Drunk US Military Instructor Says Ukrainians are War Criminals

[waz]

I don’t back either side that being said the Russians were stupid enough to mass invade. The Ukrainians didn’t intrude and are defending.
Defenders have never treated invaders nicely in history.

 

[SIPRA]

This is geopolitics and war. Fundamental principle and deciding factor would be comprehensive power. Morality, justice and fair play have no place in this game; though every state professes these attributes for propaganda purposes.

 

[Imran Khan]

Then USA is angel of death

 

[TheSolution]

These things happen in war. Remember how our boys lobbed Taliban bastards out of helicopters above SWAT as an interrogation technique?

I believe the phrase used by soldiers to the remaining sympathisers and supporters taken along for the ride in the heli was "Haan ya Baan"?.

Wars always get out of hand, Ukraine is no exception. There are videos of serious mistreatment of russian POWs by Ukrainians but there are equally awful images of mass graves in liberated Ukrainian cities, people shot point blank handcuffed to the rear a d dumped on top of another.

Anyway, just my opinion.

How effective was it?

I feel like that's probably not as effective as the classic interrogation techniques of subjecting them to psychological trauma and physical pain in intervals and offering them a chance to reveal information.

 

[RescueRanger]

How effective was it?

I feel like that's probably not as effective as the classic interrogation techniques of subjecting them to psychological trauma and physical pain in intervals and offering them a chance to reveal information.

Effective enough to recapture SWAT and Dir

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I have seen the videos of them shooting Russian prisoners. It is a war crime. But with the facist Jewish clown in charge ...what do u expect

Videos Suggest Captive Russian Soldiers Were Killed at Close Range (Published 2022)

Videos circulating online and reported on by Russian state media have raised questions about whether Ukrainian soldiers committed a war crime.

www.nytimes.com

keep the religious slurs out of that criticism. that guy is a fraud and that has nothing to do with his faith.
we have global audience and makes us look intolerant, lets keep bigotry out of our valid criticism.

 

[Trango Towers]

keep the religious slurs out of that criticism. that guy is a fraud and that has nothing to do with his faith.
we have global audience and makes us look intolerant, lets keep bigotry out of our valid criticism.

OK fair enough but arnt we all Muslim terrorists or ISIS or taliban?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Does that mean Russia need to suspend too? It's not like the Russian did not commit any war crime. Tell me which party in which war had not committed war crime?

This is a war, and war ALWAYS go out of hand, it's not a game when you start killing people. And if this is the case, war crime are more or less acceptable in some circumstance.

People never been to frontline always said shit like this. Problem is, when you see a couple of your friend, your neighbor killed in a horrible way, would you keep your cool and keep rational when all things considered? No, you will empty your mag like everyone else, you don't care if they are soldier, POW or civilian.

And you are giving justification to Ukrainian war.

war is hell . but there is always a fine line where a professional solider can be differentiated from an unhinged killer or a terrorist. but you are talking facts from experience and I cant disagree. I am talking should be and you are responding how it really is.
sadly.

here something to share you with,
so back in 2009 the Pak Military launched an assault on the Pakistani Taliban stronghold involving heliborne troops, armor and special forces. a family friend of mine who was serving during the time as part of army engineers embedded with the heliborne unit told me that after liberating a town they identified about half a dozen hardcore terrorists among the captured taliban who had filmed themselves beheading civilians, policemen and army men they had captured few months back . they also desecrated the corpses and used them as booby traps as well.
after identifying them with help of locals as well they were put in pairs in a Huey and the helicopter will rise few hundred feet up in the air above the town center and they will be tossed one by one on the ground and the locals actually cheered as well. now for a snowflake this is a war crime and Pakistan must be punished (as if its not punished enough already).

