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So... let's do it in the other side...
What if Israel, Turkey or any country aorund Egypt..send their armed fighters jets turning around Cairo... and all of egypt freely... without greenlight to do so ?
How Egypt should react?

These countries, they ain't sudan, Sudan ain't only extremely weak, they are claiming egyptian lands, supporting the Ethiopian plans for the dam, I'm sure it's kinda understandable especially that we have friends in the UN that would kind work on lowering the hit
 
You know very well I'm talking about you and your lame attempt at deflecting you inability to support your silly comment about the former Egyptian Chief of Staff blasting away with the C8. Now you think you're trying to tweak the discussion away from that -- because you have nothing -- by trying to make it a personal thing with me and that didn't work either and now trying to make it sound like an attack on Algeria loool. Classic silliness. :-)

Ok, so you have nothing to counter my 5 points about the shooting stance and discipline and all that, fine. Just a I expected anyway and like @Amun said, it goes without saying that one should never feed a troll, but I'm gonna make an exception in your case because I want to nip this Algeria BS in the behind once and for all. After this post you'll never be able to bring it up again like you have been for a while because when you do, people can always refer to this post to put you back in your place.

According to the great Lieutenant General Saad El Shazly, in the October war of 1973 (which started on October 6th and lasted through October 25th) these are all the military units that Egypt deployed.

Egyptian Forces in the battle.

Air Force
- 400 combat aircraft
- 70 transport aircraft
- 140 helicopters
Air Defenese
- 150 SAM battalions
- 2,500 anti-aircraft guns
Navy
- 12 submarines M5 destroyers
- 3 frigates
- 12 submarine chasers
- 17 OSA and KOMAR class missile patrol boats
- 30 SHERSHEN and p-6 motor-torpedo boats
- 14 minesweapers
- 14 landing craft
Combat forces
- 19 infantry brigades
- 8 mechanized brigades
- 10 armored brigades
- 3 airborne brigades
- 1 amphibious brigade
- 1 R-17E SSM brigade
- 1,700 tanks
- 2,500 armored vehicles
- 2,000 artillery units
- 1,500 anti-tank guns
- 700 ATGM
- 2500 recoilless launchers and RPG's

What did Algeria supply:

Algeria
- 1 MiG-21 squadron
- 1 MiG-17 squadron
- 1 Su-7 squadron
- 1 Armored brigade

While Shazly praised the effort, he ranked the Iraqi contributions as the BEST and most helpful and especially the Iraqi Hunters. He said their pilots were the best of the Arabs because of their experience, their bravery and their training. Egyptian pilots, for the majority of them, were basically young and newbies with under 2000 flight hours while the Iraqis and Israeli pilots had over 4000 hours and were much more experienced and trained. He said (and I quote his exact comment) "I pay particular tribute to the Iraqi Hunter pilots for the daring and skill of their anti-tank strikes in Sinai. They swiftly gained such a reputation that our field commanders, calling for air support, would frequently ask for the Iraqi squadron."

I quote Shazly's comment about the Algerian forces: "Its 3 squadrons arrived in Egypt through October 9-11. The armored brigade arrived on October 17. Apart from this military support, Algeria deposited $200 million with the Soviet Union in the first days of November to finance Egyptian and Syrian arms purchases. (GHQ was ordered to prepare hundred-million-dollar list of needs.)"

He also said that Algeria sent the one armored division without being asked which is very admirable.

That's it. While it's certainly admirable and all us Egyptians are grateful for all the support, from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, and Tunisia, let's not get carried away with the saving our asses fantasy, ok habibi?



Excellent move. Send the cavalry and project whatever power is necessary to send a message. I have absolutely no problem with what they did and I actually would be even more aggressive about it. Do whatever it takes to send a message that our national security is not something to be toyed with and that we will act in whatever way is necessary to protect that security. Enough of the shenanigans that these "outside" elements are trying to do. There will be consequences to those kinds of things. For their sake, let's hope they get the message.
Tonite, I will post 3 video’s a co-production of Egypt and Algeria and you all keyboard soldiers will see by yourselves the extent of the Algerian contribution to the Suez wars, in manpower, equipment, and especially the role of the Algerian soldiers in stopping cold the Ariel Sharon onslaught who’s tank brigade was completely destroyed including the troops that were protecting it, the downing of a US C5 galaxy and the damage of two others...It was the Sharon *** whipping by the Algerian troops that brought the Israelis to the négociation table...Your forces were laminated , surrounded and starved to death... and the one that weren’t surrounded were victory parading in Cairo, not knowing that Sharon was parading with his troops in the déversoir..
And to this, the Egyptian Army hasn’t learned one damn thing after all the molestation she suffered from Israelis troops.
 
