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[Kamil_baku]

They don't. Arabs are tall people on average (native GCC people are the tallest in the region)



That's a Pakistani and the photo is from a protest in Pakistan. Nice try though.

No reply to my factual arguments as usual. As expected.



Wrong. Arabs conquered Caucasus (Khazaria) territory and Khazars never recuperated after this and disappeared in history.

Safavids were Kurds apparently while they claimed Arab and Azeri origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Khazar_wars

Arabs had an empire (the largest in history ever back then until the short-lived Mongols came 600 years later) that spanned from Spain in the West to China in the East! There were battles and wars on every front until lands were consolidated. Caucasus had little priority but was eventually conquered.

dude, those words i wrote was from the same link you shared...
you want to teach me my history?
you look smarter when you are silent...
those people are muslim because of Ottomans, not because of you.

 

[Mhmoud]

dude, those words i wrote was from the same link you shared...
you want to teach me my history?
you look smarter when you are silent...
those people are muslim because of Ottomans, not because of you.

And neither is it because of you.

The Ottomans and other empires do not relate to the people living nowadays. Let us not be so pathetic as to be proud of what our grandfather's have achieved. It means little to us now.

 

[Kamil_baku]

The women on the first video were a little bit on the chubby side.

Dude you seem like gay by posting girls pictures. It really show me your IQ level.. every country has beautiful people.. KSA are the last ones to talk because you always drive a car and never walk. All KSA girls and boys i have seen has tons of fat and belly. Smoking hookah doesnt make you hot..

 

[Timur]

And neither is it because of you.

The Ottomans and other empires do not relate to the people living nowadays. Let us not be so pathetic as to be proud of what our grandfather's have achieved. It means little to us now.

lol if they are not related then say that to that arab guys.. man but for that you do not have any intention to say arab history /emnpires are not related to the history of SA or else..

and than SC likes your comment ... LOL ROFL and whatever descripes that.. the one who shout out from every window I am a huge arab and we have such and such culture kingdoms and so on.. like that comment?

LOL I am out really lol that it too much my stomach hurts

 

[Mhmoud]

lol if they are not related then say that to that arab guys.. man but for that you do not have any intention to say arab history /emnpires are not related to the history of SA or else..

and than SC likes your comment ... LOL ROFL and whatever descripes that.. the one who shout out from every window I am a huge arab and we have such and such culture kingdoms and so on.. like that comment?

LOL I am out really lol that it too much my stomach hurts

What I meant was that the past is over. There have been empires that have risen and fallen, but it isn't logical to be proud just because you were descended from them. There is obviously a history and culture, but to make fun of somebody else just because their ancestors did so and so is not a valid mode for insult.
You can be a huge Arab but this does not necessarily mean that you hate other people.

I really don't understand your comment.

 

[Kamil_baku]

And neither is it because of you.

The Ottomans and other empires do not relate to the people living nowadays. Let us not be so pathetic as to be proud of what our grandfather's have achieved. It means little to us now.

I am not saying lie about Arabic history... but if somebody come and say lie and share the link which actually me me right, then he is Troll.
He better talk about arabic history, not about Khazar, which he knows nothing

 

[Timur]

What I meant was that the past is over. There have been empires that have risen and fallen, but it isn't logical to be proud just because you were descended from them. There is obviously a history and culture, but to make fun of somebody else just because their ancestors did so and so is not a valid mode for insult.
You can be a huge Arab but this does not necessarily mean that you hate other people.

I really don't understand your comment.

so some time left I do not laugh anymore..

maybe you dont know some of them its just ironic to make a thumbs up if you are one of the great ones doing the opposite..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

dude, those words i wrote was from the same link you shared...
you want to teach me my history?
you look smarter when you are silent...
those people are muslim because of Ottomans, not because of you.

Are you trolling or just lying?

Are you an Azerbaijani national? If you are, you should know that it were Arabs who spread Islam to Caucasus first and ruled it for centuries. You even have numerous mosques built by Arabs in modern-day Azerbaijan and you even have ancient Arab communities in Caucasus and several towns and villages named after Arabs in Caucasus.

Arabs defeated Khazars (who disappeared from history a few centuries later) in Caucasus.