the Pakistani Taliban have fooled the army and the public so many times using religion, ethnicity, nationality, morality, local clerics, politicians that its shame on us. even the last government had insisted that army sends clerics and its intelligence chief to Afghanistan to talk peace and reconciliation with those butchers who are no less vicious than Daesh.
I know I am going against the opening post of this thread I started but it was more for the sake of just discussion for the gullible and pampered civilians who's only experience to war is from some grainy war footage. which is heavily edited out. Also wanted to show that its not just Putin's forces that are evil but its same story on Ukrainian side too.
for the sake of completion (but with risk of discussion going out of scope) I recall a WW2 war documentary from a psychological perspective which detailed the actions of Allied soldiers right at the end of the war when the victory against the Halters army was in the bag. those soldiers were seen and documented enjoying violence and actually purposefully killing enemy soldiers (not talking D day or when don't take prisoners directive was given) and killing them even after the war had ended including civilians and actually openly enjoying that. the US Kill teams antics in Iraq and Afghanistan are another example. there is absolute black and white but a bit of grey everywhere. and war has traumatic effect on people they are never the same. hence the term 1000 yard stare I have seen it not just the soldiers deployed in this endless war with Taliban but also among civilians as well who have seen their multiple family members murdered in front of them.

OK fair enough but arnt we all Muslim terrorists or ISIS or taliban?

two wrongs dont make it right. we shall follow good examples of our noble personalities and let them follow their trash talking haters on social and commercial media.

 

[Piotr]

Even if the allegations are true:

Ukraine has the ultimate rationale: They are defending their country against an invasion attempt.

Russia is defending Donbass. Regime in Kiev was obliged by Minsk Agreements to give autonomy to Donbass. Regime in Kiev not only refused to implement Minsk Agreements but continued to shell Donbass. In fact neither regime in Kiev nor it's western sponsors ever intended to implement Minsk Agreements (as confessed by Merkel and Poroshenko). Regime in Kiev and it's western sponsors cheated and acted in bad faith.

 

[Viet]

lol pro-Russian Jackson Hinkler.

He should stay commenting nazi-stuff with Nick Fuentes.

Typical rants by racists and rapists who accuse other of racism and rape. If Putin did not invade other countries by false pretexts the world would end this year more peaceful.

Oh wait: as Putin participates 300,000 deaths on Russia side, he offers afterlives for his soon to die soldiers. Putin’s sperm bank.

Putin’s sperm bank: Russia offers to freeze soldiers’ semen in case they die

Russian men called up to fight in Ukraine will be able to have their sperm frozen and stored at a cryobank without charge, state media has reported.The presiden

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[Foinikas]

What kool aid are these guys drinking?
It's war there will be War Crimes committed on both sides
Fricking Wagner is fighting in Ukraine and well there's tons of war crimes.
There were videos of Russians castrating Ukrainians, kidnapping Ukranian children to "rehabilitate" them in Russia, Bombing Civilians etc.
Geneva Convention is more like GENEVA SUGGESTIONS at time of war.

Ukrainians crucifying Russian soldiers...I've watched on of those...

 

[Stranagor]

Russia is defending Donbass. Regime in Kiev was obliged by Minsk Agreements to give autonomy to Donbass. Regime in Kiev not only refused to implement Minsk Agreements but continued to shell Donbass. In fact neither regime in Kiev nor it's western sponsors ever intended to implement Minsk Agreements (as confessed by Merkel and Poroshenko). Regime in Kiev and it's western sponsors cheated and acted in bad faith.

Minsk 2, Article 10: Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries.

Yet, Russia argued it was not bound by the Agreement as it was not a party to it. Hence, Russian interventions continued.

Russia acted in bad faith as it had already decided to go with the invasion no matter what.

Besides, no part part of sovereignty can be traded away under any agreement. Nations are entitled with territorial integrity no matter what.

Otherwise, the entire Islamic Caucasus, Dagestan and Chechnya, should have already been independent since they demand sovereignty since the 27th century.

Ask anyone from the region the date of 1864.

Yet, Russia has responded by ethnically cleansing the entire Islamic Caucasus.

Russia is a failing resource rich tyranny.

Typical rants by racists and rapists who accuse other of racism and rape. If Putin did not invade other countries by false pretexts the world would end this year more peaceful.

Oh wait: as Putin participates 300,000 deaths on Russia side, he offers afterlives for his soon to die soldiers. Putin’s sperm bank.

Putin’s sperm bank: Russia offers to freeze soldiers’ semen in case they die

Russian men called up to fight in Ukraine will be able to have their sperm frozen and stored at a cryobank without charge, state media has reported.The presiden

www.thetimes.co.uk

Putin is turning Russia into a massive death cult.

