DRDO to be part of Future Ready Combat Vehicle project: Army

[Arsalan]

you are right on target bro but this time it wont take years as we dont have that luxury anymore

what i said in last part was indian tank making facility was making vijyanta tanks , T-55, 72 & 90 under TOT for long and when IA found Arjun MK1 too heavt DRDO guys quicklii made a prototype tank called TANK EX/Karna which was made on a chassis of T72 with Arjun's turret and other nightvision/electronick war fare equipment but IA yet again shot it down as they were "not satisfied" with it but gave clearence to T90 when it failed some very crucial parameteres by lowering the requirements

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So you think it was merely the money issues (corruption) that was responsible to canceling this EX in favor of T-90 or there were some technological short comings?

 

[GURU DUTT]

So you think it was merely the money issues (corruption) that was responsible to canceling this EX in favor of T-90 or there were some technological short comings?

yes we have all the tech and infra to make arjuns in huge numbers or tank ex

 

[Arsalan]

yes we have all the tech and infra to make arjuns in huge numbers or tank ex

Well that you do man, i was asking that do you think that the Arjun and that EX was canceled in favor of T-90 due to corruptions issues alone or there were some technical issues as well? any information or insight into that?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Well that you do man, i was asking that do you think that the Arjun and that EX was canceled in favor of T-90 due to corruptions issues alone or there were some technical issues as well? any information or insight into that?

tank EX was a prototype which was not even tested fully on all parameteres set by indian army yes there would have been some teathing problems but that could have been solved very easily in house

 

[Arsalan]

tank EX was a prototype which was not even tested fully on all parameteres set by indian army yes there would have been some teathing problems but that could have been solved very easily in house

hmmm so that means that this FRCV,will most likely to be the same EX since it was technologically very advanced and any minor issues can be addressed and the gov. is keeping strong check on corruption. That is good news for Indian really, will save lot of $$$ that would be wasted importing an inferior system. If EX still fails then either the tank was not on par with standards or the Gov have failed to address the corruption issues. As said, we will get to know in a couple of years once the winner is finalized. I hope it is this same technologically advanced EX Tank for India's sake.

Best of luck with the project. Was nice discussing all this with you!

 

[Argon Prime]

hmmm so that means that this FRCV,will most likely to be the same EX since it was technologically very advanced and any minor issues can be addressed and the gov. is keeping strong check on corruption. That is good news for Indian really, will save lot of $$$ that would be wasted importing an inferior system. If EX still fails then either the tank was not on par with standards or the Gov have failed to address the corruption issues. As said, we will get to know in a couple of years once the winner is finalized. I hope it is this same technologically advanced EX Tank for India's sake.

Best of luck with the project. Was nice discussing all this with you!

I do not think the Ex is gonna get a shot at this FRCV thingee.The army didn't show any interests 7 years ago on the basis of its 'technological obsolescence' ,so there is simply no reason to believe that they are gonna accept it or even bother to consider putting it to the competition this time.And in any case,it was a deep upgrade proposal of the T72M1s and was never intended to be an alternative to the T 90S,simply because army had already been committed to the 90 with a total order of more than 1400 systems by then.So it would be factually wrong to assume the Tank Ex was meant to be an alternative to the T 90S.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

To put it simple, from the posts here and on countless other threads, i understand that the Arjun was failed because even though it is of far superior tech but induction these was not going to pay of the Indian army generals in commission. So now with gov acting to put an end to this corruption, i guess it will make sense if India finally goes ahead with the Arjun project instead of looking for relatively inferior or equally capable tech from export market.

anyway,, maati paao yaar, i guess things will clear up once it is finalized in a few years.

, if the ModiFIED India has purified itself then the more relevant step should be to remove those curropt generals from their positions otherwise no matter whatever action Yoga loving , Bhajan singing, vegi burger munching Indians will take... those responsible for the failure of these projects will yet again see to it that the spotless dhoti of current government which is more Mahan and awesome than Pirthuvi Raj gets a lot of spots

its the matter of kutay are still in the well. no matter how much water you drain out... the well is going to smell unless the carcases are not removed.

@GURU DUTT g... please forgive me if I have missed out the punishment of current Indian generals.. do direct me to that news. but Arsalan is right.. if all is puviter now then what is preventing from giving a new life to Arjun project?

 

[Argon Prime]

, if the ModiFIED India has purified itself then the more relevant step should be to remove those curropt generals from their positions otherwise no matter whatever action Yoga loving , Bhajan singing, vegi burger munching Indians will take... those responsible for the failure of these projects will yet again see to it that the spotless dhoti of current government which is more Mahan and awesome than Pirthuvi Raj gets a lot of spots

its the matter of kutay are still in the well. no matter how much water you drain out... the well is going to smell unless the carcases are not removed.

@GURU DUTT g... please forgive me if I have missed out the punishment of current Indian generals.. do direct me to that news. but Arsalan is right.. if all is puviter now then what is preventing from giving a new life to Arjun project?

