Drones hit 2 Saudi Aramco oil facilities, cause fires

[Falcon29]

No sympathy with Saudis until they cease the war they initiated on poor Yemeni people.

Why you guys make all these threads about sympathy and what not, let's analyze the facts first. It's a military forum after all. All the indications suggest this is an attack from Iraq or the Persian Gulf. And if this is the case it will be a big development and there will be more news coming out. Let's wait and see.

 

[Max]

Why you guys make all these threads about sympathy and what not, let's analyze the facts first. It's a military forum after all. All the indications suggest this is an attack from Iraq or the Persian Gulf. And if this is the case it will be a big development and there will be more news coming out. Let's wait and see.

Saudi family are bunch of cowards, it's not first drone attack, if they wanted to attack they would have done long ago. This is my short analysis, they will push it under the rug.

 

[Falcon29]

Saudi family are bunch of cowards, it's not first drone attack, if they wanted to attack they would have done long ago. This is my short analysis, they will push it under the rug.

Believe me I agree they will push it under rug and they lack a strategy to countering Iranian proxies and Iran. They need better intelligence and I'm not sure what the heck their intelligence agency is doing. They should be monitoring Iraqi militias and collecting intelligence on their whereabouts and what not. And able to identify where the attack came from and have a diplomatic case already ready for the whole world and even limited military reprisal like Israel would. But, they are avoiding implicating Iraqi militias and their own people are furious.

Iraq is allowing these militias to conduct attacks against Saudi Arabia from its soil it appears. And Saudi Arabia is just watching and taking the hits. It makes no sense.

My only difference with you was that this is not from Yemen or related to it and its an IRGC hit from Iraq most likely. And it's all related to US sanctions preventing anyone from buying oil from Iran.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

This is not from Yemen its from Iraq. These are sophisticated drones and a sophisticated operation. Most likely conducted by IRGC members.

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New photos just came out of some wreckage, looks like maybe Fateh 110 ballistic missiles involved too??:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1172888561730936832

Or cruise missiles ??

This is a very worrisome development, if it indeed turns out to be a cruise missile. The fact that it was an attack on oil refinery alone was a dangerous development but with cruise missiles as well?

This could lead to a serious escalation between KSA and Iran - maybe a direct confrontation as well.

Pakistan has made repeated claims about protecting and defending the territorial integrity of KSA - what happens if we actually have to honour that?

Not to mention the broader implications of such a conflict for the region and world economy.

Believe me I agree they will push it under rug and they lack a strategy to countering Iranian proxies and Iran. They need better intelligence and I'm not sure what the heck their intelligence agency is doing. They should be monitoring Iraqi militias and collecting intelligence on their whereabouts and what not. And able to identify where the attack came from and have a diplomatic case already ready for the whole world and even limited military reprisal like Israel would. But, they are avoiding implicating Iraqi militias and their own people are furious.

Iraq is allowing these militias to conduct attacks against Saudi Arabia from its soil it appears. And Saudi Arabia is just watching and taking the hits. It makes no sense.

My only difference with you was that this is not from Yemen or related to it and its an IRGC hit from Iraq most likely. And it's all related to US sanctions preventing anyone from buying oil from Iran.

It would get much harder for the Saudis to ignore their oil fields getting attacked with missiles and drones.

After all, it is one thing to have a few check posts on the border attacked and a completely different ball game to have cruise missiles falling on your oil field in the middle of the country.

I just don't know what sort of options the Saudis have now.

 

[Falcon29]

Wa Alaykm Al Salam wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakatuh

This is a very worrisome development, if it indeed turns out to be a cruise missile. The fact that it was an attack on oil refinery alone was a dangerous development but with cruise missiles as well?

This could lead to a serious escalation between KSA and Iran - maybe a direct confrontation as well.

Pakistan has made repeated claims about protecting and defending the territorial integrity of KSA - what happens if we actually have to honour that?

Not to mention the broader implications of such a conflict for the region and world economy.

