Editorial : BRICS Decleration

[third eye]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1355909/brics-declaration

The message is uniform from friend and foe alike: Pakistan’s tolerance for externally oriented militant groups is no longer acceptable and a serious national effort needs to be made if the country is to remain on the right side of international opinion.

The significance of the BRICS declaration that included a condemnation of violence in Afghanistan and a specific mention of the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad should not be underestimated.

The presence of India in the five-nation bloc clearly influenced the language of the declaration in implicitly pointing towards Pakistan, but China, Russia, Brazil and South Africa will only have added their voices to the growing chorus of concern because of genuine considerations of their own.

Pakistan must not make the mistake of dismissing the signal from the world’s leading emerging economies. It does not appear to be an aberration and cannot simply be ascribed to overwrought allegations and concerns of India, Afghanistan and the US.

In truth, while Pakistan has made significant strides in the domestic fight against militancy, there is a contradiction at the heart of the country’s efforts to fight militancy, terrorism and extremism: an unwillingness to acknowledge that past policies, and an ongoing selective approach to fighting militancy, have contributed to the problem.

Without an honest reckoning with the past, the reorientation of the state from one that supported jihad under the umbrella of the Cold War to one that recognises the great cost that it inflicted on Pakistan’s economy, society and standing in the global community cannot be complete. And without recognising that Pakistan’s record in fighting militancy, terrorism and extremism at home has been patchy and inadequate, greater success is likely to prove elusive.

The bewildering aspect of the state’s anti-militancy strategy is that it continues to pursue perfunctory measures such as banning militant groups without any real determination to shut down the operations of those groups in various guises. The only real attempt at drawing up a comprehensive anti-militancy strategy is the flawed National Action Plan, which has been implemented poorly and without uniformity.

Certainly, some outside allegations by India, Afghanistan and the US either seek to place excessive blame on Pakistan or are meant to try and dissuade the latter from pursuing its legitimate security interests. It is also the case that the important gains Pakistan has made in its fight against militancy often go unacknowledged and unappreciated.

But on this there must be clarity: Pakistan’s fight against militancy is its own fight for its own long-term peace and prosperity. Too often external criticism has been used by the state to deflect and deny legitimate critiques of its anti-militancy policy.

The BRICS declaration suggests an international trend that Pakistan cannot afford to ignore. The domestic fight against militancy must be made smarter, harder and more purposeful.

Published in Dawn, September 6th, 2017

 

[niaz]

This is indeed a very serious matter. We must not forget that 3 members of the BRIC club that is Brazil, China & Russia are considered friendly nations. Pakistan’s romance with the US is already over, can we afford to dismiss the declaration simply as Indian inspired when China is also party to it?

 

[third eye]

This is indeed a very serious matter. We must not forget that 3 members of the BRIC club that is Brazil, China & Russia are considered friendly nations. Pakistan’s romance with the US is already over, can we afford to dismiss the declaration simply as Indian inspired when China is also party to it?

In my opinion .. No

But the flags I fly would automatically put me on the wrong side in a discussion here.

The first thing taught in tactics is not to reinforce a failed attack ( or a failure as its often called) . Why then does Pak persist with the same approach . Its been the same since even before Zia's time. The results have also been the same.

 

[CriticalThought]

No, what we need to consider, is how come India is not viewed a net exporter of terrorism because of its hand behind TTP and BLA. Since TTP is on the list, we need to double time in proving to the world that it is an Indian creation.

In my opinion .. No

But the flags I fly would automatically put me on the wrong side in a discussion here.

The first thing taught in tactics is not to reinforce a failed attack ( or a failure as its often called) . Why then does Pak persist with the same approach . Its been the same since even before Zia's time. The results have also been the same.

How about you mind your own business and stop giving us lessons in tactics? Terrorism is your problem, deal with it.

 

[third eye]

How about you mind your own business and stop giving us lessons in tactics? Terrorism is your problem, deal with it

How about you speaking when spoken to ?

 

[CriticalThought]

How about you speaking when spoken to ?

How about you learning the meaning 'growing too big for your boots'?

