Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[Audio]

Protesters ransack the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters. Khalil Hamra, AP

Free AC unit. MB's social welfare programme finally kicking in.

 

[flamer84]

Free AC unit. MB's social welfare programme finally kicking in.

Weren't AC'S haram for women according to some cleric?)

 

[Anees]

A protester chants slogans against Morsi during a rally at Tahrir Square. Manu Brabo, AP

Opponents of the president protest. Khalil Hamra, AP

A man takes a photo under an anti-government banner depicting Morsi in Cairo. The words on the banner read, "The end of the reign of terror." Khalil Hamra, AP

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

What happened ? What turned the Egyptians against Morsi/ MB ?

 

[Anees]

Opponents of Morsi chant slogans as the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters burns in Alexandria, Egypt. Heba Khamis, AP

An opposition protester defends himself with a chair and knife during a battle with supporters of President Mohammed Morsi in Damietta. Hamada Elrasam, AP

 

[somebozo]

A protester shouts slogans against Morsi. Amr Nabil, AP

He cap says Ikwan Kaziboon means Ikhwan are Liars..ha ha...so much for shariah trolls!

 

[Cyberian]

Are these anti-Government protesters even Muslim or non-Muslim stooges?

 

[Audio]

Weren't AC'S haram for women according to some cleric?)

Yea....

This fatwa was issued on Twitter by self-professed Salafist-Wahhabist cleric Abdul Ala. His fatwa reads: “Turning on the cooler ventilator is prohibited for women in the absence of their husbands [because] the woman’s act is very dangerous, and may bring about immorality in the society. When she turns the cooler on, someone may notice her presence [in the] home, and this might bring about immorality”.

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[flamer84]

Are these anti-Government protesters even Muslim or non-Muslim stooges?

What's important is that they are egyptians

 

[somebozo]

Egyptian army takes over state TV as military, opposition heads meet

Egypt braces for showdown: Army vehicles surround state TV building

I hope Pakistani Generals learn something from this.

Coups are back..

Lets prepare another plane for Mian Saheb.

This time to be shot mid-air in suspicious SAM attack and not to land safely in Jeddah.

 

[Sedqal]

This time to be shot mid-air in suspicious SAM attack and not to land safely in Jeddah.

A replay of Zia!?

 

[somebozo]

@BLACKEAGLE you are very confusing man..sometimes you side with Islamist trolls and sometimes you cherish their defeat. Islamists good in Syria, Bad in Egypt and Jordan...????

I voted for President Morsi, but I regret it.
I wish he'd implement the Islamic project - as he promised - and Sharia law, that's why we voted for him.

These people were just fooled by the falsified glory of Islam..not they are getting the bitter taste.

 

[Frogman]

The military will always be one of the greatest hurdles for the establishment and growth of democracy. It is irrelevant if the nations are Muslim or Middle Eastern, the dominance of the military and its role in destroying the nation it is sworn to protect is the overarching storyline through out world history. A government chosen by the people has no place for the ambitions of military men. It is then natural to expect an entity, that would only see its influence diminish under a real democracy, fight tooth and nail against any substantive change.

The Egyptian military exists as an extension of a bygone era. A present entity taking advantage of the respect its predecessors earned in bloody conflicts of the past. Egyptian problems are far more local in nature today. Domestic issues that require local law enforcement and wider infrastructural development, not soldiers in tanks. Were democracy to become entrenched within the Egyptian state, the military would find itself increasingly sidetracked by the needs of the people. Of course, as far as the military is concerned, how dare the needs of the Egyptian people take precedence over the military? There in lies the problem faced by most nations with a rich military tradition. When threatened, the military begins to take advantage of that reservoir of sympathy and respect and does so while reaching for its own goals, at the expense of the people.

For democracy to flourish, the military power has to be kept in check. Of course, a military which exists to protect its people will enjoy greater support than an elected leader who has to make hard decisions with limited resources. For that matter, if I stood on the sidelines and criticized Egyptian leadership, I would find my popularity increase too. The point is, it will take many years to fix the mess Egypt finds itself in and these problems will not disappear without pain and sacrifice. Concurrently the nation will need all that time to gain a grasp of what democracy means. A chance to learn what they want from their leaders and what qualifies one to be a leader. There will be bad leaders, terrible maybe, but the beauty of true democracy is that those leaders will never come into power again and stand as a vivid example of the type of figure the Egyptians will never elect again. For all this to happen, the military cannot be allowed to repeatedly take control by playing on the sympathy of the Egyptian people. A military dictator is forever, civilian incompetence is temporary. It is up to the Egyptians to decide what they prefer.

I agree with the overall message, however, as it stands the Egyptian military still isn't under civilian oversight or control. Its budget is still confidential and so as it stands it would loose this if a truly democratic regime is built on the foundation of a transitional phase which the military will not be a part of according to their own communique (except for a council tasked with the defence of Egypts national security). The Egyptian military has stated time and time again that it will not seek power, so, the question is what was threatening the military under the phony Islamist regime?

 

[Solomon2]

What happened ? What turned the Egyptians against Morsi/ MB ?

Written by : Ali Ibrahim
on : Tuesday, 2 Jul, 2013

Opinion: A moment of change in Egypt

Over the last two weeks, ordinary people and political elites, whether inside or outside Egypt, have wondered where the country is heading. However, the answer to this question remains ambiguous. The ever–changing nature of events on the ground ensures that nobody knows for certain. This has been the case since January 25, 2011. Nobody, including influential international powers, expected protests would be that massive or that the former regime would fall that easily. Political events continued to turn expectations, analyses and political predictions upside down.