Indeed it is worrying, although I'm not sure if this is a cruise missile, ballistic missile or explosive drone. Some people are saying it is a drone.

This KSA-Iran feud is seeming to go to no point of return and likely the world will watch them war with each other and it will be detrimental for the region.

I really don't know what I would do if I was in Pakistan's position or any other Muslim country. I would likely try to deescalate situation and maybe make sure holy sites are functioning and protected. I do wonder too what will happen to global economy and how will international powers approach such situation.

It would get much harder for the Saudis to ignore their oil fields getting attacked with missiles and drones.

After all, it is one thing to have a few check posts on the border attacked and a completely different ball game to have cruise missiles falling on your oil field in the middle of the country.

I just don't know what sort of options the Saudis have now.

Yes, they are between rock and a hard place. I think Iran would love for them to respond in Iraq or against Iran so it can take advantage of situation in obvious ways. And Saudi Arabia is aware of that so they are exercising restraint for now.

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Edit: It looks like a Soumar cruise missile.

 

[NightStrike]

Wa Alaykm Al Salam wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakatuh



Indeed it is worrying, although I'm not sure if this is a cruise missile, ballistic missile or explosive drone. Some people are saying it is a drone.

This KSA-Iran feud is seeming to go to no point of return and likely the world will watch them war with each other and it will be detrimental for the region.

I really don't know what I would do if I was in Pakistan's position or any other Muslim country. I would likely try to deescalate situation and maybe make sure holy sites are functioning and protected. I do wonder too what will happen to global economy and how will international powers approach such situation.



Yes, they are between rock and a hard place. I think Iran would love for them to respond in Iraq or against Iran so it can take advantage of situation in obvious ways. And Saudi Arabia is aware of that so they are exercising restraint for now.

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Edit: It looks like a Soumar cruise missile.

I agree a response in Iraq would be a strategic mistake for the Saudis as Iran can then deliver drones and or missiles much more effectively into Iraq than Yemen. Their oil facilities would not survive imo.

Best thing to do is a peace deal.

 

[Kastor]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/14/sau...l-production-after-drone-attack-wsj-says.html

Saudi Arabia reportedly shuts down half its oil production after drone attack
Saudi Arabia is shutting down half of its oil production after drones attacked the world’s largest oil processing facility in the kingdom, The Wall Street Journal reported.

The closure will impact almost five million barrels of crude production a day, about 5% of the world’s daily oil production, the WSJ reported, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Early Saturday, an oilfield operated by Saudi Aramco, the state-owned oil giant, was attacked by a number of drones, which sparked a huge fire at a processor crucial to global energy supplies.

Yemen’s Houthi rebels have claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was one of their largest attacks ever inside the kingdom, the WSJ reported.

“We promise the Saudi regime that our future operations will expand and be more painful as long as its aggression and siege continue,” a Houthi spokesman said. The attack involved 10 drones, the Houthis said.

 

[Mithridates]

 

[skyshadow]

Houthis apparently also used their Quds-1 Cruise missile on the attack on Aramco oil facilities at Abqaiq KSA, replica of the Iranian "Sumar". The tail part can be seen without the booster which was jettisoned after launch.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Salaam



This is a very worrisome development, if it indeed turns out to be a cruise missile. The fact that it was an attack on oil refinery alone was a dangerous development but with cruise missiles as well?

This could lead to a serious escalation between KSA and Iran - maybe a direct confrontation as

Wa Alaykm Al Salam wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakatuh



Indeed it is worrying, although I'm not sure if this is a cruise missile, ballistic missile or explosive drone. Some people are saying it is a drone.

This KSA-Iran feud is seeming to go to no point of return and likely the world will watch them war with each other and it will be detrimental for the region.

I really don't know what I would do if I was in Pakistan's position or any other Muslim country. I would likely try to deescalate situation and maybe make sure holy sites are functioning and protected. I do wonder too what will happen to global economy and how will international powers approach such situation.



