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No, I found it like this on Google while I was checking Egyptian protests (You can check it) :), as for "obsession" with Iran, not really, but you guys are all over the place and I get to counter your propaganda.


Bwhahahahahhaah mullah hussein doubts your islam. Now go in the corner and say 10000 hail maries. :P
 
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@BLACKEAGLE you should speak about things you are enough smart to speak about.

First you should know that Iranian regime lives with a propaganda INSIDE system... dedicated to the people
when Iran said Egypt was doing like the revolution of Iran for Islamic republic and take the model of Iran , this was for inside propaganda

of course nobody believes that Morsi and MB ... would not care about MB in Syria
nobody seriously think Iran can influence or have any importance in the Egyptian matter

get it?

Bwhahahahahhaah mullah hussein doubts your islam. Now go in the corner and say 10000 hail maries. :P
he spends his time saying lies.
And by the way it is not enough to say i would be mullah to give you some credit .

saying i am mullah shows how stupid and hatred guy you are.

and well i don't care about the opinion of a taliban ;)
 
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Islamic world is Fcukedup Because of Dajjal Unwanted Sons with guns .:D

Weak islamic world Good for Israel Big war .
 
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@BLACKEAGLE you should speak about things you are enough smart to speak about.

Are you for real man? :girl_wacko:

Islamic world is Fcukedup Because of Dajjal Unwanted Sons with guns .:D

Weak islamic world Good for Israel Big war .

There is no "Islamic world", your country is called India, a secular country, just stick to it.
 
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@al-hassani ...just curious Gamal Abdul Nasir...was taken as arab or african ..is their any arab-african tribe...or difference between arab and african muslim tribes..well what i read, he was arab nationalist leader..
 
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@al-hassani ...just curious Gamal Abdul Nasir...was taken as arab or african ..is their any arab-african tribe...or difference between arab and african muslim tribes..well what i read, he was arab nationalist leader..

Well, what do you mean by African? African is not an ethnic group just a geographical term. Africans is a very diverse term. A black South African has little or no relations to a Egyptian 8.000 km north of South Africa or a Moroccan. Likewise a Somali/Ethiopian has little connection to a Senegalese 10.000 km towards the West.

Saudis and North Koreans are both "Asians" but what those that say? Not really anything. Inuits living in Siberia are also Asians and what have they in common with Pakistanis?

Arabs/Semtiic people have an ancient presence in both North Africa/Horn of Africa/Swahili Coast and the Middle East (Levant, Iraq, Arabian Peninsula) that goes thousands years back. In fact we all share a largely similar origin which modern day genetics have confirmed, aside from the cultural, social, linguistic, historical and religious aspects.

Arab tribes are found all over the Arab world. But that does not mean that people are tribal in the sense of the word.

Regarding Gamal Abdel Nasser then read this below:

According to biographer Robert Stephens, the inhabitants of Beni Mur belonged to an Arab tribe that hailed from the Hejaz—the western part of the Arabian Peninsula. Stephens said Nasser's family had tribal inclinations and a sense of personal loyalty, differing from that of most Egyptians. Gamal Abdel Nasser's daughter, Hoda, said she was not informed of her family's lineage, but suspects the claim of its Arabian descent to be accurate. In addition, Gamal's biographers wrote that his family believed strongly in the "Arab notion of glory,"[4] citing the naming of Gamal's brother, Izz al-Arab ("Glory of the Arabs"); the name is a rare occurrence in Egypt, as well as other parts of the Arab world.[5]

The presence of the Haplogroup J-P209 across the world which is the most common haplogroup among all Arab countries in the world today and among all Semitic people:

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Anyway we Arabs have mixed with other Semitic people since ancient times, even on the Arabian Peninsula since we Arabs did not come out of nothing obviously we have Semitic ancestors that we share with all Semitic people and we have intermarried etc. It is not different in Egypt. But yes, there are Arab tribes in Egypt that are still very conscious about their tribe and traditions but most Arabs today, that includes the Arabian Peninsula, just identify as Arabs today and their home countries and not only with their tribes although there is a strong sense of pride of ones family/past/tribes and ancestry.

In regards to Egypt then Hejaz, my home region, is a neighbor of Egypt and only the narrow Red Sea separates us. Even our dialects are quite close. Migrations have taken place back and forth and we even have a lot of Egyptians in KSA.

Anyway this is all off-topic my friend and let us not derail the thread although it is difficult, I know.;)
 
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MB is democratically elected and hence can not be ousted by such mobs. It won't be good for egypt. The real problem in the muslim world are seculars. They can't stand anything except for their slave mentality secular ideology. Turkey's case is the same. MB should now try to consolidate power and show some spine in leadership if it wants to save egypt from secular intolerant tyrants, tyrants that have ruined egypt throughout the 20th century. If they lack leadership skills to fend off against such obstacles then they don't deserve power no matter how much democratic it is.
 