Do you even have any relationship to those long-extinct Khazars? On the other hand we Arabs and historians overall know which Arab tribes, clans and dynasties took part in each single battle during all Islamic conquests and their genealogy (Arabs know/knew their genealogy better than any other people - this is explained in the Qur'an and historical works).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_the_Caucasus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_rule_in_Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Armenia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Azerbaijan

Which version of history have you been learning? Fake history invented 100 years ago?

Here is more for you:

Juma Mosque of Shamakhi


Date established 743-744

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Mosque,_Shamakhi

Bibi-Heybat Mosque

The mosque was built over the tomb of the daughter of the seventh Shiite Imam - Musa al-Kazim, who fled to Baku from persecution of caliphs. On the tomb there is carved on a stone inscription indicating that Ukeyma Khanum belongs to the sacred family: "Here was buried Ukeyma Khanum, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, the granddaughter of the sixth Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq, the daughter of the Seventh Imam Musei Kazym, sister of the eighth Imam Riza".[1]


View of the old mosque before restoration in 1911
Based on the writings on the south wall of a mosque, historians attribute the construction by the end of the 13th century. Arabic inscription on the mosque wall reads: "The work Mahmud ibn Sa'ad", which is the same architect who built the Nardaran Fortress near Baku.[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibi-Heybat_Mosque

And it is thanks to Arab Shia clerics that most of Azerbaijan is Shia Muslim today. Don't forget that either.

Arab Shia Ulama
After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[37][38][39][40]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[34][41][42][43] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s capital Tabriz.[44] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[36] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[45]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam#Arab_Shia_Ulama

Maybe all this is a lie too bro? Who knows you might have some Arab ancestors as many Azerbaijanis will have statistically (using simple mathematics). BTW I have seen 1000's of pro-Arab comments from Azerbaijanis under Arabic music videos on Youtube and other Arab-related videos. Many Azeris visit Najaf and Karbala and Makkah and Madinah.

So-called Turkmen in Iraq, 90% of them are from Azerbaijan and not Turkmenistan.

 

[Kamil_baku]

are you trying to troll or you really dont understand what im talking about?

You are right, Arabs conguered Azerbaijan and some part of Caucasia, WHich doesnt mean that you won Khazars, North Caucasia, which half of me from...
You could not passed Derbent twice, WHich is todays Dagestan, Chechnia, even though you attacked it after 10 years again... You cannot change the history or simply trying to fool those have no idea about Caucasia...
You are right, those Turkmen are Azeris and they speak exactly like me...
Azerbaijani people created and controlled Safavids... until 1736 when Farsi guy took the advantage that the king died and his son was 10-12 years old. He simply killed the last king(the child) and All of Azeri cities said that They will not accept him as a king. He attacked them and could not win any single city with 100,000 army. Go google about SHusha tower, Gelersen Gorersen tower which means "come and see the result" but, WHen Russians were told about it, They attacked immediately and took all those cities one after one.. because they spent runrendered for 3 month and didnt eat or drink anything, were vert tired...with the help of new artillary which they took from Europe they attacked eastern cities... That was the reason Russians became big... because all eastern cities were based on tower protection but with new artillery they had no defence... also no men to fight because every city was alone and had its sultan...

are you trying to troll or you really dont understand what im talking about?

You are right, Arabs conguered Azerbaijan and some part of Caucasia, WHich doesnt mean that you won Khazars, North Caucasia, which half of me from...
You could not passed Derbent twice, WHich is todays Dagestan, Chechnia, even though you attacked it after 10 years again... You cannot change the history or simply trying to fool those have no idea about Caucasia...
You are right, those Turkmen are Azeris and they speak exactly like me...
Azerbaijani people created and controlled Safavids... until 1736 when Farsi guy took the advantage that the king died and his son was 10-12 years old. He simply killed the last king(the child) and All of Azeri cities said that They will not accept him as a king. He attacked them and could not win any single city with 100,000 army. Go google about SHusha tower, Gelersen Gorersen tower which means "come and see the result" but, WHen Russians were told about it, They attacked immediately and took all those cities one after one.. because they spent runrendered for 3 month and didnt eat or drink anything, were vert tired...with the help of new artillary which they took from Europe they attacked eastern cities... That was the reason Russians became big... because all eastern cities were based on tower protection but with new artillery they had no defence... also no men to fight because every city was alone and had its sultan...

the problem you dont understand is, Khazar kingdom was starting from Derbent, basically you didnt win them, you had two fights and you lost two of them... Thats why Arabs could not go up to Russia... Go read some history first...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

are you trying to troll or you really dont understand what im talking about?