Yes, they are between rock and a hard place. I think Iran would love for them to respond in Iraq or against Iran so it can take advantage of situation in obvious ways. And Saudi Arabia is aware of that so they are exercising restraint for now.

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Edit: It looks like a Soumar cruise missile.

I'malso trying to think about what could be the reason behind the Iranian escalation here.

It cannot be that they would attack the oil fields without much thought.

I'm especially curious about why they would do such a thing right after the recent tensions with the US. Were they emboldened by it? Do they think that the US isn't willing to fight them because of domestic reasons - Bolton getting the boot etc - so they chose to do this?

If it is Saumar cruise missile - and if the evidence ties it to the Iranians in a very clear way. What would that mean. Surely, they did this expecting something.

What if the Saudis do not respond to this - and there is another one like it.

The Iranians are obviously confident about their capabilities that they've went this route. If this attack doesn't force the Saudis to act they could do another - how many before the Saudis cannot ignore any further.

Why now though and what does it mean for the Saudis given the Iranians are confident now and willing to provoke them.

The Saudis should try to mend ties with Turkey ASAP and start mending relatiins with all the others if they wish to be able to tackle Iran.

 

[Sine Nomine]

No sympathy with Saudis until they cease the war they initiated on poor Yemeni people.

Don't show sympathy towards them since another advanture by Iran would skyrocket Oil prices and we would need that sympaty ourselves.

Believe me I agree they will push it under rug and they lack a strategy to countering Iranian proxies and Iran. They need better intelligence and I'm not sure what the heck their intelligence agency is doing. They should be monitoring Iraqi militias and collecting intelligence on their whereabouts and what not. And able to identify where the attack came from and have a diplomatic case already ready for the whole world and even limited military reprisal like Israel would. But, they are avoiding implicating Iraqi militias and their own people are furious.

Iraq is allowing these militias to conduct attacks against Saudi Arabia from its soil it appears. And Saudi Arabia is just watching and taking the hits. It makes no sense.

My only difference with you was that this is not from Yemen or related to it and its an IRGC hit from Iraq most likely. And it's all related to US sanctions preventing anyone from buying oil from Iran.

KSA is left without friends.It's only close ally Pak which would jump at time of conflict is also being kept an arm length away from kingdom.

 

[Enigma SIG]

MBS reign has been bad for Saudi Arabia compared to Abdullah or Salman. That being said, this is not about 'overreaching' by them. Iran has played its cards right in the region and has encircled Saudi Arabia. It has them facing two fronts one in Yemen and now one in Iraq. Iran has been waiting for this day for a long time and is much more prepared for a war than Saudi Arabia is. And is more motivated for a war. Saudi Arabia wants stability more than anything else.

Make no mistake though, any Saudi-Iranian war would have huge negative repercussions for the region.

When you start vilifying your partners and pressurize them into accepting your terms as a master slave (KSA/UAE - Pakistan) relationship; there are bound to be repercussions. They should learn how US vilified Pakistan and sent it screaming into China's camp (for the best).

If arabs keep treating Pakistan like a slave captured in a war; it will be forced to take sides with Iran sooner or later; its diplomatic issues with Iran notwithstanding. Pakistan had fun watching US interests go up in flame in the region just by waiting it out. 10 points to the arabs if they understand the seriousness of the matter quickly. No amount of money can "buy" respect. These rich sheikhs are used to throwing money at problems.

 

[Falcon29]

I agree a response in Iraq would be a strategic mistake for the Saudis as Iran can then deliver drones and or missiles much more effectively into Iraq than Yemen. Their oil facilities would not survive imo.

Best thing to do is a peace deal.

Absolutely not, Iran is led by a regime that embodies and emphasizes revolution and will not stop exporting the 'revolution' if Saudis just surrender. There are much better options for Saudi Arabia if they are willing to change. But, they aren't and they ignored all their brothers advice since the Arab spring until now. Their news media isn't even covering the news much. It's too late for them as they have played their cards wrong and Iran will go all the way. I won't be surprised if we see an Saudi-Iranian war by 2020.

