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MB is democratically elected and hence can not be ousted by such mobs. It won't be good for egypt. The real problem in the muslim world are seculars. They can't stand anything except for their slave mentality secular ideology. Turkey's case is the same. MB should now try to consolidate power and show some spine in leadership if it wants to save egypt from secular intolerant tyrants, tyrants that have ruined egypt throughout the 20th century. If they lack leadership skills to fend off against such obstacles then they don't deserve power no matter how much democratic it is.
You should try to live in the real world instead of allways living in your dreamworld.
First you should know what democracy means,those in power should not try to change the country in undemocratic ruling.
As you can see this is what happens if you try.
Btw,BYE BYE MORSI.
 
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Laser lights on the wall of a government building spell out a message for President Morsi at Tahrir Square on July 2. Khaled Desouki, AFP/Getty Images
 
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High count of protestors is ~ 30 million, average count is ~ 17 million and you are asking for philosophical debate???????? You're not serious.

Actually I am very serious. But that is okay, since there is no rush to decide. Let the current events play out as they will, and then such matters can be sorted out if anyone is so inclined, still.
 
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Well i don't have much idea about what this fuss is all about ... all i wish for is that an average Egyptian must get to live a dignified and equal life.
 
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Egyptians react to a television broadcast from the military at a coffee shop near Tahrir Square. Amr Nabil, A
 
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The military will always be one of the greatest hurdles for the establishment and growth of democracy. It is irrelevant if the nations are Muslim or Middle Eastern, the dominance of the military and its role in destroying the nation it is sworn to protect is the overarching storyline through out world history. A government chosen by the people has no place for the ambitions of military men. It is then natural to expect an entity, that would only see its influence diminish under a real democracy, fight tooth and nail against any substantive change.

The Egyptian military exists as an extension of a bygone era. A present entity taking advantage of the respect its predecessors earned in bloody conflicts of the past. Egyptian problems are far more local in nature today. Domestic issues that require local law enforcement and wider infrastructural development, not soldiers in tanks. Were democracy to become entrenched within the Egyptian state, the military would find itself increasingly sidetracked by the needs of the people. Of course, as far as the military is concerned, how dare the needs of the Egyptian people take precedence over the military? There in lies the problem faced by most nations with a rich military tradition. When threatened, the military begins to take advantage of that reservoir of sympathy and respect and does so while reaching for its own goals, at the expense of the people.

For democracy to flourish, the military power has to be kept in check. Of course, a military which exists to protect its people will enjoy greater support than an elected leader who has to make hard decisions with limited resources. For that matter, if I stood on the sidelines and criticized Egyptian leadership, I would find my popularity increase too. The point is, it will take many years to fix the mess Egypt finds itself in and these problems will not disappear without pain and sacrifice. Concurrently the nation will need all that time to gain a grasp of what democracy means. A chance to learn what they want from their leaders and what qualifies one to be a leader. There will be bad leaders, terrible maybe, but the beauty of true democracy is that those leaders will never come into power again and stand as a vivid example of the type of figure the Egyptians will never elect again. For all this to happen, the military cannot be allowed to repeatedly take control by playing on the sympathy of the Egyptian people. A military dictator is forever, civilian incompetence is temporary. It is up to the Egyptians to decide what they prefer.
@Pfpilot Sir, what makes me really sad is the fact that you could replace Egypt with Pakistan in your post above, and it would really hit home, very hard.
 
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The military will always be one of the greatest hurdles for the establishment and growth of democracy. It is irrelevant if the nations are Muslim or Middle Eastern, the dominance of the military and its role in destroying the nation it is sworn to protect is the overarching storyline through out world history. A government chosen by the people has no place for the ambitions of military men. It is then natural to expect an entity, that would only see its influence diminish under a real democracy, fight tooth and nail against any substantive change.

The Egyptian military exists as an extension of a bygone era. A present entity taking advantage of the respect its predecessors earned in bloody conflicts of the past. Egyptian problems are far more local in nature today. Domestic issues that require local law enforcement and wider infrastructural development, not soldiers in tanks. Were democracy to become entrenched within the Egyptian state, the military would find itself increasingly sidetracked by the needs of the people. Of course, as far as the military is concerned, how dare the needs of the Egyptian people take precedence over the military? There in lies the problem faced by most nations with a rich military tradition. When threatened, the military begins to take advantage of that reservoir of sympathy and respect and does so while reaching for its own goals, at the expense of the people.

For democracy to flourish, the military power has to be kept in check. Of course, a military which exists to protect its people will enjoy greater support than an elected leader who has to make hard decisions with limited resources. For that matter, if I stood on the sidelines and criticized Egyptian leadership, I would find my popularity increase too. The point is, it will take many years to fix the mess Egypt finds itself in and these problems will not disappear without pain and sacrifice. Concurrently the nation will need all that time to gain a grasp of what democracy means. A chance to learn what they want from their leaders and what qualifies one to be a leader. There will be bad leaders, terrible maybe, but the beauty of true democracy is that those leaders will never come into power again and stand as a vivid example of the type of figure the Egyptians will never elect again. For all this to happen, the military cannot be allowed to repeatedly take control by playing on the sympathy of the Egyptian people. A military dictator is forever, civilian incompetence is temporary. It is up to the Egyptians to decide what they prefer.

Correct so far but this phenomenon is far more common in Muslim countries. I wonder what signals it will send to Turkey?
 
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Sounds like America wants to install another puppet in Egypt for the next 40 years.
 
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Well i don't have much idea about what this fuss is all about ... all i wish for is that an average Egyptian must get to live a dignified and equal life.
Egyptians should seek long term solution through democracy, and not rejoice in these events (if opponents of morsi). He should have been allowed to finish his term.
 
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Protesters ransack and burn the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters in Cairo. Demonstrators stormed the headquarters of President Mohammed Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood group as thousands of protesters prepared for a second day of mass rallies aimed at forcing the Islamist leader from power. Khalil Hamra, A

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Protesters ransack the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters. Khalil Hamra, AP
 
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