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Duterte: US Spec-Ops must leave Mindanao

The chinese r working overtime to give duerte all sort of moral support now. At the end of the day the phil needs to remember that the u.s did kill a lot of phil in the past, but the u.s does not grab any of the phil territory at the moment. The chinese otoh r trying to grab phil territory left n right at the moment.

Does the phil want to be friend with china so they will grab more of your territory or u want to be an ally of the world strongest military who has the capability but does not grab your land? The phil u don't want to be stupid like the viet.
 
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Another scare tactic by american. Your trick is old. Duterte want solid incentives like hospital , train, aprtment , power station, bridge and tunnel to be build and modernise Philippine. Giving a few million will no more working. Save your breadth! USA is a decaying nation :lol:

What kind of nonsense is this? US-Philippines relations always had its ups and downs. And just because it has cooled a little doesn't mean they are opening their arms to China, which would be same as replacing one hegemon with another. Duterte can say what the hell he wants. He can also throw the Americans out of Philippines if he wants to. US has been thrown out before, only to be brought back.
 
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The chinese r working overtime to give duerte all sort of moral support now. At the end of the day the phil needs to remember that the u.s did kill a lot of phil in the past, but the u.s does not grab any of the phil territory at the moment. The chinese otoh r trying to grab phil territory left n right at the moment.

Does the phil want to be friend with china so they will grab more of your territory or u want to be an ally of the world strongest military who has the capability but does not grab your land? The phil u don't want to be stupid like the viet.

I've pretty much had it with the narrative that the Philippines is turning heel against America. The Philippines is simply just trying to be self reliant for once in its history and Americans should at least try to appreciate that rather than incessantly lecturing a former colony. This is neocolonialism at work and Duterte won't have any of it.
 
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I've pretty much had it with the narrative that the Philippines is turning heel against America. The Philippines is simply just trying to be self reliant for once in its history and Americans should at least try to appreciate that rather than incessantly lecturing a former colony. This is neocolonialism at work and Duterte won't have any of it.
The phil is free to do whatever she wants. But is the phil ready to accept that without the u.s backing,the phillipnes is going to lose more territory to china?.
 
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duterte gonna be outta nowhere has stage 3 cancer
 
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The phil is free to do whatever she wants. But is the phil ready to accept that without the u.s backing,the phillipnes is going to lose more territory to china?.

The Philippines is gonna lose territory with or without US presence there. The only difference is that having the US by our side nullifies any chance of sorting out the SCS issue diplomatically with China.Everyone in that part of the world knows that US is only siding with the Philippines to pursue its own interests of going against China.

*current and past US-Philippine defense agreements do not cover the South China Sea.
 
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Another scare tactic by american. Your trick is old. Duterte want solid incentives like hospital , train, aprtment , power station, bridge and tunnel to be build and modernise Philippine. Giving a few million will no more working. Save your breadth! USA is a decaying nation :lol:

Oh please, the US has given far more to the Philippines than your country has in their time of need.
..Here, for example during the Typhoon Haiyan...
China... donated US$200,000 to the Philippine relief effort.[34] China provided a donation of US $1.4 million worth of relief supplies.[35] China also sent its naval hospital ship Peace.

The U.S. provided:

The United States initially contributed US$20 million in aid in food and relief goods;[19] this was later increased to US$37 million.[20] The official military relief efforts became known as Operation Damayan.[21] Twelve V-22 Ospreys from Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 262 and Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 265 were immediately deployed from Marine Corps Air Station Futenma in Japan to assist in delivering supplies;[22] and the United States Air Force's 36th Contingency Response Group was deployed to assist with the re-opening of the Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport in Tacloban.[23] Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered the Pacific Command to deploy vessels, including the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN-73) and its carrier strike group,[24] to the region and aircraft for search and rescue missions as well as to deliver relief supplies.[2] Other ships in the strike force include the supply ship USNS Charles Drew (T-AKE-10), the submarine tender USS Emory S. Land (AS-39), the cruisers USS Cowpens (CG-63) and USS Antietam (CG-54), the destroyers USS Lassen (DDG-82) and USS Mustin (DDG-89), the oceanographic survey ship USNS Bowditch (T-AGS-62).[25] and the oiler USNS Yukon (T-AO-202).[26] The hospital ship USNS Mercy (pictured) was also activated.[27] As of November 17, 19 USAF C-130 Hercules transport planes operating out of Clark International Airport (Formerly Clark Air Base) were dedicated to ferrying supplies to and evacuating victims from the region.[28][29] Three C-17 Globemaster III aircraft based at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam and Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson also flew many airlift flights into Tacloban airport, delivering food, water, and evacuating refugees back to Manila.[30][31] They were also instrumental in bringing in Philippine Army supplies to reopen the Tacloban airport. Three amphibious ships based in Sasebo, Japan, the USS Germantown (LSD-42), the USS Ashland (LSD-48), and the USS Denver (LPD-9) were also deployed and arrived on November 19[32] bringing an additional 1,000 marines to augment the 850 marines already on the ground.[26] The littoral combat ship USS Freedom (LCS-1) was also deployed to the region on November 18.[26] As of November 22, the US had committed over 13,000 military personnel to the relief effort.

Duterte chose to ignore that, and focus on generation old grievances of which everyone who was part of is dead or has 1 and a half feet in the grave, sounds very Chinese in fact.

I've pretty much had it with the narrative that the Philippines is turning heel against America. The Philippines is simply just trying to be self reliant for once in its history and Americans should at least try to appreciate that rather than incessantly lecturing a former colony. This is neocolonialism at work and Duterte won't have any of it.
Hopefully the Philippines won't become hostile to the US, it would be pretty saddening.

