Trasition to democracy by evicting a democratically elected president.
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I guess common sense is something non-existent in the genes egyptian seculars.
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last i checked sisi slaughtered 1000s of egyptians and political opponets and so far going unpunished & now became the next mubarak
Again, you assume. I have not stated that the ousting of the previous regime or the actions of the current regime are in any way helping Egypt transition to a liberal democratic nation, I hold all three regimes after the 25th of January revolution equally culpable in what is happening today in Egypt and the lack of progress, that means the SCAF, the MB, and the current transitional government. The next government may very well be held in the same regard by me.
Did seculars/copts ( seems like a fringe minitory since they lack the support to come to power via free fair elections and resorts to coups and military intervention) respect plurality?
They may not have, however, did the elected government respect plurality? It certainly did not.
Though i believe not all seculars r militant/tolelatarian minded as sisi & his supporters like u are.
It's a shame, I don't actually support Elsisi. You were doing so well in this debate.....
Neither its a Islamic state nor a normal state where lives of muslims are protected.
What? that doesn't make sense. Can you make that a bit clearer please.
. It can't gurantee ht esafety of its citizens and neither can it gurantee its soverginity since its ruled by sell out secular slave mentality elites who suck up to foreign powers and have a mercenary army that does Israel's bidding in the region.
First, I will address the mercenary army claim:
The Egyptian military is primarily a
conscripted force, which means it is primarily composed of soldiers from every walk of life in Egypt. That means it recruits soldiers from families stricken by poverty or blessed with affluence, it recruits people with different educational and political backgrounds. Simply put it represent every denomination in Egyptian society.
Only the Officer Corps and NCO's are volunteers, they are mainly recruited from lower middle class or middle class families, the upper class or the elite are not largely represented in the officers corps.
Secondly, the rest of your statement:
The security situation in Egypt is pretty dire, however, it is getting progressively better. However, this is usual particularly after a revolution in which the Police and Central Security forces almost disappeared leaving a power vacuum. However, the army has contributed its fare share and the interior forces are making a comeback, and both services have contributed many lives in order to return the stability and security that existed before the revolution.
Egypt is a sovereign nation, however, to prove it to you I will need to first educate you exactly what sovereignty is, since I can already tell you have no idea about politics or political theory:
Here is part of an essay I did on Anarchism a while back for uni:
The state in its simplest form is a political institution that is manufactured in order to regulate human relation in the society living under its artificial laws, before the birth of the organised state, a “state of nature” existed according to popular political theory.
The state in its current form relies on both internal and external sovereignty. Internal sovereignty is the acknowledgement of the state by its own subjects or citizens as the “most high and perpetual power”. In essence the state is recognised by its subjects as the supreme legislative and executive institution or body and thus has power over all other formal and informal institutions within the nation be they families, tribes, associations, businesses, unions, banks or other institutions that allow the state to project its power upon its citizens, for instance a police force. External sovereignty is the recognition of a particular state’s sovereign capacity over its own people by other states in the international system, without this recognition in the 21st century a state’s ability to effectively regulate its citizens can be curtailed as a result of international pressure and thus threatening its sovereignty.
The state relies on the principles of power and authority to maintain its sovereignty. In order to effectively enforce the legislation and policy introduced by its institutions or executive, the state must have the power to impose a decision over its citizens and if the citizen rebels against the state it must have the power to effectively limit the citizens’ rights in order to assure its survival. The power a state wields is derived from its “monopoly over the means of violence” as explained by German sociologist Max Weber. If a state can effectively use its most powerful regulatory institutions, the police force and army it can enjoy a monopoly on violence, civil disobedience can be severely limited and therefore the state can effectively enforce its laws over its citizens. Authority, both in legal and moral terms are also of the utmost importance, the state must have acknowledgment by its citizenry and by the international community that it has a right to exercise its power upon its citizenry and that it is the supreme law making and law enforcing institution of the nation. The nature of the state will not affect its desire to command authority, both democratic and totalitarian regimes will vie for authority even though their legitimacy may differ extremely from case to case.
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So is the Egyptian state able to enforce its laws upon the populace: yes. Is it internationally recognized: yes. Can any nation interfere in this process? no. Either way what you have written is irrelevant, it does not address the fact that Egypt is not a secular state and that the current elite have no intention of separating church from state. BTW can you explain secularism to me please?
As for doing Israels bidding in the region, the Egyptian Armed Forces has not been part of any military action in the MENA region since 1991. The same can not be said of some nations you may hold in high stead in the region, Qatar perhaps.
SO i guess "my ilk" (whatever u mean by it) understands exactly what egypt is.
Dim, naive, childish, unobservant and deal in absolutes. You have no idea.
As for all the haing aspects of sharia law , well Egypt is conservative muslim country like majority of the muslim world and the elites has to respect Islam above anything else otherwise there would be situations that their zionist/american masters can't even control. All what u mentioned are red lines that seculars/lliberals can not cross anywhere in the muslim world.
Who said the elite are not religious themselves?
Egypt is not experiencing a problem with religion (no matter how much the MB flap about it), it is experiencing political turmoil. Can you please look up liberalism and secularism before talking about them in such a manner, they are in no way conflicting with Islam (that is if you believe in an Islam which isn't filled with bigotry and hate).