So bottomline, they had much better options but foregone all of them. And now their top oil producing facility is attacked and set ablaze. Supposedly its output is 7 million barrels a day.

Salaam




I'malso trying to think about what could be the reason behind the Iranian escalation here.

It cannot be that they would attack the oil fields without much thought.

I'm especially curious about why they would do such a thing right after the recent tensions with the US. Were they emboldened by it? Do they think that the US isn't willing to fight them because of domestic reasons - Bolton getting the boot etc - so they chose to do this?

If it is Saumar cruise missile - and if the evidence ties it to the Iranians in a very clear way. What would that mean. Surely, they did this expecting something.

What if the Saudis do not respond to this - and there is another one like it.

The Iranians are obviously confident about their capabilities that they've went this route. If this attack doesn't force the Saudis to act they could do another - how many before the Saudis cannot ignore any further.

Why now though and what does it mean for the Saudis given the Iranians are confident now and willing to provoke them.

The Saudis should try to mend ties with Turkey ASAP and start mending relatiins with all the others if they wish to be able to tackle Iran.

Either Iranians have not much left to lose or they believe US does not want to get into a war and will allow a Saudi-Iranian war to play out. Russia is based in Syria too and like Russia will stand behind them in some form. Also US under Trump have made it clear they don't want a war and that Trump wants continued economic prosperity for the US.

This is the top oil producing facility in Saudi Arabia and the global reaction has been minimal. I don't expect Saudi Arabia to be able to change this equation and a new attack will follow, maybe even more lethal.

Iran is certainly confident on the military front. And as you said, Saudi's under MBS alienated Qatar, Turkey and other populist movements in the region. They have good ties with Egypt and Jordan, the GCC. Egypt does not want a war in the region and Jordan can only secure itself.

KSA is left without friends.It's only close ally Pak which would jump at time of conflict is also being kept an arm length away from kingdom.

This is true, unfortunately.

When you start vilifying your partners and pressurize them into accepting your terms as a master slave (KSA/UAE - Pakistan) relationship; there are bound to be repercussions. They should learn how US vilified Pakistan and sent it screaming into China's camp (for the best).

If arabs keep treating Pakistan like a slave captured in a war; it will be forced to take sides with Iran sooner or later; its diplomatic issues with Iran notwithstanding. Pakistan had fun watching US interests go up in flame in the region just by waiting it out. 10 points to the arabs if they understand the seriousness of the matter quickly. No amount of money can "buy" respect. These rich sheikhs are used to throwing money at problems.

Pakistan will not take sides, and Saudis are learning the hard way that the US will not be there for them. It's becoming more and more apparent by the day.

Although I will tell you Saudi regime is not gonna learn from their mistakes. Everyone was shocked when they enforced blockade on Qatar and put MB on terrorist list among other things. At a time where they need allies. So I have no idea who is producing assessments for MBS because he is delusional and not in a strong standing in the region.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Pakistan will not take sides, and Saudis are learning the hard way that the US will not be there for them. It's becoming more and more apparent by the day.

Time will tell.

Although I will tell you Saudi regime is not gonna learn from their mistakes. Everyone was shocked when they enforced blockade on Qatar and put MB on terrorist list among other things. At a time where they need allies. So I have no idea who is producing assessments for MBS because he is delusional and not in a strong standing in the region.

US is there just for the oil. A dead king is not their problem.

 

[zartosht]

Saudis need to learn that war has consequences. and its not a 1 way street of bombing destutite people with impunity.

This entire war is based on the hurt ego and pride of a bunch of spoiled little Saudi princesses...

millions of Yemenis are suffering a famine to stroke the ego of a fat entitled monkey faced rat. The creators of Viagra also share some blame in this...….

This is just 1/1000th of a payback.... Billions of dollars of damage, and complete humiliation for the Saudi princesses.. how can you not love this? beautiful.

Yemen needs many more attacks like this. the more Saudi oil facility they take out, the less cash the Saudis have to prop up the American war industry and slaughter destitute muslims….