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Well, what do you mean by African? African is not an ethnic group just a geographical term. Africans is a very diverse term. A black South African has little or no relations to a Egyptian 8.000 km north of South Africa or a Moroccan. Likewise a Somali/Ethiopian has little connection to a Senegalese 10.000 km towards the West.

Saudis and North Koreans are both "Asians" but what those that say? Not really anything. Inuits living in Siberia are also Asians and what have they in common with Pakistanis?

Arabs/Semtiic people have an ancient presence in both North Africa/Horn of Africa/Swahili Coast and the Middle East (Levant, Iraq, Arabian Peninsula) that goes thousands years back. In fact we all share a largely similar origin which modern day genetics have confirmed, aside from the cultural, social, linguistic, historical and religious aspects.

Arab tribes are found all over the Arab world. But that does not mean that people are tribal in the sense of the word.

Regarding Gamal Abdel Nasser then read this below:



The presence of the Haplogroup J-P209 across the world which is the most common haplogroup among all Arab countries in the world today and among all Semitic people:

2i8ep10.png


Anyway we Arabs have mixed with other Semitic people since ancient times, even on the Arabian Peninsula since we Arabs did not come out of nothing obviously we have Semitic ancestors that we share with all Semitic people and we have intermarried etc. It is not different in Egypt. But yes, there are Arab tribes in Egypt that are still very conscious about their tribe and traditions but most Arabs today, that includes the Arabian Peninsula, just identify as Arabs today and their home countries and not only with their tribes although there is a strong sense of pride of ones family/past/tribes and ancestry.

In regards to Egypt then Hejaz, my home region, is a neighbor of Egypt and only the narrow Red Sea separates us. Even our dialects are quite close. Migrations have taken place back and forth and we even have a lot of Egyptians in KSA.

Anyway this is all off-topic my friend and let us not derail the thread although it is difficult, I know.;)

Interesting read.

Sami Moubayed



Forty years after his death at the age of 52, president Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt still raises plenty of controversy throughout the Arab and Muslim world.

There are many theories regarding Nasser’s untimely death in 1970, ranging from heart failure to poisoning at the hands of his Russian masseuse. Nasser was famously wrapping up an Arab summit aimed at ending war in Jordan between King Hussein and Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian Liberation Organization.

After seeing off his Kuwaiti guest, Prince Sabah Salem al-Sabah, the Egyptian leader collapsed and was proclaimed dead on September 28, 1970. Today, 40 years down the road, Nasser’s trusted aide, the Anwar Sadat, poisoned the Egyptian leader, has created uproar in Egypt by implying that Nasser’s deputy and successor, Anwar Sadat, poisoned the Egyptian leader.

Sadat was the third president of Egypt, serving from October 1970 until his assassination by fundamentalists on October 6, 1981.

Speaking on his program on the Doha-based al-Jazeera on September 16, Haikal said that both he and Sadat were present at a meeting at the Hilton Hotel in Cairo between Nasser and Arafat. Sadat noticed that Nasser was very tired, offering to make him a cup of coffee. He asked Nasser’s private cook to leave the kitchen, prepared the coffee, which Nasser drank – and died three days later.

The story ripped through Egypt and the Arab world like thunder, eliciting an immediate response from Sadat’s family, which sued Haikal for reputation slander. A few years back, Nasser’s daughter accused Sadat of killing her father and was fined 150,000 Egyptian pounds (US$25,120) by a Cairo court for slandering Sadat’s reputation.

Her brother Abdul Hakim Nasser called on Egyptian authorities to investigate Haikal’s claim, adding that one of Nasser’s aids, who later served under Sadat, had concealed nail clippings of the late president and snippets of his hair, to prevent a laboratory investigation on the causes of death.

Abdul Hakim noted that he was aware of the coffee incident but said there was no evidence to date implicating Sadat in his father’s murder. Speaking to an Egyptian daily, he said, “My father was a target of the American CIA and of the Israeli Mossad. There were a lot of people at the talks at the Nile Hilton. Even if you assume my father was poisoned, it is impossible to say who was involved.”

Nasser’s physician, al-Sawy Habib, ended his own 40 years of silence by penning an article for the mass-circulation daily al-Ahram, saying that Nasser suffered from myocardial infarction (the interruption of blood supply to the heart), hypercholesterolemia (high levels of cholesterol) and high blood pressure. Many members of Nasser’s family, including his mother, brothers, sisters and uncles, had died in their 50s, he added.

Haikal’s story, however, raises plenty of questions, for a variety of reasons. One is Haikal’s age, currently at 87, along with the fact that Haikal is known for weaving tales impossible to verify, filled with nothing but dead witnesses.

One question that comes to mind is why Haikal has waited 40 years to come out with such a bold statement. Why didn’t he do it when emotions were high against Sadat, during his 1977 visit to Jerusalem or after the signing of the Camp David Accords? Why didn’t he do it when Sadat fired him from his job at al-Ahram in February, 1974?