 

[jhungary]

war is hell . but there is always a fine line where a professional solider can be differentiated from an unhinged killer or a terrorist. but you are talking facts from experience and I cant disagree. I am talking should be and you are responding how it really is.
sadly.

here something to share you with,
so back in 2009 the Pak Military launched an assault on the Pakistani Taliban stronghold involving heliborne troops, armor and special forces. a family friend of mine who was serving during the time as part of army engineers embedded with the heliborne unit told me that after liberating a town they identified about half a dozen hardcore terrorists among the captured taliban who had filmed themselves beheading civilians, policemen and army men they had captured few months back . they also desecrated the corpses and used them as booby traps as well.
after identifying them with help of locals as well they were put in pairs in a Huey and the helicopter will rise few hundred feet up in the air above the town center and they will be tossed one by one on the ground and the locals actually cheered as well. now for a snowflake this is a war crime and Pakistan must be punished (as if its not punished enough already).

the Pakistani Taliban have fooled the army and the public so many times using religion, ethnicity, nationality, morality, local clerics, politicians that its shame on us. even the last government had insisted that army sends clerics and its intelligence chief to Afghanistan to talk peace and reconciliation with those butchers who are no less vicious than Daesh.
I know I am going against the opening post of this thread I started but it was more for the sake of just discussion for the gullible and pampered civilians who's only experience to war is from some grainy war footage. which is heavily edited out. Also wanted to show that its not just Putin's forces that are evil but its same story on Ukrainian side too.
for the sake of completion (but with risk of discussion going out of scope) I recall a WW2 war documentary from a psychological perspective which detailed the actions of Allied soldiers right at the end of the war when the victory against the Halters army was in the bag. those soldiers were seen and documented enjoying violence and actually purposefully killing enemy soldiers (not talking D day or when don't take prisoners directive was given) and killing them even after the war had ended including civilians and actually openly enjoying that. the US Kill teams antics in Iraq and Afghanistan are another example. there is absolute black and white but a bit of grey everywhere. and war has traumatic effect on people they are never the same. hence the term 1000 yard stare I have seen it not just the soldiers deployed in this endless war with Taliban but also among civilians as well who have seen their multiple family members murdered in front of them.


two wrongs dont make it right. we shall follow good examples of our noble personalities and let them follow their trash talking haters on social and commercial media.

Maybe my choice of word is not good.

I don't actually mean war crime were acceptable, no war crime in the scale of murdering innocent woman and children was acceptable, what i said was, it's acceptable to accept the fact that war crime is going to be in any war, and as long as you have a mechanism to prosecute the offender, that's fact is acceptable. Many people say things like "you are the army, you are a disciplined force, and you are supposed to be able to insert some self-control, that mean war crime should not happen." I can tell you right now, up front, no matter how season you are, no matter how much "shit" you had seen, or how professional you are, everyone has his breaking point. and I mean EVERYONE, once you reach or over that point, you snap, it's not pretty, and I had seen people snapped, and I can tell you, when you snap, you don't really care.

Let me tell you a true story, this is as close to committing a war crime as I get, I did some crazy things in war, things that I am not proud of, things that can be in time illegal (eg, taking War Torphy), but there are 2 times I almost lost it, and this is one of those time.

When I was in Iraq, we were making progress and "Racing" to Baghdad, our standing order is do not stop until you reach your waypoint on your particular phase line. That was the order given, you don't stop for anything, not even when they use children to block the road.

Anyway, one time we were travelling in a 6 trucks convoy outside of Al Kut between Nasiriyah and Baghdad, our order is to hook up with the 1st Marine who rode south (We rode SW) and meet up north of Nasiriyah up Highway 6, because our original plan had went to shit, we were supposed to switch SW and went thru Karbala, anyway, with 2 Bradley wrapping around us, and the lead Bradley stopped because there is a traffic accident ahead, the SOP is to bypass the accident, ram those car off the road if we have to, that's why we have 2 Bradley in front. But when the lead Bradley stopped, the entire column stopped, and people just mobbed us. It took a while, but it turns out one of the village chief sons is hurt pretty bad in the accident, the chief and his family try to flee North because we are coming, and they are sideswipe by a bus. It basically wedged the son in the wreckage, but somehow, they manage to free the son, I will say no more than 10. And the father begs us thru the interpreter to take his son to the hospital, but we are in a middle of nowhere, and there is no hospital.