As for the lecturing you speak of, we don't voice our concerns because the Philippines is a former colony, we do it because your president is currently taking the Philippines down a dark path where rule of law is just a word and your constitution means nothing, which endanger's the Philippines' relationship with the US because we value those things in a country.

We voice our concerns with anyone, colony or not. Do you think China was ever a colony of ours? Russia? the UK? Kenya?, Saudi Arabia?

This talk about it happening because of the Philippines being a former colony is an inferiority complex that has to be worked out.

If the Philippines wants to reduce relations with the US (which is what you actually mean when you say you want the Philippines to be self-reliant) That's your country's prerogative, but the move will be reciprocated, and the US will reduce relations with the Philippines as well.

You will have a 'neutral' and self-reliant country for a time, but you won't have the same amount of security. and you won't have much leverage when it comes to China's territorial claims.

Perhaps you don't see that as important, ok then you'll be a Chinese client state and maybe you'll get money and maybe you won't and maybe your fishermen will be allowed to fish at their historic fishing spots and maybe they won't. It will be China's will that decides it, not the Philippines, and you'll be reliant once again.

I'd like to say the Philippines has another option, but you really don't, your navy is in that sad a shape through years of mismanagement and your country has been through years of mismanagement by your government. That's why Duterte was elected in the first place.

Would you even be able to cause losses to the Chinese if they decided they wanted them then and there?

Im being blunt with this, but the Filipinos respect bluntness do they not? Duterte not only needs to balance the accounts, he needs to strengthen your navy, and I don't think China is going to help with that until it has what it wants.
 
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@anon45 Filipinos don't mind being blunt as long as it is backed up by sound logic and judgement. For one, America has a huge influence in the way Philippine culture is shaped right now and its because of this the ordinary Filipino would never be hostile to any American to the extent of what you see in Iran, China or the middle east. When talking about leverage, I actually believe that the Philippines would gain more of it by not having the US at its side. As I've stated in previous posts, having the US forces as a means of leverage almost means nothing when it comes to the SCS issue as the Chinese will always have a bigger presence there. Having American presence there has done nothing to stop China from militarizing the SCS.
 
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@anon45 Filipinos don't mind being blunt as long as it is backed up by sound logic and judgement. For one, America has a huge influence in the way Philippine culture is shaped right now and its because of this the ordinary Filipino would never be hostile to any American to the extent of what you see in Iran, China or the middle east. When talking about leverage, I actually believe that the Philippines would gain more of it by not having the US at its side. As I've stated in previous posts, having the US forces as a means of leverage almost means nothing when it comes to the SCS issue as the Chinese will always have a bigger presence there. Having American presence there has done nothing to stop China from militarizing the SCS.


What leverage will the Philippines have?

Also in the most immediate term the Filipino soldiers in mindanao will be the ones hurt the most from this. Those advisors were likely providing supporting intelligence that saved lives.
 
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The Philippines is gonna lose territory with or without US presence there. The only difference is that having the US by our side nullifies any chance of sorting out the SCS issue diplomatically with China.Everyone in that part of the world knows that US is only siding with the Philippines to pursue its own interests of going against China.

*current and past US-Philippine defense agreements do not cover the South China Sea.
And how is the ph going to "negotiate" with china? china is not interested in negotiating, just ask these Chinese pdfers. Take for example the Scarborough shoal. what is the ph final take on that? Give the shoal to the Chinese or share the shoal which is historically a ph fishing ground? or take back the shoal?

If it wasn't for the u.s, the Chinese would have already built on that shoal like what they're doing in the paracels and spratlys already.
 
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The chinese r working overtime to give duerte all sort of moral support now. At the end of the day the phil needs to remember that the u.s did kill a lot of phil in the past, but the u.s does not grab any of the phil territory at the moment. The chinese otoh r trying to grab phil territory left n right at the moment.

Does the phil want to be friend with china so they will grab more of your territory or u want to be an ally of the world strongest military who has the capability but does not grab your land? The phil u don't want to be stupid like the viet.
PH was a colony of US, and still is. How's that for land grabbing ?
 
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@anon45 I don't mean leverage in the military side of things of course. When it comes to China, what matters most is development and bilateral diplomacy rather than confrontation and deterrence. So by having the Philippines enter negotiations alone rather than having the backing of the US is already leaps and bound different as compared to what the previous Aquino government did(hardline anti-China policy). The intelligence side of things would definitely take a hit but at the same time, I'd also look at this as an opportunity for American lives to stay out of danger in a war that the Filipino people need to solve amongst themselves.

@hoangsa74 It would be very shortsighted and naive to base matters of international diplomacy on Chinese opinions in a blog. Also the Chinese would have built these islands with or without the US. I actually think they even expedited this island building process and by extension their naval build up after the Obama administration announced their "pivot to Asia".
 
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And how is the ph going to "negotiate" with china? china is not interested in negotiating, just ask these Chinese pdfers. Take for example the Scarborough shoal. what is the ph final take on that? Give the shoal to the Chinese or share the shoal which is historically a ph fishing ground? or take back the shoal?

If it wasn't for the u.s, the Chinese would have already built on that shoal like what they're doing in the paracels and spratlys already.
Huangyan Island (scarborough shoal) was part of Chinese territory before the Spanish conquest.
Xisha islands were part of China when Vietnam was part of China.
Are you aware Vietnam did land reclamation first ? You should know some basic history about SCS before posting
 
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Huangyan Island (scarborough shoal) was part of Chinese territory before the Spanish conquest.
Xisha islands were part of China when Vietnam was part of China.
Are you aware Vietnam did land reclamation first ? You should know some basic history about SCS before posting

Chinese was aggressor from north China, had invaded in to Vietnam in the past, you are big thief from long time ago.
 
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