You are right, Arabs conguered Azerbaijan and some part of Caucasia, WHich doesnt mean that you won Khazars, North Caucasia, which half of me from...
You could not passed Derbent twice, WHich is todays Dagestan, Chechnia, even though you attacked it after 10 years again... You cannot change the history or simply trying to fool those have no idea about Caucasia...
You are right, those Turkmen are Azeris and they speak exactly like me...
Azerbaijani people created and controlled Safavids... until 1736 when Farsi guy took the advantage that the king died and his son was 10-12 years old. He simply killed the last king(the child) and All of Azeri cities said that They will not accept him as a king. He attacked them and could not win any single city with 100,000 army. Go google about SHusha tower, Gelersen Gorersen tower which means "come and see the result" but, WHen Russians were told about it, They attacked immediately and took all those cities one after one.. because they spent runrendered for 3 month and didnt eat or drink anything, were vert tired...with the help of new artillary which they took from Europe they attacked eastern cities... That was the reason Russians became big... because all eastern cities were based on tower protection but with new artillery they had no defence... also no men to fight because every city was alone and had its sultan...



the problem you dont understand is, Khazar kingdom was starting from Derbent, basically you didnt win them, you had two fights and you lost two of them... Thats why Arabs could not go up to Russia... Go read some history first...

Arabs conquered Caucasus from the nomadic Khazars. That's all that matters. Arabs and the Caliphate that we ruled and controlled stretched from France in the West to China in the East, any interest in conquering barren steppes and wastelands in modern-day Russia.


Map of the Khazar Khaganate in the 7th–9th centuries
Date 642–799
Location Ciscaucasia (esp. Dagestan), Transcaucasia (esp. Republic of Azerbaijan, Iranian Azerbaijan)[1]
Territorial
changes Transcaucasia falls under the control of the Caliphate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Khazar_wars

You see all that territory north of Caucasus. It's barren land mostly of no importance. No offense.

 

[Timur]

So-called Turkmen

Turkmen is like an ethnic name.. that does not mean they come from Turkmenistan

the turks of turkey called themselfes turkmen some time ago, this names can change.. azerbaycan turkmenistan turkey all are from same oghuz branch of turks.. they can easily understand each other..

Arabs and the Caliphate that we ruled

these arabs that you mention gived a shit to that nationalistic I am an arab or turk or whatever thing.. you should better say muslims instead of arabs..

 

[damm1t]

Yes, nationalism played a much smaller role than it does today in modern-day states but you can say the same about 99% of all Turkish users here on PDF and elsewhere. They also claim sole exclusivity to Ottomans despite 90% of all Turkish people not having any genetic ties to Turkic peoples (Ottomans was a Turkic Oghuz nomadic tribe that lived in the Arab world prior to entering Anatolia and before that Iran) and despite the fact that most citizens were Arabs, that Ottoman Turkish was more Arabic than Turkish/Turkic, that Arabic culture had a very big influence and impact on the Ottoman society, despite much of the lands being Arab lands, including all holy sites etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_language

Ironically the Ottoman rulers almost always intermarried with foreigners always. Caucasians, Ukrainians, Slavic people, Albanians etc. The current-day Ottomans are probably not even 5% Turkic genetically today.



99,9% of all Turks look nothing alike.

And here you have the family with even Western/Christian names.



Marrying Westerners.

BTW some Ottoman dynasts intermarried with Hijazi Hashemites (my family) BEFORE and AFTER the end of the Ottoman Empire.

Again this genetic sh!t... Don't you have any other argument? Everybody is free to marry whoever they want since Ottoman family has nothing left to do with modern Turkey. I do respect our history and great sultans but it was long ago and these people in the photo can't even get close to Ottoman heritage.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Turkmen is like an ethnic name.. that does not mean they come from Turkmenistan

the turks of turkey called themselfes turkmen some time ago, this names can change.. azerbaycan turkmenistan turkey all are from same oghuz branch of turks.. they can easily understand each other..



these arabs that you mention gived a shit to that nationalistic I am an arab or turk or whatever thing.. you should better say muslims instead of arabs..