The Egyptian middle class who ignited the spark of January 25 revolution returned to the streets after exactly one year after the country’s first elected president came to office. It is no secret that during this year the Muslim Brotherhood suffered a severe drop in popularity. Even those who call themselves “lemon squeezers” abandoned the Brotherhood. “Lemon squeezers” is an Egyptian expression meaning those who elected the Brotherhood’s presidential candidate not out of their liking for the Islamist organization or the ideology of its candidate, but rather out of dislike of the other candidates.

The small difference in votes between the two candidates who competed in the run-offs is a sign of the current state of polarization and division of Egyptian society. Over the last year, little has been done, particularly by the ruling authority—which is said to be represented by the Brotherhood’s executive office (known as the Guidance office)—to create a climate of agreement and public approval that would facilitate the transitional period.

Recently, the growing tension reached its breaking point, represented by a state of deadlock between the two camps which are unable to find a middle ground. Each camp wants to prove that it is more popular and that its supporters are more willing to remain for a long time in public squares; both camps seek to attract Egyptians sitting on the sidelines who prefer to call themselves the “couch party.”

Among the issues that have recently become a source of worry for those Egyptians who prefer to keep away from demonstrations are the problems affecting the economy and public services and the attacks against the judiciary. This is not to mention the errors committed in handling the country’s foreign policy and the deteriorating security situation in the country. Due to Egypt’s topography, internal stability has always been vital for maintaining security.

Belittling the size of the opposition or being overconfident of the number of supporters is a fatal mistake on the part of rulers. This is something which has become obvious after seeing the massive crowds marching through Cairo and other provinces in Egypt, and the resignation of four ministers (at time of writing). This is not to mention the several governors who either resigned or could not enter their headquarters. Besides this, the constant conflict between the regime and the state institutions such as the judiciary led to the atmosphere of confrontation in the country.

The military have issued a 48 hour ultimatum (expiring tomorrow) for the presidency to respond to the public’s needs. In fact, much of the public who previously demanded that the military intervene, approved of the statement that the General Command of the Armed Forces issued. On the other hand, there are the Brotherhood and the other Islamist trends, some of which threatened to resort to force, a thing which we hope all sides will avoid.

Everyone, particularly the rulers, should wisely admit that the transitional period has drawn to a close and that it will yield nothing in the light of the state of polarization. Therefore, the country needs a new road map to address the mistakes committed, such as holding elections before drafting a constitution, and work to include all sides in the country’s political process.

Besides this, the new road map should avoid compromising the country’s national identity by focusing on issues that do not concern or appeal to the public such as setting up an Islamic Caliphate. It should be acknowledged that the state institutions form the backbone of the government that should not be meddled with or undermined because such a step would violate the very principle of the state.

It is obvious that the next 48 hours will decisively determine the course of events in Egypt which nobody can predict. However, it is certain that this is a moment of change in the political scene and all sides should act responsibly. This is a moment of change and nobody should belittle the size of the crowds or misinterpret the public approval of the military’s statement. Besides, the public interest requires that everybody should participate in forming the country’s political future.



Has anyone else notice that internet connections to Egypt have been iffy for the past six hours or so?

 

[somebozo]

The military will always be one of the greatest hurdles for the establishment and growth of democracy. It is irrelevant if the nations are Muslim or Middle Eastern, the dominance of the military and its role in destroying the nation it is sworn to protect is the overarching storyline through out world history. A government chosen by the people has no place for the ambitions of military men. It is then natural to expect an entity, that would only see its influence diminish under a real democracy, fight tooth and nail against any substantive change.

The Egyptian military exists as an extension of a bygone era. A present entity taking advantage of the respect its predecessors earned in bloody conflicts of the past. Egyptian problems are far more local in nature today. Domestic issues that require local law enforcement and wider infrastructural development, not soldiers in tanks. Were democracy to become entrenched within the Egyptian state, the military would find itself increasingly sidetracked by the needs of the people. Of course, as far as the military is concerned, how dare the needs of the Egyptian people take precedence over the military? There in lies the problem faced by most nations with a rich military tradition. When threatened, the military begins to take advantage of that reservoir of sympathy and respect and does so while reaching for its own goals, at the expense of the people.

For democracy to flourish, the military power has to be kept in check. Of course, a military which exists to protect its people will enjoy greater support than an elected leader who has to make hard decisions with limited resources. For that matter, if I stood on the sidelines and criticized Egyptian leadership, I would find my popularity increase too. The point is, it will take many years to fix the mess Egypt finds itself in and these problems will not disappear without pain and sacrifice. Concurrently the nation will need all that time to gain a grasp of what democracy means. A chance to learn what they want from their leaders and what qualifies one to be a leader. There will be bad leaders, terrible maybe, but the beauty of true democracy is that those leaders will never come into power again and stand as a vivid example of the type of figure the Egyptians will never elect again. For all this to happen, the military cannot be allowed to repeatedly take control by playing on the sympathy of the Egyptian people. A military dictator is forever, civilian incompetence is temporary. It is up to the Egyptians to decide what they prefer.

Simply, words made of pure gold..99.9999% 24 carot..