 

[Thetigerforces]

No, what we need to consider, is how come India is not viewed a net exporter of terrorism because of its hand behind TTP and BLA. Since TTP is on the list, we need to double time in proving to the world that it is an Indian creation.



How about you mind your own business and stop giving us lessons in tactics? Terrorism is your problem, deal with it.

Maybe you should provide the international community some solid evidence that Indian funding and supporting of TTP and BLA exists.

 

[AZ1]

Maybe you should provide the international community some solid evidence that Indian funding and supporting of TTP and BLA exists.

Irrelevant, they don't want to see because you are cow for them unless you dry they will not see anything against India.

 

[soundHound]

No, what we need to consider, is how come India is not viewed a net exporter of terrorism because of its hand behind TTP and BLA. Since TTP is on the list, we need to double time in proving to the world that it is an Indian creation.

How about one of those Kulbhusan video fiasco? pro tip, next time hire a better actor to do the job, even any tom dik uploader in YouTube has better editing skills then ur media mouthpiece.

 

[IceCold]

Published in Dawn, September 6th, 2017

The famous newspaper for leaking classified information. Nuff said

 

[Thetigerforces]

Irrelevant, they don't want to see because you are cow for them unless you dry they will not see anything against India.

First learn to speak proper english then try and talk to me.

 

[CriticalThought]

Maybe you should provide the international community some solid evidence that Indian funding and supporting of TTP and BLA exists.

How about one of those Kulbhusan video fiasco? pro tip, next time hire a better actor to do the job, even any tom dik uploader in YouTube has better editing skills then ur media mouthpiece.

Yes, I agree with you. We need to do a much better job of forwarding the argument.

 

[Chhatrapati]

No, what we need to consider, is how come India is not viewed a net exporter of terrorism because of its hand behind TTP and BLA. Since TTP is on the list, we need to double time in proving to the world that it is an Indian creation.

TTP ----- India funds them? Come on man, it's too hard for anyone to believe we even go to Waziristan especially FATA to help them fight Pakistan.
This is what I read about TTP

The military offensive had been part of the overall war against al-Qaeda. ... Since the start of the operation, the [Pakistani] military authorities have firmly established that a large number of Uzbek, Chechen and Arab militants were in the area. ... It was in July 2002 that Pakistani troops, for the first time in 55 years, entered the Tirah Valley in Khyber tribal agency. Soon they were in Shawal valley of North Waziristan, and later in South Waziristan. ... This was made possible after long negotiations with various tribes, who reluctantly agreed to allow the military's presence on the assurance that it would bring in funds and development work. But once the military action started in South Waziristan a number of Waziri sub-tribes took it as an attempt to subjugate them. Attempts to persuade them into handing over the foreign militants failed, and with an apparently mishandling by the authorities, the security campaign against suspected al-Qaeda militants turned into an undeclared war between the Pakistani military and the rebel tribesmen


In 2004 various tribal groups, as explained above, that would later form the TTP, effectively established their authority in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) by concurrently engaging in military attacks and negotiating with Islamabad. By this time, the militants had killed around 200 rival tribal elders in the region to consolidate control. Several Pakistani analysts also cite the inception of U.S. missile strikes in the FATA as a catalyzing factor in the rise of tribal militancy in the area. More specifically they single out an October 2006 strike on a madrassah in Bajaur that was run by the Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi as a turning point.
Speaking of BLA, it's what you guys like to believe, there are no conclusive evidence to suggest BLA has any connection with India.

This is how that began
On 10 February 1973, Pakistani police and paramilitary raided the Iraqi embassy in Islamabad without prior permission of the Iraqi government, during which a large cache of small arms, ammunition, grenades and other supplies were found in crates marked 'Foreign Ministry, Baghdad'. The ammunition and weaponry was believed to be destined for Baloch rebels. Pakistan responded by expelling and declaring persona non grata the Iraqi Ambassador Hikmat Sulaiman and other consular staff.

In a Wikileaks cable it was revealed that ISI believed, “India and the UAE (reportedly due to opposition to construction of the Gwadar port) were funding and arming the Baloch. Pasha also claimed that the Russian government was directly involved in funding/training/supporting the insurgency"

 

[hembo]

The famous newspaper for leaking classified information. Nuff said

Another One.. From "The Nation"....

