? What about Syria? What about Iraq, Yemen, Libya? Currently, GCC states won't even accept Yemen and Jordan as member states. Why should Egypt submit to Saudi Arabia? You're living in your own bubble.

Today, Egyptians aren't richer than 7 years ago even though the population has grown immensely. Tell us, why?

So facts are "surrealism". Can you please explain to me how Syrians, Iraqis and Yemenis and Libyans hate each other when they are the same people? You really need to distinguish between current political conflicts and civil wars (even the mighty US once had a civil war 3-4 generations ago) that will eventually end and what will inevitably happen (continuous economic growth, higher levels of education, bigger economies etc.). I gave plenty of examples other than China but I guess that you missed that. I could have mentioned almost every Arab country as well to make my point across.

What are you talking about? Submit to what? Why are you talking about a supranational Pan-Arab state when nobody mentioned that? In fact nobody ever mentioned anything about a single Arab state. There is no need for that either. GCC won't accept them due to economic reasons and nothing else. The people however would have no problem with such a thing. In fact if history had taken a slightly different course those countries that you mention would have been a single nation state and it would have had 1000 times more legitimacy and affinity (homogeneity) than say India and most other nation states on the planet whether in Africa, Europe or Asia.

Yes they are.

Anyway keep believing that a controlled population growth (as is the case in almost every single Arab country if not all with the exception of Yemen and you could argue, Egypt) is negative on the long-run in terms of economic growth. Economic growth = higher living standards in almost every case on average, improved educational level, improved scientific output. If you have a small population or a negative growth rate you can either desperately try to keep your current standard of living or dream all you want about a larger economy.

Using your logic, I assume that you predict an even bigger downfall for Pakistan which is much more diverse than all Arab countries and not only that over twice as populous as Egypt which is the most populous Arab country despite being smaller than Egypt. Can't think about what will occur with India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Ethiopia etc. in your eyes.

Anyway hello @Asghar1234 aka @2800 . Good to see you in threads about Arab matters as usual. Although I miss the daily threads about KSA. Please deliver.

Made my day thanks habibi

Thanks baradar.

I have a great humor.

 

[Falcon29]

Changed to Pakistaninus.

Pakin-Anus & Ayyyyyyyrrrraab

I will do my part once I marry 4 wives at once. Polygamy is thankfully legal in most Arab countries but those where it is illegal, laws should be changed to allow it again immediately. Doing otherwise is criminal and a crime against humanity.

Become a sheikh, it's socially accepted behavior for them.

I have a great humor.

That's not humor you really are the Arab Hitler. Make our people proud again.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

@mike2000 is back

Iraq

Jordan

etc.

Turkey is usually one of the main import markets for many Arab nations. We benefited the most from the lifting of the Iran sanctions.
https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-domestic-economy/56956/decline-in-iran-turkey-trade

Our economy is diversified (cars, agricultural products, clothing, white goods). That's why Turkey will be among the biggest beneficiaries if the Arab world's economy growths.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Pakin-Anus & Ayyyyyyyrrrraab



Become a sheikh, it's socially accepted behavior for them.



That's not humor you really are the Arab Hitler. Make our people proud again.

Lot's of AYRAAB money will do.

Amin El-Husseini.

Anyway I am all for us getting an Arab Adolf Hitler. Minus the ethnic genocide, dreams of world dominance, degree of socialism and ugly mustache.

@mike2000 is back

Iraq

Jordan

etc.

Turkey is usually one of the main import markets for many Arab nations. We benefited the most from the lifting of the Iran sanctions.
https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-domestic-economy/56956/decline-in-iran-turkey-trade

Our economy is diversified (cars, agricultural products, clothing, white goods). That's why Turkey will be among the biggest beneficiaries if the Arab world's economy growths.

Jordan 4% . Not sure if that is a country to highlight.

Iraq is basically KRG here if I am not wrong.

Turkey's main trade partner (by far) is Europe and not the Arab world. "Among biggest beneficiaries" is doubtful given that the West and China will always be much more dominating in terms of exports like they are everywhere else. Anyway if the Arab world continues its economic growth and related progress on all other fields, local industries will emerge on a bigger scale and replace much of the imports. Sure, Turkey will benefit (the trade will be mutual as it is now) but don't expect anything groundbreaking or a one-sided trade.