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Tonite, I will post 3 video’s a co-production of Egypt and Algeria and you all keyboard soldiers will see by yourselves the extent of the Algerian contribution to the Suez wars, in manpower, equipment, and especially the role of the Algerian soldiers in stopping cold the Ariel Sharon onslaught who’s tank brigade was completely destroyed including the troops that were protecting it, the downing of a US C5 galaxy and the damage of two others...It was the Sharon *** whipping by the Algerian troops that brought the Israelis to the négociation table...Your forces were laminated , surrounded and starved to death... and the one that weren’t surrounded were victory parading in Cairo, not knowing that Sharon was parading with his troops in the déversoir..
And to this, the Egyptian Army hasn’t learned one damn thing after all the molestation she suffered from Israelis troops.
:astagh::crazy::crazy:
 
Well you all were accepted the Sadat and Mubarak propaganda blind you to the real facts..like I said, as always..it is the Algerian forces that pushed Israel to sit at the négociation table...not your army..who was obliterated by the IDF...
You have never learned how to fight, nor have the know how or the stamina to fight a war...Even to this day, nobody comprehend how an army of almost à million soldiers, armed to the teeth can even control a portion of her territory...Sinai is almost no man land to your forces as the territories along the Lybian border..So grow up and face the reality that your army is as capable as the Saudi one.
 
Well you all were accepted the Sadat and Mubarak propaganda blind you to the real facts..like I said, as always..it is the Algerian forces that pushed Israel to sit at the négociation table...not your army..who was obliterated by the IDF...
You have never learned how to fight, nor have the know how or the stamina to fight a war...Even to this day, nobody comprehend how an army of almost à million soldiers, armed to the teeth can even control a portion of her territory...Sinai is almost no man land to your forces as the territories along the Lybian border..So grow up and face the reality that your army is as capable as the Saudi one.

You seriously have an issue bruv, their Severe infertility complex, damn aye you are so butthurt for nothing lol, it's hilarious yet very sad

You seriously have an issue bruv, this** Severe infertility complex, damn aye you are so butthurt for nothing lol, it's hilarious yet very sad
 

That's such a great video lol. Every time someone posts it I get a huge kick out of the one-eyed bandit and his extremely arrogant cockiness, bringing journalists to the Barlev line and showing off and then telling them if he was to chose between Egyptian diplomatic demands or Egyptian fire, he would chose our fire...well...guess what? LOLOL! Not only did he get his wish LOL, his rear-end and ultimate demise was lit up by that Egyptian fire! :lol:

BTW, bro, did you know that the one-eyed bandit (Moshe Dayan in case anyone reading this hasn't figured that out yet) was actually on the western bank of the canal on October 20th or roughly around that date and an Egyptian crew in a Mi-8 flew right over him and his band of thugs and they dropped (by hand, mind you) a napalm bomb that missed him by about 50 yards? There's a book I'll have to find it where there are actually colored pictures of that event as he had his body guards with him and of course, journalists since he always had to parade anything he could and show it off and a pic of the helicopter buzzing about 100 meters above them, the orange explosion of the hand-dropped bomb in the background of palm trees and such and him ducking down on the ground and the look on his face of ultimate fright was almost the best thing ever loooool. To bad those martyrs missed that SOB because the helo was shot down about a kilometer up since it penetrated the entire Israeli pocket and it was basically a one-way mission for those heroes and it would've been great had they scored and it landed directly on his bald head. But what courage and bravery to attempt something like that, on a criminal who thought he would prefer Egyptian fire over Egyptian diplomacy lol. :tup:


Of course he didn't post anything, just as I expected, since it's "tomorrow morning" now here in the US lol, just like he couldn't bring anything about his phantom/pretend criticism of the Chief of Staff blasting away with the C8. Tab3an mafeesh haga. :-)
 
You seriously have an issue bruv, their Severe infertility complex, damn aye you are so butthurt for nothing lol, it's hilarious yet very sad
Do not make laugh, we are pure bread, if there is an infertility complex, it is Egyptians not Amazigh..
 
