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Editorial: Saudi “bailout” and our energy map

According to unconfirmed reports, Saudi Arabia has agreed to “defer” payment on half of Pakistan’s oil imports. The bill our friends in Riyadh have been requested to shelve is about $6 billion, which, if it happens, would cut by half our $12 billion cheque for yearly oil imports. There is, however, no indication how long the concession will last, but it is certain that it won’t be forever, and that Pakistan will have to pull up its socks to reduce its dependence on oil in sectors where other fuels like coal can be used.

The possible Saudi concession would be equal to our foreign remittance level yearly which is about $6 billion annually. In other words, as far as the budget makers are concerned, we could eventually have $12 billion to play around with. The trade gap stands at a record of over $20 billion and will have to be brought down to make the Saudi concession meaningful. At the same time, the relief coming from the concession will give the government some leeway in negotiating solutions in some industrial sectors now threatened with closure because of the disincentives placed on the import of their inputs.

When such a Saudi “deferment” was made available to us the last time round, we did not do much to solve our energy crisis. The concession lasted for three years and the money was finally written off. But we simply cannot expect to behave as we did in the past. In 1998, when the concession started following our economic slump in the wake of nuclear testing, we were not faced with the energy crunch. So we should have projected our demands into the future and paid attention to an alternative that was available. We knew we had the world’s fifth largest coal deposits in Sindh. And we knew that India, which produces only 30 percent of its oil supply domestically, just like us, was making 70 percent of its electricity out of coal. But we ignored the writing on the wall.

Those who think that Saudi Arabia will once again write off the oil dollars should take another look at the world oil situation. The prices are rising on a daily basis, and what was yesterday simply a comparatively modest gesture to a Pakistan under nuclear sanctions, would today amount to extravagance. Therefore Pakistan should move quickly to exploit its coal deposits so that the dependence on Saudi largesse doesn’t become highly irresponsible, if not politically suspect.

There are, of course, factors that might make us less vigilant and entangle us in red tape and corruption once again. The power situation could ease a bit because of the rains, which have improved the river-flows and filled up the dams and allowed them to produce more cheap electricity. Also, an improvement in the gas supply to power stations has resulted in an increase in power production by the Independent Power Producers (IPPs). Thus the national power deficit, which was a colossal 4,000MW, has come down to 2,300MW. Officially, we need 11,000MW but produce only 9,000. But the truth remains that we are short by more than just 3,000MW.

Gas is not a good fuel for making electricity. It is as expensive as oil and has other more important uses than just burning it in powerhouses and cars. We may not feel the financial bite of using our own gas at one-third the international price, but we are living beyond our means today. Tomorrow, when gas deposits are depleted, we will be shown how spendthrift we were when we had the gas. So when we think of alternative sources of energy, out of all of them — hydro, wind, sun — coal is the most practically and politically feasible.

The dams are filling up because of the rains in the catchment areas of the tributary rivers and high temperatures in the catchment area of the Indus River. Indeed, because of the 12-year cycle, the rains are predicted to be ample this year. Already, statements about how much good water is flowing uselessly down Kotri are trickling in. Therefore, in the coming days a wave of opinion on the need to build the Kalabagh Dam could well flood Pakistan and create more discord than consensus. It is true that electricity produced from dams is the cheapest — provided one is reductive about the ecological damage the dams inflict — but one has to do some realistic lateral thinking on the issue.

The project of Thar Coal has been lingering questionably during the Musharraf years. Now the Sindh chief minister, Mr Qaim Ali Shah, has the matter placed in his hands. If the PPP government doesn’t move swiftly, it will have to face blame. As for the thinking that the Saudi bailout has a price tag in the shape of allowing President Musharraf to carry on, let us remember that for some time now “wisdom” imposed on us from abroad has only served to sanitise our extremist thinking. In fact, the 2008 post-elections political landscape would not have materialised if Saudi wisdom had not intervened. *

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I understand there are certain requirements that were placed before the agreement for the bailout was made:

1. The Saudis requested that Musharraf be left alone and 2. That Saudi is going to utilize land in Pakistan for agriculture.
 
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I understand there are certain requirements that were placed before the agreement for the bailout was made:

1. The Saudis requested that Musharraf be left alone and 2. That Saudi is going to utilize land in Pakistan for agriculture.

and the saudis will continue to propogate their form of islam in the madrassas!
 
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I understand there are certain requirements that were placed before the agreement for the bailout was made:

1. The Saudis requested that Musharraf be left alone and 2. That Saudi is going to utilize land in Pakistan for agriculture.

Iam going to have to disagree on your statement for musharaf to be left alone i believe Saudis puppy in Pakistan is NAwaz and not mushy.but thats my 2 cents i could be wrong most extremist hate musharaf and love nawaz.

