Dubai Airshow 2011

[Windjammer]

 

[Qasibr]

Mann I really dislike this Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar. Some of the comments he makes about the JF17 end up embarrassing this aircraft internationally rather than helping it.

For example, the way he worded his statements about the JF17's affordability in that reuters interview(which Express Tribune, and all the other media sources copied from), talking about how this is so cheap you can buy three for the price of one F-16. Reading Alert5 comments after this, people were ridiculing Mukhtar's comments.. like "Lockheed: Well you can shoot down five JF17s on one F16". All the indo media jumped all over Mukhtar's statement, the western media took his poorly worded statement to portray that the JF17 was really a bottom-barrel cheap performance aircraft as well. Even the Chinese official(and they don't even operate this aircraft yet) giving the presentation in @houshanghai's videos above emphasizes that this is an ADVANCED lightweight aircraft, not some cheap toy that costs less and underwhelms.

Also, his statement about the Pakistan Aeronautics Complex being unable to meet PAF's requirements was very very retarded. That implies this aircraft isn't up-to-par to our requirements, though what he meant to say was the PAC wasn't producing JF17s fast enough to fulfill our own orders. He should have worded this better.

I especially liked the way the Air Chief presented JF17's case - he mentioned that this was an ADVANCED lightweight, and also that it costs three times less than other aircraft that offer similar capabilities.

There is a big difference. Simply presenting the JF17 as some ultra-cheap aircraft makes it the butt of jokes, because people who don't know it's capabilities naturally assume we're emphasizing the cheap price because this is aircraft performs poorly.

On a kinder note, the anecdote that the Minister mentioned about the Chinese Premier was very touching - that when the Defence Minister visited China, he was told by the staff that the Chinese Premier Hu Jintao was in tears overcome with emotion on a recent to Pakistan, when he saw outside his aircraft's window and saw JF17s providing escort. But this makes me appreciate the Chinese Premier, not the Defence Minister though. This guy needs to get his foot out of his mouth.

Well you can expect this from a person who is as femiliar to defence as an average joe in street. Being minister doesnt mean he is qualified professional. The second statement made by him was correct to an extent because AFAIK, there was some contradiction between PAF and PAC on second batch of JFT (B II). PAF wanted it join the service ASAP involving some production from Chinese plant at CAC but Kamra suggested that to fully master the technology, it was essential that manufacturing would involve PAC. So he was correct that PAC was rather slow in filling the requirements for PAF. One would have to give them the benifit of doubt in first place as they will gradually accumulate expertise in manufacturing, the manufacturing speed should pick up.

Absolutely, my point was that he could have worded this better.

The Azerbaijan news sources have also said that while they'd like to get this jet, the manufacturer(Pakistan Aeronautical Complex) is completely busy with PAF's own orders. They said they'll get this "in the nearest years", so it is also true that PAC is completely busy trying to fulfill PAF's own orders, but the Defence Minister could have phrased it better than saying that the PAC *failed* to meet Pakistan's requirements yet.

A statement to the effect that, the current primary focus was on fulfilling Pakistan's critical orders/strength, would have sufficed. Our Air Chief's statement, which I put in bold up there, was much better than the Defence Minister's.

 

[Dazzler]

Absolutely, my point was that he could have worded this better.

The Azerbaijan news sources have also said that while they'd like to get this jet, the manufacturer(Pakistan Aeronautical Complex) is completely busy with PAF's own orders. They said they'll get this "in the nearest years", so it is also true that PAC is completely busy trying to fulfill PAF's own orders, but the Defence Minister could have phrased it better than saying that the PAC *failed* to meet Pakistan's requirements yet. A statement to the effect that, the current primary focus was on fulfilling Pakistan's critical orders/strength, would have sufficed. Our Air Chief's statement, which I put in bold up there, was much better than the Defence Minister's.

These are "Jaali Degree" ministers so it is absurd to expect anything positive from them. We are governed by the worst of us!

 

[PakShaheen79]

Sorry Shaheen Bhai. This picture isin't of Dubai Air Show. We have three JF-17s from 16th Squadron and apparently this 113 doesn't belong to 16th but 26th Squadron.

Thnaks bro. I stand corrected

 

[regular]

Absolutely, my point was that he could have worded this better.

The Azerbaijan news sources have also said that while they'd like to get this jet, the manufacturer(Pakistan Aeronautical Complex) is completely busy with PAF's own orders. They said they'll get this "in the nearest years", so it is also true that PAC is completely busy trying to fulfill PAF's own orders, but the Defence Minister could have phrased it better than saying that the PAC *failed* to meet Pakistan's requirements yet.
A statement to the effect that, the current primary focus was on fulfilling Pakistan's critical orders/strength, would have sufficed. Our Air Chief's statement, which I put in bold up there, was much better than the Defence Minister's.