Tonite, I will post 3 video’s a co-production of Egypt and Algeria and you all keyboard soldiers will see by yourselves the extent of the Algerian contribution to the Suez wars, in manpower, equipment,

Pay attention, I already listed it to you.

and especially the role of the Algerian soldiers in stopping cold the Ariel Sharon onslaught who’s tank brigade was completely destroyed including the troops that were protecting it,

Sharon was battered and stopped from moving north to the rear of the 2nd Army by the EGYPTIAN 150th and 182nd parachute brigade supported by the 21st and 16th Egyptian Armored divisions from the 2nd Army. Please don't bring any fantasies of phantom happenings to people who's studied and know all the details of this war.

It was the Sharon *** whipping by the Algerian troops that brought the Israelis to the négociation table...

LOL! 3 squadrons that stayed grounded for the most part of the war and 1 armored brigade did all this fantasy? Ok...lol

Your forces were laminated , surrounded and starved to death...

Go back and watch the 2nd video in @The SC 's last post and Elazar said about the 3rd army and the state they were in. Refresh your memory. The only things being laminated here are your classic fantasy posts.

Better yet, here's his comment minute 6:10 of the 2nd video:

"As for the third army, in spite of our encircling them they resisted and advanced to occupy in fact a wider area of land at the east. Thus we cannot say we defeated or conquered them." David Elazar


Laminate that.

and the one that weren’t surrounded were victory parading in Cairo, not knowing that Sharon was parading with his troops in the déversoir..

Complete nonsense, as this is getting childishly absurd.

And to this, the Egyptian Army hasn’t learned one damn thing after all the molestation she suffered from Israelis troops.

The only molestation happening here are at all your fantasies. Try to get a grip.
 
LOL! 3 squadrons that stayed grounded for the most part of the war and 1 armored brigade did all this fantasy? Ok...lol
True, but the difference is they had teeth and they carried the missions that were assigned to the them with success. They kept Cairo and the industrial zone of Helouan safe from the israeli aircraft..

Sharon was battered and stopped from moving north to the rear of the 2nd Army by the EGYPTIAN 150th and 182nd parachute brigade supported by the 21st and 16th Egyptian Armored divisions from the 2nd Army. Please don't bring any fantasies of phantom happenings to people who's studied and know all the details of this war.
Sharon was not battered, your army was surrounded and starved to death, and the reminder of your forces were parading in Cairo for an elusive victory, not knowing that Ariel was dancing the two steps in the deversoir. It was the Algerian 8BB tank brigade that stopped him cold on his trail and suffered severe losses. lost his tank brigade and over 700 hundred of his troops, the best of Israel.

Pay attention, I already listed it to you.
You listed what Egypt government let you know..They were squadron of light bombers Il 28, they were batteries Sams that downed the US C5 galaxy and damaged to other ones...They were long range field guns that covered your retreats..in fact the actual Algerian COS was manning one of the batteries
Algeria's losses were almost inexistant comparing to yours ant to the Israelis, they lost one mig 17 to the Egyptians anti aircraft guns with the pilot killed (same thing happened to the north Korean migs)and one badly hit by the Israelis but the pilot managed to bring it back and landed safely.
I have just posted the said video's..enjoy!
 
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The Egyptian Air Force’s first three Rafale DMs, 9251 (c/n DM01, pictured), 9252 (c/n DM02) and 9253 (c/n DM03), handed over in July 2015 were previously allocated to the French Air Force as 8352, B353 and B354, resplectively.

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft32381.htm
 
I believe that the Army needs a bit of shaking up, and for its size, it could be a competent expeditionary force.

Agree. But much of that size is swallowed by the Military Region system. Few units are actually prepared [organisationally] to deploy abroad.

(like, who will Algeria invade?)

No one. But it makes some sense for the Algerians. They have a 1000km coastline with a limited number of Naval bases but lots of depth to cover.

Their capability is targeted inward rather than outward. As such the Beni Abbas is quite different to the Mistrals.

It would be really good for the tanks to pursue the tank killer option rather than the urban warfare, because any commander that orders tanks into a city should be fired. The IFVs should be the ones for urban combat.

There's not much that can replace a tank in any field. They are essential in both urban and desert environments. You just need to know how to use them.