Basically, what the chief want us to do is to transport his son to a US Army CCP or Role 3, well, I tried to call medivac, and they denied that request because they don't take local. And then after a while I decided to drive the kid myself in my Humvee back to Battalion HQ, at least have him look at the kid at the aid station and have the Battalion Surgent look at the kid.. So I took 1 Humvee and go back around 16 miles back to the Battalion HQ.

Arriving at the Battalion HQ. I stopped at the aid station, which was a MNU and run by a British Major if I remember correctly. and he said "Nah, send him to local hospital, we do not have the duty to take care of local casualty unless they were hurt by coalition force. We only have to give them the same duty of care as if they will have within the local can give. Which is a good way to say we aren't gonna do anything. Because there are no duty of care in Iraq 2003. Local hospital are reserved for Baath party member, they aren't going to see a village kid.

After hearing that, I pull out my sidearm, the British Quack have the dead look in his face thinking I was going to use it on him. And then I point at the kid and said "So we only take Coalition Casuality huh? Maybe I should drill some hole in the kid's arm, at least you will have to see him" That Major was stunned, and I honestly don't know why I did that, maybe it's the heat? Maybe it's the bullshit? Maybe it's the long drive? I don't know, but I know what the Major said was true because I was brief on by the same people that brief him about rules of engagement. But I just wasn;t thinking straight and I am really going to shoot that kid in front of the entire medical staff if that is the only way that stupid doctor would see him.

The major then order 2 orderly and bring the kid inside, and I holster my sidearm and turn around and prepare to leave, then the Major come back out and said to me "Next time you do this to me again I will have the MP escort you to the jail" and I just smile and give him a salute and then he said "This is not over". By that he meant he told my superior and my superior reprimand me for refusing to follow a direct order and reckless endangerment (For pulling a loaded firearm inside a base). I was docked a month's pay and was put in disciplinary duty, and a strike was recorded on my record. If I get 3 strikes, I will deem non-promotable and would have to separate from the Military.

I have 2 strikes against me when I got out, and that's why when everyone takes 3.5 years to go from 2LT to Captain, it took me 4.5 because I have been rotated back twice from promotion.

 

[Beast]

So was Saddam, but the geopolitical needs outweighed his monstrous nature.
The Ukrainians might very well be war criminals but then bringing down Russia and specifically Putin for the geopolitical gain is worth the price

Then so is Hitler and Nazi, right? Lol..

The american for sake of victory against opponent can resort to murder and abuse. Is that what u say?

 

[jhungary]

Then so is Hitler and Nazi, right? Lol..

The american for sake of victory against opponent can resort to murder and abuse. Is that what u say?

I wish fighting war is that easy.

Imagine this scenario.

Your entire platoon is under fire, small arms RPG, pinning you down, they were 200-250 yards ahead of you. Then they start dropping thud, thud, mortar.

Now, you want to call a gunship and deal with all that. Why not? The first question they ask is "Can you pin point your enemy location, because they can't fire anything as that location we want to drop are civilian building, the pilot ask you to PID the actual house where the fire is coming from so they can hit that particular house instead of leveling 4 bloc just to kill some insurgent.

You can't because you stick your head out, there are going to be bullet hole in your head. Sure, if I can PID which house of the 4 is firing at me, I would had fking engage that myself.

Or how about this scenario

There were 4 guys laying with RPG next to 2 women feeding their children, you saw them, and they see you, but then because people with RPG is not an uncommon occurance, and the present of women and children mean these people are deem non-hostile. You can't do jack shit on them, that does not mean you don't need to travel on that road, that only mean one thing, there are some point in time, when you are driving that road, that 4 guys are going to aim their RPG at you and firing at you, and then you are clear to engage, and if you shoot that 2 women who were breast feeding their children next to it, that's 10 years hard labor in Levenworth.

Meanwhile Taliban or Iraqi Baathist insurgent can cut off your ball live streaming on the internet, and he got to do that without any consequence.

Yes, if war is fought the way you say, I can just murder and abuse people without consequence, that would have been great. Honestly, if we were allowed to do 1/10 of what the Russian do in this war in Ukraine, I would say, that's probably enough to scare the insurgent and we probably not be losing nearly 6000 men in 2 wars in that 20 years. I mean, when we hit a hospital, the international community had been dogging us for like 3 months, did you hear anyone talking about Russian hitting Ukrainian Hospital? The first question people ask would be "Which one"