Thar is full of coal and sun shine we could generate enough power out of Thar with coal and sun that iam sure we will have more then what we need.
we currently import power from Iran that cost money if we were to have long term thinking which unfortunately we don't. we can turn a money losing sector into money making sector by mining for coal out of Thur it will create 1000,s of badly needed jobs in that area +cheap electricity win win situation.if some one to have brains they might consider the possibility of making some serious cash out of piece of land we barely use.
 
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and the saudis will continue to propogate their form of islam in the madrassas!
Fatman17, I'm glad you brought this up. Pakistan's perpetually inequitable position with Saudi and other patrons who are known to occasionally offer "bail outs" "aid" "tokens of friendship" etc has always ended up costing the nation a lot more than the value of said bail out. Granted when the situation is really bad its never easy to pass on a "great deal", especially from someone like Saudi, who other than being a long time patron also has strong associations with Sunni Islam. Nonetheless, each offer has to be examined with a critical eye taking the potential non monetary costs into account. At the end of the day all measures have to be taken to work towards putting Pakistan on a more equitable footing when trading with other nations so as to keep monetary exchanges separate from strategic or social issues which in the past have been bartered with disastrous consequences.
 
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Investment in alternative energy sources would be a good thing however these are not mature technologies.

Whenever I visit Pakistan there is alot of rubbish and sewage in the streets (I'm basing that on Peshawar) so why not focus on biogas schemes.

China did in the 1970s so they could assist with any schemes Pakistan might set up
 
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Investment in alternative energy sources would be a good thing however these are not mature technologies.

Whenever I visit Pakistan there is alot of rubbish and sewage in the streets (I'm basing that on Peshawar) so why not focus on biogas schemes.

China did in the 1970s so they could assist with any schemes Pakistan might set up

In April of this year, Japan’s National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology (AIST) completed construction of its largest solar power facility to date. Located in Tsukuba City (northeast of Tokyo) this facility will produce one million kilowatt hours of clean energy per year, enough to supply approximately 300 households. The facility is expected to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by approximately 300 tons per year and will provide power to the AIST.

This is just one example California(USA) and Ontario Canada are moving in this direction with lightning speeds.for Pakistan the advantage is we have enough land in Thar to make 10 or 20 plants like the one above mention plus its always sunny in Thar.



The area near Grevenbroich, Germany's self-proclaimed ``capital of energy,'' boasts 27 lignite-fired boilers at three generating stations. The plants and mines that feed them bring jobs and corporate sponsorship. They're also responsible for the largest concentration of carbon dioxide emissions in Europe, thrusting the town to the forefront of the climate-change debate.

``This town isn't a spa and it's not going to become one,'' Pruemm, 50, says in his office, where a wall map shows the region's electricity generators and coal mines. ``Power needs to be produced somewhere.''

Most of Grevenbroich's 64,500 residents are proud of the power stations, Pruemm says. With a ready source of fuel and a new generation of cleaner plants on the way, the town sees itself as a model for future energy production and a viable alternative to nuclear power.

``Without these power plants, Grevenbroich would be the middle of nowhere,'' says Hans Lawrenz, 53, manager of the Hotel Alte Backstube. ``Lots of people work at the plants, and plenty of other jobs are tied to what they're doing there.''


I hope this helps you to understand some things
 
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A good find Cheetah, the Japanese are world leaders in solar technologies so I wouldn't expect anything less. A good exaqmple of why Pakistan should focus on such technologies but its not cheap!!!

The problem with coal from Thar is that it is full of impurities.

However, again Pakistan could consider assistance from China who have set up clean coal power plants which filter out impurities first.
 
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A good find Cheetah, the Japanese are world leaders in solar technologies so I wouldn't expect anything less. A good exaqmple of why Pakistan should focus on such technologies but its not cheap!!!

The problem with coal from Thar is that it is full of impurities.

However, again Pakistan could consider assistance from China who have set up clean coal power plants which filter out impurities first.

No technology in the start of its life is cheap but if you were to get on the band wagon from the get go not only it will benefit you but it will provide employment in the long run and thats called long term planing which we lack.

I bet ya few years from now Pakistan will try to buy this and pay a pretty price for it they will not negotiate a manufacturing facility for it in Pakistan as they will ask japan to sell it to us because japan donates money to Pakistan they will make millions +keep the jobs at home.so in the long run we will need more bail outs as jobs will stay out of Pakistan.:hitwall:
 
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Fatman as you are in Sindh have you any idea of the progress with the Gharo wind farm?
 
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Fatman as you are in Sindh have you any idea of the progress with the Gharo wind farm?

Sorry to butt in....but I have some idea of these windfarm projects. most of the ones in Sindh are being done with the help of a company by the name of Wind Rose Consultancy owned by Mr Arshad Junejo of the Alternative Energy Development Board. they are, to my knowledge, the only local consultancy in Pakistan that is certified to verify wind data, install/calibrate equipment, and their results and reports are accepted internationally.

Not a single wind farm is actually up since they need to install measuring equipment to gather wind data for at least 12 months before being able to claim that their location has sufficient wind...thereby enabling them to get financing.