I believe that the Army must not accept too many conscripts unless in a total war scenario, whereby it is essential. Having them operate M1s and other heavy equipment brings me doubts as to how organised they will be

Only so much of the Egyptian reserves are actually of any use. Last book I read on the October war put a figure of 100,000 usable conscripts out of a half million reserves.

We must focus on a real and highly professional army that is willing to handle equipment professionally under extreme pressure.

Problem with an entirely professional force for Egypt is cost. Conscripts are poorly paid, housed, and have little benefits. Regulars would require fat better accommodation, pay, and pensions.

I would much rather see a partial professionalization of the force [especially ground close combat roles] and a change in the way we process and train conscripts.

While I agree with everything you said, the only problem I have is what other helicopter choice of the caliber of the Katran do they have to equip the Mistrals with? Nothing

My objection isn't to the helicopter type. It is the mixing of the fleet. I would not talk down a Russian alternative to a Western utility/ASW helicopter. They may be less capable but it would make far more sense than the Katran and THE NH-90.

So maybe they don't want to be sea-fairing and these ships will strictly be used for Egyptian territorial waters and they'll be within reach of the new naval bases and they're not interested in moving beyond that

Then it will be a show pony rather than a serious capability. It's that simple.

The US would never partner in such a venture and if others did, that would earn us yet another infraction but hey, at this point, what's the dif, right?

I doubt there are any restrictions on using our own ammunition for MBTs. At this point its just an excuse. There has been very little (none actually) indigenous work on M60A3 and T - XX series tanks. Both of which we have had for decades with zero strings attached to them.

Tell me what alternative is there?

I'm not entirely convinced there was a need for a new MBT. Was there any justification for jumping from 105/115mm guns to 125mm? Is there a need for heavy armour in mechanised formations?

The tanks that are being replaced were primarily fire support platforms rather than MBTs. Would something like a Stryker/IFV force been more suitable?

Brits would laugh at us, those snots! :D

We don't make tanks anymore :'(

The C7 & C8 are all identical copies of the M-16/AR-15/M4.

Better tho ;)
 
Agree. But much of that size is swallowed by the Military Region system. Few units are actually prepared [organisationally] to deploy abroad.



No one. But it makes some sense for the Algerians. They have a 1000km coastline with a limited number of Naval bases but lots of depth to cover.

Their capability is targeted inward rather than outward. As such the Beni Abbas is quite different to the Mistrals.



There's not much that can replace a tank in any field. They are essential in both urban and desert environments. You just need to know how to use them.



Only so much of the Egyptian reserves are actually of any use. Last book I read on the October war put a figure of 100,000 usable conscripts out of a half million reserves.



Problem with an entirely professional force for Egypt is cost. Conscripts are poorly paid, housed, and have little benefits. Regulars would require fat better accommodation, pay, and pensions.

I would much rather see a partial professionalization of the force [especially ground close combat roles] and a change in the way we process and train conscripts.



My objection isn't to the helicopter type. It is the mixing of the fleet. I would not talk down a Russian alternative to a Western utility/ASW helicopter. They may be less capable but it would make far more sense than the Katran and THE NH-90.



Then it will be a show pony rather than a serious capability. It's that simple.



I doubt there are any restrictions on using our own ammunition for MBTs. At this point its just an excuse. There has been very little (none actually) indigenous work on M60A3 and T - XX series tanks. Both of which we have had for decades with zero strings attached to them.



I'm not entirely convinced there was a need for a new MBT. Was there any justification for jumping from 105/115mm guns to 125mm? Is there a need for heavy armour in mechanised formations?

The tanks that are being replaced were primarily fire support platforms rather than MBTs. Would something like a Stryker/IFV force been more suitable?



We don't make tanks anymore :'(



Better tho ;)
Already the army is partially professional, it has 40% of it made by volunteers, 60% of conscripts we can say half of them are basically slave labor.
We can't do anything more regarding this cause of low GDP, we manufacture a large portion of our equipment and that costs money. As far as I'm comes to power projection I can pretty much see our paratroopers or thunderbolt units preforming very well abroad. Btw have any one heard about the mega projects we signed with the iraqi government with millions of dollars? We will be building schools, hospitals and training the army and police.
I see us might be making a military base there which is just gonna be a stab in ankara's back, we will be in their backyard
 

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