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Some experts have questioned the narrative that Chinawill "inevitably" overtake the U.S. as the top economicpower in the world.

China has set its sights on overtaking the U.S. through the symbolic gesture of its GDP surpassing that of the U.S., with 2020 providing a humbling opportunity as the U.S. economy shrank due to lockdowns and issues emerging out of the pandemic. The drop represented a relative gain of $1 trillion, putting China’s economy at $6.2 trillion behind the U.S.

Most economists believe that this will see China overtake the U.S. by the early 2030s, especially with seemingly faster rebound from the pandemic hit to the global economy.


But some economists argue that the signs are not as robust for China as the CCP would like the world to believe, leading some to believe that China might not overtake the U.S. in the near future, if at all – barring a total collapse or other disaster for the U.S. economy.

The U.S. GDP fell 2.3% while China’s grew by the same percentage during the pandemic, but China’s per-capita GDP is still far below that of the U.S. by about 20%, according to calculations by Bloomberg economists.


Stanford historian Niall Ferguson sketches a picture that points to the limits of the CCP’s extreme control over nearly every sector of the economy: Initially, that control allowed the party to significantly strengthen the economy and help it recover from sizable disasters that may have spelled certain doom for other countries – such as preventing the possible disaster of Evergrande scrapping a Shanghai listing for an electric vehicle subsidiary from turning into a "Lehman moment."

But that same control may very well prevent the economy from developing the kind of innovation that could help propel China over the top. How much of a toll is up for debate.

London-based consultancy firm Capital Economics (CE) also argues that China’s workforce has declined and will continue to do so by more than 0.5% by 2030, Newsweek reports.

"The most likely scenario is that slowing productivity growth and a shrinking workforce prevent China ever passing the U.S.," the analysis said. CE also noted that inflation and the exchange rate will play a significant factor in deciding how the economic standoff plays out.


China has also rejected efforts to open the economy, which has caused the economic growth to slow – even if only a little – over the past decade.

The most speculative argument points to the middle-income trap as the pitfall that will prevent China from achieving its ambition, according to George Manus, an associate at Oxford University’s China Centre and a senior economic advisor to UBS Investment Banking.

In an op-ed published by The Guardian, Magnus argues that the middle-income trap is "normally characterized by difficult economic adjustment and often by unpredictable political consequences."


A 30-year sprint to the top since 1990, China’s GDP has doubled while America’s halved, but that growth spurt has ended. Forecasts for when China may overtake the U.S. continue to slide back, presenting a similar situation to 1930s Germany and the later decades of the Soviet Union.

How China reacts over the next ten years will determine whether it falls the same way those other challengers did, or if it will succeed where they failed.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/economists-question-china-overtake-us-global-economy.amp
 
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Meanwhile, this year, China's nominal GDP will reach 17.7 trillion dollar, from 14.2 trillion dollar last year. Whilst, in most industrial output measure, China is already about 10X of that of the US. And China's RMB is the best performing currency this year.

But who cares, US still control their well-liked self-comforting media, so everything is fine

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Meanwhile, this year, China's nominal GDP will reach 17.7 trillion dollar, from 14.2 trillion dollar last year. Whilst, in most industrial output measure, China is already about 10X of that of the US. And China's RMB is the best performing currency this year.

But who cares, US still control their well-liked self-comforting media, so everything is fine

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Damn Pak was in Red?
Covid didn't hit us as hard though, things were normal for the most part
 
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Meanwhile, this year, China's nominal GDP will reach 17.7 trillion dollar, from 14.2 trillion dollar last year. Whilst, in most industrial output measure, China is already about 10X of that of the US. And China's RMB is the best performing currency this year.

But who cares, US still control their well-liked self-comforting media, so everything is fine

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Damn. In reality the list turned out upside down, the exact opposite from Europe to India to Pakistan to America to Africa.
 
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Reminds me of those economists that predicted China won't surpass Japan until 2030 in the 1990's.
 
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China managed to close the gap last year due to Covid, but has made little progress otherwise in catching up since the early 2010s.
 
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Some experts have questioned the narrative that Chinawill "inevitably" overtake the U.S. as the top economicpower in the world.