There are two major problems with wind farms in Pakistan. First, land is the most crooked business in this country other than heroin. Getting land, or buying it is next to impossible in these areas since every patwari, tapedar, and DOC is an SOB and is out to loot anyone who comes from a city. Many properties that are perfect for wind farms are also "Na Class" which means that you cannot actually buy them and they remain in a state of limbo. This is the case because they are on the Sindh coastal areas and those areas are all disputed by every government agency, i.e. Port Qasim, Board of Revenue, etc Then of course you have the Kabza group. All in all.....land is the worst element of setting up a wind farm in Sindh.


then you have the issue of profit. They have a dumb model which says that the group that puts up the wind farm is only entitled to a 15% Return on Equity. They do not base it exactly on a tarrif rate. This means that you are better off putting your money in a savings account at 13.9% rather than go through all that trouble and take all that risk for 15%. The only charm is that they give it to you in Dollars.....I'd rather put my money in Dubai. The whole plan is idiotic and the government is totally useless.
 
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Sorry to butt in....but I have some idea of these windfarm projects. most of the ones in Sindh are being done with the help of a company by the name of Wind Rose Consultancy owned by Mr Arshad Junejo of the Alternative Energy Development Board. they are, to my knowledge, the only local consultancy in Pakistan that is certified to verify wind data, install/calibrate equipment, and their results and reports are accepted internationally.

Not a single wind farm is actually up since they need to install measuring equipment to gather wind data for at least 12 months before being able to claim that their location has sufficient wind...thereby enabling them to get financing.

There are two major problems with wind farms in Pakistan. First, land is the most crooked business in this country other than heroin. Getting land, or buying it is next to impossible in these areas since every patwari, tapedar, and DOC is an SOB and is out to loot anyone who comes from a city. Many properties that are perfect for wind farms are also "Na Class" which means that you cannot actually buy them and they remain in a state of limbo. This is the case because they are on the Sindh coastal areas and those areas are all disputed by every government agency, i.e. Port Qasim, Board of Revenue, etc Then of course you have the Kabza group. All in all.....land is the worst element of setting up a wind farm in Sindh.


then you have the issue of profit. They have a dumb model which says that the group that puts up the wind farm is only entitled to a 15% Return on Equity. They do not base it exactly on a tarrif rate. This means that you are better off putting your money in a savings account at 13.9% rather than go through all that trouble and take all that risk for 15%. The only charm is that they give it to you in Dollars.....I'd rather put my money in Dubai. The whole plan is idiotic and the government is totally useless.

What then do you think should be done? It is obvious that we need energy and soon. It needs to be cheap energy and needs to be a provider of jobs to the local populace. What prospects are there and how do you see them progressing?
thanks in advance
Araz
 
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What then do you think should be done? It is obvious that we need energy and soon. It needs to be cheap energy and needs to be a provider of jobs to the local populace. What prospects are there and how do you see them progressing?
thanks in advance
Araz

windfarm projects. most of the ones in Sindh are being done with the help of a company by the name of Wind Rose Consultancy owned by Mr Arshad Junejo of the Alternative Energy Development Board.

The problem is right there they guy owns the company is also a Member of the energy board.In simple terms this right there is conflict of interest.

Not a single wind farm is actually up since they need to install measuring equipment to gather wind data for at least 12 months before being able to claim that their location has sufficient wind...thereby enabling them to get financing.

Not a single farm is up cause the contract is already been provided
(obviously no tenders were issued)to a company thats clueless .this clearly shows there is absolutely no research done by this company and no need to cause its a MONOPOLY so no independent companies will come into play as they have no chance ever getting piece of this pie means O competition.competition creates jobs and healthy markets for the consumer to chose from.

Simplest idea to stay in business.
You lead
You follow
Or you get out of the way.

Monoply means you will buy what i have you will pay what i want and quality control whats that ?so there goes the idea of cheap energy in this case.
 
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Fatman17, I'm glad you brought this up. Pakistan's perpetually inequitable position with Saudi and other patrons who are known to occasionally offer "bail outs" "aid" "tokens of friendship" etc has always ended up costing the nation a lot more than the value of said bail out. Granted when the situation is really bad its never easy to pass on a "great deal", especially from someone like Saudi, who other than being a long time patron also has strong associations with Sunni Islam. Nonetheless, each offer has to be examined with a critical eye taking the potential non monetary costs into account. At the end of the day all measures have to be taken to work towards putting Pakistan on a more equitable footing when trading with other nations so as to keep monetary exchanges separate from strategic or social issues which in the past have been bartered with disastrous consequences.

coudnt agree more! the problem with us as a nation is we react only when things get desperate and there is no room to manouver. i am reading the CROSSED SWORDS, a book on the army and its wars within, and it is incredible the things that were going on (vassilating,bickering and personal vendettas) in the 50s and 60s are no different from today.
 
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Fatman as you are in Sindh have you any idea of the progress with the Gharo wind farm?

JK u have stumped me - i will have to get back to u on this one.!
 
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