 

[Falcon29]

Lot's of AYRAAB money will do.

Amin El-Husseini.

Anyway I am all for us getting an Arab Adolf Hitler. Minus the ethnic genocide, dreams of world dominance, degree of socialism and ugly mustache.

Ayr is an inappropriate Iraqi slang term.

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

What I tried to describe was my lack of understanding of people who hate their brethren just because they happen to live across a artificial border (like most borders in the world) and recent border and have a different nationality that due to political circumstances now happen to be a political rival. What I am trying to say is that I don't see the same affinity or same relationship that most Arabs share and have (across the modern-day borders - I mentioned a few examples could mention many more and I am sure that other Arab users like @EgyptianAmerican could too in regards to Egypt) with their brethren of other nationalities. Yes, we are mostly all Muslims (with a significant Christian minority) but even the Muslim and Christian Arabs have the similar views of each other and relationship home and abroad. Especially in the diaspora where most rivalries disappear. For me that is quite hard to understand. For instance why should a Sri Lankan Tamil hate an Indian Tamil when they are the same people? Cant' they separate politics apart?

I have no doubt that Sri Lankans have their reasons for feeling hostile to India similar to how you wisely mentioned the Baltic nations and their relationship with their huge neighbor in Russia.

Please be specific? No countries that neighbor Russia are majority-Russian ethnic. Ukraine for instance has a large ethnic Russian minority (5-8 million big if not more) and look what they are doing currently. Fighting, mostly, against their country (Ukraine) in favor of their ethnic brethren in Russia. Crimea should ring a bell here.

Come on. There is a long way from "we should all consider ourselves as African" and to not understanding what I wrote. You cannot deny what I wrote. A Sri Lankan Tamil and a Indian Tamil across the strait are identical on almost every front aside from having a different nationality. Not some 1000 year old nationality but a 70 year old nationality. I will be brutally honest with you here and this is my personal experience and views based on a lot of things, but I don't look at the Saudi Arabian nationality as something that is completely distinct (rather the opposite) from all of our Arab neighbors. Not only that I have the same view with all Arab states more or less. And many if not most Arabs share the same view. Especially those that know their history. Sure today we live in a era of nation states but there should be limits to that. It could easily be argued based on history, dialect, cuisine, geography and even genetics that Hijazis have more in common with Egyptians and Southern Levant (Jordan, Palestine and Southern Syria) next door than we have with Eastern Arabia 1500 km away. But due to having lived in the same nation state for 85 + years this viewpoint has been challenged.

You are confusing Sri Lanka - India relationship with India - Pakistan. In Sri Lanka there's no special hatred towards India or Indians. Only fear of being absorbed into India and determination to maintain a unique identity. There are thousands of Indians working, visiting and living in Sri Lanka and likewise Sri Lankans in India without any issues.

Tamils are a minority in Sri Lanka and Sinhalese are only found in Sri Lanka. I honestly don't know how Tamils view India but as far as I know there's no special hatred in between 2 Tamil communities. It's just that Tamils in Sri Lankan cities have assimilated that they have more in common with us than a Tamil in India.
I will give you another example. East Asians have the same racial origins but years of living as seperate entities made Korea and Japan different from China. They don't identify as Chinese. In Sri Lanka, Sinhalese migration happened about 2500 years ago and there has been enough time to form a new identity and culture.

I will say again, none of us see Indians as enemies. Just don't like to be absorbed by them.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Ayr is an inappropriate Iraqi slang term.

I love the Iraqi dialect (Baghdadi and Southern Iraq, Maslawi sounds very funny in my eyes but I understand almost all of it) because it is so close to the Saudi Arabian dialects. No offense but Arabian dialects and Iraqi ones are the most manly Arabic dialects.

Anyway everything east of Algeria is fine to me. Algerian and especially Moroccan (non-Hassaniya) takes a few weeks to master fully but it is some journey once completed. Mauritania being a Hassaniya heartland is like a Mashriq oasis in the Maghreb, lol. Or more precisely a little Najdi oasis which might explain the significant Mauritanian community in KSA. Incredibly hospitable people.