Correctly said and I do see where you are getting at with this.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Correctly said and I do see where you are getting at with this.

we have two recent and one old example i can remember. one naval officer was recalled back from USA and two recently were demoted and punished by army for kickbacks and corruption. cover up and lack of punishment doesnt send correct signal and very good initiatives get shut down.

 

[Argon Prime]

we have two recent and one old example i can remember. one naval officer was recalled back from USA and two recently were demoted and punished by army for kickbacks and corruption. cover up and lack of punishment doesnt send correct signal and very good initiatives get shut down.

Exactly.The office of the DGMF of the Indian Army is the single most biggest source of corruption in the forces and until those corrupt aholes are dealt with,the situation wrt local weapon projects wouldn't even start to change.Unfortunately,nothing concrete has been done to bring those men to justice.

 

[GURU DUTT]

, if the ModiFIED India has purified itself then the more relevant step should be to remove those curropt generals from their positions otherwise no matter whatever action Yoga loving , Bhajan singing, vegi burger munching Indians will take... those responsible for the failure of these projects will yet again see to it that the spotless dhoti of current government which is more Mahan and awesome than Pirthuvi Raj gets a lot of spots

its the matter of kutay are still in the well. no matter how much water you drain out... the well is going to smell unless the carcases are not removed.

@GURU DUTT g... please forgive me if I have missed out the punishment of current Indian generals.. do direct me to that news. but Arsalan is right.. if all is puviter now then what is preventing from giving a new life to Arjun project?

salaam saeen ji the corrupt prctices of people who are in a position to take such decissions aint going anywhere in newar future also as NaMo or MP my be very clean but system they live in is far from corruption less

it will take some time to do that

just look at barak 1 missile deal and its makers IAI as they dint budge to corruption ( on the ammount asked from them by UPA to clear the Barak sam deal) IAI was blacklisted for almost entire duration of UPA 1 &2 was in power but when things started looking like UPA cant come back ban on IAI was lifted altogether and orignal deal was approoved

i can give you many such examples

even the EX army chief of india General Malik tried to change the system but was hounded for trivial matters both by elements in indian army & MOD & PMO under UPA alike .... what chnaged ?

same is the case with arjun or LCA project which were dragged till they could which were initalli put on high priority by ABVs goverment

so its the system which now NaMo & MP are trying to change it wont be as easy as it seems but lets wait and watch

 

[Water Car Engineer]

hmmm so that means that this FRCV,will most likely to be the same EX since it was technologically very advanced and any minor issues can be addressed and the gov. is keeping strong check on corruption. That is good news for Indian really, will save lot of $$$ that would be wasted importing an inferior system. If EX still fails then either the tank was not on par with standards or the Gov have failed to address the corruption issues. As said, we will get to know in a couple of years once the winner is finalized. I hope it is this same technologically advanced EX Tank for India's sake.

Best of luck with the project. Was nice discussing all this with you!

Tank EX is gone and completely irrelevant to this. It was a way to upgrade the T72s.

FRCV is a completely new platform.

DRDO is working on the FMBT platform.

This whole thing needs clarification at the moment.

All we know right now is that TATA Motors responded to this recent RFI. DRDO may have some role. Wait and see.

 

[Perpendicular]

So they want a single chasis vehicle which can be used as a base for different systems.
Too complex by the looks of it.
It would be in a medium tank category but should match firepower and protection which equals to a modern tank, now that's going to be one hell of a technology jump.
Or it has failed before it started to make a case for Armata.

 

[Indian Patriot]

So you think it was merely the money issues (corruption) that was responsible to canceling this EX in favor of T-90 or there were some technological short comings?

Why are you taunting the kids? It is obvious to any educated person that the T-90 is far superior to Tank-Ex and that is the reason why the DRDO gets rejected. Because in comparison to superior western design and efficiency DRDO is nowhere to be seen. All this talk about kick backs is just horse .....

 

[Arsalan]

Why are you taunting the kids? It is obvious to any educated person that the T-90 is far superior to Tank-Ex and that is the reason why the DRDO gets rejected. Because in comparison to superior western design and efficiency DRDO is nowhere to be seen. All this talk about kick backs is just horse .....

NO NO dear, i am not taunting, was just asking.

There is a common belief with in members from India on this forum that the DRDO product was in fact superior to what Indian Army eventually can get from any where in the market. The only reason for going for imported stuff is the corruption, the kick backs and omissions involved so that is why i asked the question. The confusion was that as per the other claim, if the corruption have been uprooted or even if the new modi gov. is doing that and cancellation of MMRCA and new multi caliber assault rifle was all part of that drive, then it is sensible to assume that the FRCV will also be the same DRDO product that was initially being rejected only because of corruption. That said, there still are talks about an other imported platform. So this is all mixed up. All of these three claims CANNOT BE TRUE at the same time, i am just trying to figure out what actually is the truth here.

Now you are the first one to claim that the DRDO product was not far superior then the other options, in fact you are saying that it is inferior and that is why IA never chose it, this is new to me as far as claims from Indian members are concerned. We have a new theory now.