Another fact that raises doubt over Haikal’s argument is the status of Sadat in September 1970. He was a senior member of the Egyptian government, an ex-speaker of parliament serving as vice president. It is doubtful that he would offer to make Nasser’s coffee himself. And even if he wanted to kill his long-time friend and mentor, he would not have gotten his own hands dirty with such a crime, preferring to do it through a third party. Additionally, Nasser – unlike Arafat – was very careful when it came to his security after having suffered an assassination attempt in Alexandria in 1954.

The entire ordeal is a sad repetition of what was debated, behind closed doors, throughout the Arab world for most of the 20th century. It is a common argument for any leader who dies while in office without falling ill.

When Syrian president Taj al-Din al-Hasani died at the age of 57 in 1943, rumors circulated in Damascus that he had been poisoned by his doctors. When the author of Syria’s first republican constitution, Fawzi al-Ghazzi, died of poisoning at the age of 38 in 1929, Syrian courts accused his wife of killing him to pursue a love affair with his nephew.

Today, 81 years later, theories are emerging that he might have been poisoned by French intelligence. The same story emerged when Arafat died, also of unnatural causes – believed to be poisoning – in November 2004.

The Haikal “bombshell”, as the Egyptian press is labeling it, opens the door wide for similar future arguments, blaming perhaps current Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas of “poisoning” Arafat. When taking the Gaza Strip in 2007, Hamas claimed it found documents implicating one of Arafat’s aides, Mohammad Dahlan, ex-chief of preventive security, of having discussed “slaughtering” Arafat with then-Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon.

Even if these figures were indeed murdered, the sad truth is that we will never know who killed them because archiving in the Arab world is poor – to say the least – and those who knew what happened, with the notable exception of Haikal, have taken the truth with them to the grave.

In Arafat’s case, for example, many Palestinians insist he was poisoned by Mossad. There is no way to verify that since last August, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu signed off on prolonging the confidentiality of national archives related to events before, during and after the war of 1948.

Anything related to the early years of the Zionist state and its relationship with the Arabs will therefore remain classified until 2018. Interestingly, the entire Nasser-Sadat ordeal resurfaces amid plenty of talk in the region about yet another political murder, that of Rafik al-Hariri, the ex-prime minister of Lebanon, in February 2005.

Hariri’s fortunes, and the audacity of the George W Bush White House, apparently entitled him to a special international tribunal to hunt down his assassins, costing millions of dollars. This is a luxury that neither Nasser nor Arafat had.

Just like we never really knew if Lee Harvey Oswald gunned down US president John F Kennedy on that fateful day in Dallas in November 1963, we might never know whether Nasser simply died young or was killed at the hands of one of his many opponents.

Sami Moubayed is editor-in-chief of Forward Magazine in Syria. This article appeared in Asia Times on October 8, 2010 entitled, “Egyptian Journalist Tells Poisoner’s Tale.”
 
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I'm not that familiar with Egyptian politics. Many people came out and said that there would not be a civil war say in, Turkey when the protests happening because obviously thats not close to happening in Turkey.

Nobody is ruling that out in Egypt though unfortunately and that's what scares me.


Would the mainstream Islamists react to a coup with violence? I know there are already insurgents in the Sinai but I mean in Cairo, big cities, etc..

Edit: I guess there could also be massive secular vs islamist violence that would kinda be a three way civil war too? (Army fighting both sides, trying to quell violence)
 
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I dont think it will happen, army will step in if there is such situation, and brotherhood is not that strong. They have lost their secular and christian allies now.
 
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Egyptian want their cold beer back on their table.
 
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I dont think it will happen, army will step in if there is such situation, and brotherhood is not that strong. They have lost their secular and christian allies now.

Well from what I'm seeing, it's already inevitable that the army will step in.


Any Egyptians on the forum that are familiar with the issue?
 
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Civil War between who?

The majority of Egyptians are Sunni Muslims, and are very tolerant of the minorities. So no sectarian war.

Civil War between the Political Parties? No.

The Army will crush any war in seconds. Its very disciplined and isn't going to let some idiots start anything.
 
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Thəorətic Muslim;4478996 said:
Civil War between who?

The majority of Egyptians are Sunni Muslims, and are very tolerant of the minorities. So no sectarian war.

Civil War between the Political Parties? No.

The Army will crush any war in seconds. Its very disciplined and isn't going to let some idiots start anything.
civil war between islamists and rest (copts + secularists) ... not much chance though..
 
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Thəorətic Muslim;4478996 said:
Civil War between who?

The majority of Egyptians are Sunni Muslims, and are very tolerant of the minorities. So no sectarian war.

Civil War between the Political Parties? No.

The Army will crush any war in seconds. Its very disciplined and isn't going to let some idiots start anything.

Hmm. What if Egyptian Army tactics were interpreted as heavy handed by Islamists? That could mobilize enough people for an insurgency. Keep in mind it only takes several thousand people to keep an insurgency going for decades (PKK for example)
 
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