I guess we can speed up the manufacturing process by doubling up the assebly lines both in here and in China to meet up the export orderz....nothing is so hard to do.....

 

[abaseen99]

PAF K8 trainer performing At Dubai Air Show 2011 - YouTube

 

[Edevelop]

Absolutely, my point was that he could have worded this better.

The Azerbaijan news sources have also said that while they'd like to get this jet, the manufacturer(Pakistan Aeronautical Complex) is completely busy with PAF's own orders. They said they'll get this "in the nearest years", so it is also true that PAC is completely busy trying to fulfill PAF's own orders, but the Defence Minister could have phrased it better than saying that the PAC *failed* to meet Pakistan's requirements yet.


A statement to the effect that, the current primary focus was on fulfilling Pakistan's critical orders/strength, would have sufficed. Our Air Chief's statement, which I put in bold up there, was much better than the Defence Minister's.

Obviously, the air chief is a pilot so he knows his stuff. Our defence minister doesn't know $hit. What good knowledgeable ministers are out there anyways in Pakistan?

 

[abaseen99]

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[Areesh]

These are "Jaali Degree" ministers so it is absurd to expect anything positive from them. We are governed by the worst of us!

Our defense minister can give you good info about jootai(shoes). He isn't that useless after all.

 

[SBD-3]

These are "Jaali Degree" ministers so it is absurd to expect anything positive from them. We are governed by the worst of us!

"Degree, Degree hoti hay, Asli ho ya Jali ho".....

 

[abaseen99]

"Degree, Degree hoti hay, Asli ho ya Jali ho".....

 

[abaseen99]

Pakistan said that Azerbaijan intends to purchase China-Pakistan Joint Xiaolong fighter production
2011-11-16 11:04 Global network of military
Enhance the production capacity of Pakistan Xiaolong 3 next-generation machine or into the export country
Summary: Dubai, United Arab Emirates to participate in the International Air Show is the Pakistan Air Consortium (PAC) on behalf of the company official said November 15, Azerbaijan to buy Pakistani joint production of the FC-1 "Fierce Dragon" (JF-17 "Lightning") fighter .


　　According to Russian military news network reported November 16, is the United Arab Emirates Dubai to participate in international exhibitions of Pakistan Airlines consortium (PAC) on behalf of the company official said on November 15, Azerbaijan to buy Pakistani joint production of the FC-1 "Fierce Dragon" (JF-17 "Lightning") fighter.


　　Pakistan International Airlines to accept the Commonwealth's official representative in Azerbaijan, the media, said, A delegation carefully watched the "Fierce Dragon" fighter in the Dubai air show flight demonstration on the whole process. Alfonso expressed interest in purchasing the "Fierce Dragon" fighter. Baa two sides have been negotiating on this issue, but has not yet progressed to the trading phase. Pakistan Air Force, now the company is fulfilling purchase orders, export to Azerbaijan "Fierce Dragon" program may be implemented within the next few years. But the two sides have established an initial supply. Compared with the MiG-29 aircraft, the "Fierce Dragon" have similar or even more advanced series of performance indicators, such as greater mobility. Get this plane, the Azerbaijan Air Force's combat will be significantly improved.


　　Pakistan's official representative pointed out that the relations are at a higher level of Baa, Pakistani official support A Fangli field and A territorial integrity. Taking full account of these relationships, then Alfonso procurement "Fierce Dragon" fighter will not be a problem. And from next year, Pakistan will cooperate with the development of new avionics and weapons systems of the "Fierce Dragon-Block2" upgrade products, aircraft performance will be further improved.

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　　"Fierce Dragon" aircraft length 14.97 m, the maximum weight of 12.474 tons, the maximum speed of 1909 km, combat radius of 1352 km. Model 23-2 with a 23 mm double-barreled guns can be mounted 4-air guided missile, a ground guided missiles, a non-guided missiles, four Mk.82 type or GBU-10/GBU-12 aerial bombs . (Compiled: Shu-shan) ★

 

[Dazzler]

i have breaking news but still needs confirmation. My source at the show tells that Arabs are stunned by JFTs performance and many inquiries are being made. Even more breaking is that Qatar has placed an Oder for 20 JFTs!

 

[regular]

i have breaking news but still needs confirmation. My source at the show tells that Arabs are stunned by JFTs performance and many inquiries are being made. Even more breaking is that Qatar has placed an Oder for 20 JFTs!

Yes! for sure it will be confirmed soon...I am expecting the same news too....aap key moonh mein GHEE SHAKKAR our MITHAI BARRFI. Alhamdolillah!.....

 

[Dazzler]

i know it might sound childish but.....

YAHOOOOOOOO !!!!!!

Pak-Cheen dosti Zindabad!!