Edged-out Eurofighter still hopes to bag IAF fighter deal

[Kazhugu]

instead of passing wise *** comments i would like you to explain the queries raised so that some new things can be learnt..

Firstly, we must consider development costs, this was a joint venture and development costs were split and payed for by China and Pakistan.

in that case the indian fifth generation stealth fighter's third prototype is flying somewhere near amur..

Pakistan played a major role in designing the airframe of the JF-17 too, PAC engineers had been working on the project since the very beginning, there is no doubt that there is Pakistani contribution to the development of the airframe, or at the very least some sort of contribution and heavy influence.

what pakistan gave was their requirement and the modification that needs to be done on the chinese fighter to make it the JF17.....btw i would like some sort of link to your claim...

The software of the JF-17 was developed in Pakistan (C++).

software for the mission computer ?

Much of the avionics were jointly developed with the Chinese... EFIS, the MFDs and the HUD being some of them.IFF systems were co-produced by PAC and the Chinese, as was the RWR on the JF-17, GAHRS, LWS, AVTR and even the KLJ-7 had some Pakistani contribution. The DTU was made by PAC, RF reversing unit, IFF conversation box, DVR and ACB were all made by PAC.

the correct wording would be much of the avionics was developed by the chinese and pac too supplied some parts...btw wasnt the avionics suite found not satisfactory and eyes were cast towards the french for their avionics suite ?

In terms of weaponry, Pakistan has made the Ra'ad ALCM, H-2/H-4.

tell me when it is integrated and test fired...afaik the last test of raad was on april 2011 and it was fired from mirage...

 

[GORKHALI]

Developoreo's question is valid .

Answer is that Developoreo is right . The Libya operation does not tell how capable Rafale actually is because there was no worthy opposition to it . When the Rafale has to battle Pakistani and Chinese fighters , the situation will be very different .

Hence I believe that the plane was chosen on technical evaluation only done by the IAF and not much on the basis of its performance in Libya .

The whole Libya factor has been exaggerated .

If this is the factor then Su 30mki or whole Chinese inventory useless crap with no combat experience . Atleast it's safe to say Rafale used its long range A2G weapons to the fullest to take out whatever Air defence they had like SAM 3 batteries etc...

 

[GORKHALI]

 

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[Jungibaaz]

instead of passing wise *** comments i would like you to explain the queries raised so that some new things can be learnt..

Perhaps you should never have commented on a topic that you no nothing about.
This post of yours I've read through, seems like it's not much more than a face saving attempt.

in that case the indian fifth generation stealth fighter's third prototype is flying somewhere near amur..

Is funding not part of an aircraft's development? Grow up mate, face the facts.

what pakistan gave was their requirement and the modification that needs to be done on the chinese fighter to make it the JF17.....btw i would like some sort of link to your claim...

I just told you what we made ourselves and what we contributed to.
Tell me lad, are you ignorant, or just stupid?

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex
PAC website^

Check the column on the left, plenty of systems both made by PAC and co-produced.

software for the mission computer ?

Yes the software for the mission computer is written in C++.

the correct wording would be much of the avionics was developed by the chinese and pac too supplied some parts

Thanks for correcting me.

..btw wasnt the avionics suite found not satisfactory and eyes were cast towards the french for their avionics suite ?

Yes before Pt-04 avionics suite was good enough for the FC-1 and it's possible export customers but not for the JF-17 of PAF, so we went to the french, they refused to provide us with the best avionics, so we had to wait for the Chinese to develop their own, what we found is that the Chinese avionics package that the JF-17 now has far exceeds what the French offered us.

tell me when it is integrated and test fired...afaik the last test of raad was on april 2011 and it was fired from mirage...

Not yet test fired on the JF-17 sure, but JF-17 will be it's main platform, it's only a matter of time.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

on the contrary everyone is talking about it....it is official that rafale will take over the mantle of the nuclear strike aircraft of iaf from mirage....and once nirbhay enters service it will be joined in that by the mki...

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exactly...the libyan air campaign had the eft and the rafale perform two complementary roles...eft for the (non existant) air superiority and rafale for the very real ground strike...

and the rafale passed the test with flying colors...the entire libyan campaign was explained to the iaf and they were impressed with its strike capabilities...

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no infact it is not exxagerated...

the mission profile of the rafale in libya was ground strike and it performed admirably well against qadaffi's numerous armored colums, fuel and ammo depots etc....

So are you saying that before the Libyan operation countries were even in doubt about rafale's capability to hit its target ?

 

[IND151]

During the Kargil skirmish, the IAF modified the Mirage 2000's with the help of Israelis to carry out high altitude precision strikes. The French looked the other way even though it probably was a violation of the contract.

my sources tell that it was a pune based firm which modified Mirages

 

[GURU DUTT]

Thanks Freind ,
Its probabally the best thread ever on MMRCA on this forum Thanks Again , anyway personally i like Typhoon deu to its better radar & service cealing + better engines , but as a top airforce official (wont ever disclose his name&rank) told that airforce is going for Rafale & in the later stages it will have GE 414 engine + some isrealy stuff with a few american wepons ,though i personally found it hillarius but the guy seemed to be pretty confident.....ps dont want to derail this thread but will certainly like comments from senior guys , Thanks .
Original Post By GURU DUTT
on 11-03-2011/#24/layman's annalyses of MMRCA/India Defence


dekha bhai log my source was write , now about GE414& isrealy tech +Amarican wepon's too early to say,..Thanks

 

[nomi007]

rafael is good but most world powers are now shifting to 5th generation
so rafael life spin is 40 years
its mean more delay future projects
that is not my opinion its Indians critics opinion
What does the Rafale deal mean for the Indian Air Force?

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[Yeti]

Rafale can be upgraded and made better there is alot of things we can do in future to it from lowering the RCS to adding even thrust vector engines as well as improving the SPECTRA system.


PAK-FA will be our 5th gen fighter with the support of the Sukhoi's and Rafales and later God willing will be joined by our own AMCA.