Yes, nationalism played a much smaller role than it does today in modern-day states but you can say the same about 99% of all Turkish users here on PDF and elsewhere. They also claim sole exclusivity to Ottomans despite 90% of all Turkish people not having any genetic ties to Turkic peoples (Ottoman family was a Turkic Oghuz nomadic tribe that lived in the Arab world prior to entering Anatolia and before that Iran) and despite the fact that most citizens were Arabs, that Ottoman Turkish was more Arabic than Turkish/Turkic, that Arabic culture had a very big influence and impact on the Ottoman society, despite much of the lands being Arab lands, including all holy sites etc. You are an exception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_language

Ironically the Ottoman rulers almost always intermarried with foreigners. Caucasians, Ukrainians, Slavic people, Albanians etc. The current-day Ottomans are probably not even 5% Turkic genetically today.



98% of all Turks look nothing alike.

And here you have the family with even Western/Christian names.



Marrying non-Muslim Westerners.

BTW some Ottoman dynasts intermarried with Hijazi Hashemites BEFORE and AFTER the end of the Ottoman Empire.

So it is fine for Turks (citizens of Turkey), as I wrote, but if Arabs do it (we have more and much larger and more impactful Caliphates that were hardly influenced by any Turkish/Turkic people, unlike the other way around), it becomes a crime. It is this hypocrisy that I am addressing.

Again this genetic sh!t... Don't you have any other argument? Everybody is free to marry whoever they want since Ottoman family has nothing left to do with modern Turkey. I do respect our history and great sultans but it was long ago and these people in the photo can't even get close to Ottoman heritage.

My Circassian brother (Arabs welcomed more fleeing Circassians escaping Russian genocide than anybody else outside of modern-day Turkey, 100.000 descandents live in KSA alone, the Royal Guard in Jordan is composed of loyal Circassians etc.), read the context of this discussion. I am merely countering hypocrisy. We are not your enemies but historical friends. Arabs and Circassians (and Caucasus region in general) have had close historical ties. I myself have distant Circassian ancestry as I told you yesterday. Read what was written in "black" and highlighted.

I do not have a problem with Turkey or Turks at all (this would also mean having a problem with the millions of Turkish Arabs, Circassians and others) but it seems that a few Turkish users here hate 500 million Arabs for some reason. Yet Turkish trade relations with the Arab world are only second in importance to Turkey's trade with the EU. Tons of Turks live in the Arab world and visit it, descendants of Turkish people (even genuine Turkic people) live in the Arab world too. A few millions (!) in fact.

 

[damm1t]

My Circassian brother (Arabs welcomed more fleeing Circassians escaping Russian genocide than anybody else outside of modern-day Turkey, 100.000 descandents live in KSA alone, the Royal Guard in Jordan is composed of loyal Circassians etc.), read the context of this discussion. I am merely countering hypocrisy. We are not your enemies but historical friends. Arabs and Circassians (and Caucasus region in general) have had close historical ties. I myself have distant Circassian ancestry as I told you yesterday. Read what was written in "black" and highlighted.

I do not have a problem with Turkey or Turks at all (this would also mean having a problem with the millions of Turkish Arabs, Circassians and others) but it seems that a few Turkish users here hate 500 Arabs for some reason.

I know that many Circassians live there but it's irrevelant. I really do not care about past relations between nations, what I care is how other countries treat to my country right now, which is Turkey. We know who are our enemies and who are friends. Arab world gave more than one reason to get Turks hatred.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I know that many Circassians live there but it's irrevelant. I really do not care about past relations between nations, what I care is how other countries treat to my country right now, which is Turkey. We know who are our enemies and who are friends. Arab world gave more than one reason to get Turks hatred.

No, it is not irrelevant. It shows that relations are very positive and cordial. That is without looking at the historical (ancient) relations between the Arab world and Caucasus.

Yes, and Arabs have more reasons to be angry with modern-day Turkey and what the Ottomans did. We can easily play that game. Franky speaking, Arabs do not owe Turkey or Turks anything.

Last time I checked, you (Erdogan) made Egypt hostile THANKS to your policy. Egypt gains nothing from being hostile against Turkey. Or vice versa. You should blame your Erdogan.

Frankly speaking, what goes on in Egypt is an internal Egyptian matter and afterwards and internal Arab matter. If Egypt's government had been meddling the same way that Turkey did in Egypt, you would tell them to get lost as would most Turks. That's a fact. So don't blame Egypt. It's your stupid (Erdogan) policies. He is aliening other Arab countries too due to some of his actions while little stops the Arab world and Turkey from being close allies and economic partners.