BRICS Declaration
September 06, 2017

On Monday, leaders of the emerging BRICS market - Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa – released a 43 page declaration after the summit concluded in the Chinese city of Xiamen.
While the usual pledges to improve cooperation; push for a more representative UN Security Council; fight against protectionist trade policies; and combat terrorism were present, what stands out the most – from Pakistan’s perspective – is that for the first time the group has named militant groups allegedly based in Pakistan as a regional security concern and called for their patrons to be held to account.



Considering that the summit contains China, was held in China, and was stage-managed by the Chinese president, this is crucially the first time Pakistan’s “all weather friend” has explicitly called out militant groups in the country – and tacitly Pakistan as well.

While our Foreign Office will – and already has – pointed out that the statement named the “Taliban, ISIS...
Al Qaeda and its affiliates, including Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-i-Taiba, Jaish-i-Mohammad, TTP and Hizbut Tahrir” collectively among others, it cannot deny that this declaration has played right into India’s narrative war against Pakistan.

This war, to portray Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism – and hence delegitimize the Kashmiri struggle for freedom – has been going on in full force since Narendra Modi took the office of Prime Minister of India.
It has now received a significant boost.

Especially since China has pointedly refused to associate Pakistan with militant outfits in the past.
It has previously blocked India’s moves to sanction Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Muhammad at the United Nations. It was China’s firm support that had emboldened Pakistan to take a firm stance after US President Donald Trump’s scathing Afghanistan speech.
Now – this statement.

While material support on the ground will probably not change, nor will the defence and economic agreements, but this change of public stance must surely concern Pakistan.
Perhaps it is time to realise the China’s friendship is not really “higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the ocean” – it’s only prudent.

Geo-political reasons will ensure that Pakistan and China maintain a strong and stable relationship, but China’s wider concerns – especially when it comes to trade – will force them to make some diplomatic concessions to other international players.
Even with the realisation that it just might be that – a diplomatic concession – Pakistan should realise that all weather friendship will ultimately come with some conditions.

 

[IceCold]

Another One.. From "The Nation"....

BRICS Declaration
September 06, 2017

On Monday, leaders of the emerging BRICS market - Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa – released a 43 page declaration after the summit concluded in the Chinese city of Xiamen.
While the usual pledges to improve cooperation; push for a more representative UN Security Council; fight against protectionist trade policies; and combat terrorism were present, what stands out the most – from Pakistan’s perspective – is that for the first time the group has named militant groups allegedly based in Pakistan as a regional security concern and called for their patrons to be held to account.



Considering that the summit contains China, was held in China, and was stage-managed by the Chinese president, this is crucially the first time Pakistan’s “all weather friend” has explicitly called out militant groups in the country – and tacitly Pakistan as well.

While our Foreign Office will – and already has – pointed out that the statement named the “Taliban, ISIS...
Al Qaeda and its affiliates, including Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-i-Taiba, Jaish-i-Mohammad, TTP and Hizbut Tahrir” collectively among others, it cannot deny that this declaration has played right into India’s narrative war against Pakistan.

This war, to portray Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism – and hence delegitimize the Kashmiri struggle for freedom – has been going on in full force since Narendra Modi took the office of Prime Minister of India.
It has now received a significant boost.

Especially since China has pointedly refused to associate Pakistan with militant outfits in the past.
It has previously blocked India’s moves to sanction Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Muhammad at the United Nations. It was China’s firm support that had emboldened Pakistan to take a firm stance after US President Donald Trump’s scathing Afghanistan speech.
Now – this statement.

While material support on the ground will probably not change, nor will the defence and economic agreements, but this change of public stance must surely concern Pakistan.
Perhaps it is time to realise the China’s friendship is not really “higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the ocean” – it’s only prudent.

Geo-political reasons will ensure that Pakistan and China maintain a strong and stable relationship, but China’s wider concerns – especially when it comes to trade – will force them to make some diplomatic concessions to other international players.
Even with the realisation that it just might be that – a diplomatic concession – Pakistan should realise that all weather friendship will ultimately come with some conditions.

I wasnt looking for the source otherwise i would have said so. The point i made is beyond your comprehension capability as evident. So dont bother again replying.