China has set its sights on overtaking the U.S. through the symbolic gesture of its GDP surpassing that of the U.S., with 2020 providing a humbling opportunity as the U.S. economy shrank due to lockdowns and issues emerging out of the pandemic. The drop represented a relative gain of $1 trillion, putting China’s economy at $6.2 trillion behind the U.S.

Most economists believe that this will see China overtake the U.S. by the early 2030s, especially with seemingly faster rebound from the pandemic hit to the global economy.


But some economists argue that the signs are not as robust for China as the CCP would like the world to believe, leading some to believe that China might not overtake the U.S. in the near future, if at all – barring a total collapse or other disaster for the U.S. economy.

The U.S. GDP fell 2.3% while China’s grew by the same percentage during the pandemic, but China’s per-capita GDP is still far below that of the U.S. by about 20%, according to calculations by Bloomberg economists.


Stanford historian Niall Ferguson sketches a picture that points to the limits of the CCP’s extreme control over nearly every sector of the economy: Initially, that control allowed the party to significantly strengthen the economy and help it recover from sizable disasters that may have spelled certain doom for other countries – such as preventing the possible disaster of Evergrande scrapping a Shanghai listing for an electric vehicle subsidiary from turning into a "Lehman moment."

But that same control may very well prevent the economy from developing the kind of innovation that could help propel China over the top. How much of a toll is up for debate.

London-based consultancy firm Capital Economics (CE) also argues that China’s workforce has declined and will continue to do so by more than 0.5% by 2030, Newsweek reports.

"The most likely scenario is that slowing productivity growth and a shrinking workforce prevent China ever passing the U.S.," the analysis said. CE also noted that inflation and the exchange rate will play a significant factor in deciding how the economic standoff plays out.


China has also rejected efforts to open the economy, which has caused the economic growth to slow – even if only a little – over the past decade.

The most speculative argument points to the middle-income trap as the pitfall that will prevent China from achieving its ambition, according to George Manus, an associate at Oxford University’s China Centre and a senior economic advisor to UBS Investment Banking.

In an op-ed published by The Guardian, Magnus argues that the middle-income trap is "normally characterized by difficult economic adjustment and often by unpredictable political consequences."


A 30-year sprint to the top since 1990, China’s GDP has doubled while America’s halved, but that growth spurt has ended. Forecasts for when China may overtake the U.S. continue to slide back, presenting a similar situation to 1930s Germany and the later decades of the Soviet Union.

How China reacts over the next ten years will determine whether it falls the same way those other challengers did, or if it will succeed where they failed.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/economists-question-china-overtake-us-global-economy.amp

Of course if you keep printing Trillions of dollar from your behind on Toilet paper and increase your GDP then yes how can anyone surpass the US? :lol: :lol:
 
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The idea that China won’t surpass the US in nominal GDP has been thoroughly debunked. I’ve explained it in previous threads. I’m not wasting my time explaining it once again.

Just to remind everyone, China is already quite comfortably the largest economy in PPP. Largest manufacturing nation. Largest trading nation. Very very close to being the largest retail market this year. Largest e-commerce market. China is number 1 in numerous other categories. China is also number 2 in many categories that is very close to becoming number 1 in 1-2 years time.
 
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China managed to close the gap last year due to Covid, but has made little progress otherwise in catching up since the early 2010s.
I'm in the camp that believes the CCP overstates its GDP by 25-30%, mostly as a result of a top-down system that rewards lower government officials for meeting annual budgets and GDP targets by suspiciously close margins.

Watch what's happening with the Chinese real estate market, its on a downward trend over the last three months that will almost certainly precipitate a burst of the bubble and a long recession given that 30% of Chinas GDP is directly or indriectly generated by the real estate sector.
 
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I'm in the camp that believes the CCP overstates its GDP by 25-30%, mostly as a result of a top-down system that rewards lower government officials for meeting annual budgets and GDP targets by suspiciously close margins.

Watch what's happening with the Chinese real estate market, its on a downward trend over the last three months that will almost certainly precipitate a burst of the bubble and a long recession given that 30% of Chinas GDP is directly or indriectly generated by the real estate sector.

China overstate their GDP, yet they consume every category of goods way more than the US, be it cars, computers, phones, and properties.

And their industry and materilized output is 10x of that of the US, you can now understand that the US overstate their GDP by 1000% or more, by the same measure.
 
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