DRDO ready to deliver AEW&C to Air Force

[UKBengali]

But Sweden/Western countries have been building advanced radars for a much longer time than China. Also
their work standards & quality is better. See what I'm getting at?

So India in that case will never catch up with West ever then? That is the logical deduction of your argument.

Whether China can produce AWACs on par with the West currently will never be known but it is ahead of India we can be sure.

 

[Gessler]

Mate no one is saying that India is ahead of Sweden in this field (although it won't be long before that is true) but in this specific instances the Indian system IS (and by a clear margin) superior to the Swedish system. The Erieye radar first entered service in 1996, the Indian radar will enter service in 2014- an 18 year gap. This is HUGE in technological terms. Moore's law states that every 18 months processor speeds, or overall processing power for computers doubles. The system developed in the late 2000s is inherently likely to be that much superior to one produced in the late 1980s- simple as that.

Precisely. It's like saying an old CMDA Nokia is better than a new Oppo smartphone just because it comes from
a better brand with more experience...

That is certainly my belief...

Let's hope the IAF bite the bullet and go for the follow on order for 2-3 more of these machines.

We'll have total 5 Phalcons, 3 LSTARs, and 6-8 AWACS-India radars if everything goes according to plan.

But if AWACS-India doesn't get it on time, we'll get total 11 Phalcons instead.

 

[ni8mare]

Based on?

there is one link share by gessler you can refer to that

 

[UKBengali]

You're working off purely anecdotal evidence fuelled by your own pre-conceived hypothesis, there's very little to actually support your claims other than resorting to India bashing.

What is my anecdotal evidence?

Am I not right that Sweden has vastly more experience than India and is upgrading the Erieye as newer technology comes online? The Erieye of the 1990s is not the same as the one today.

 

[Gessler]

So India in that case will never catch up with West ever then? That is the logical deduction of your argument.

No, it is that of your's. Infact you didn't really get what I said. Read my reply to Abingdonboy.

I agree Erieye is more refined due to it's decade-plus of operation, and coming from a better brand than DRDO.

But that doesn't mean it is a more advanced radar - it is not.

 

[ni8mare]

No, it is that of your's. Infact you didn't really get what I said. Read my reply to Abingdonboy.

I agree Erieye is more refined due to it's decade-plus of operation, and coming from a better brand than DRDO.

But that doesn't mean it is a more advanced radar - it is not.

you post the pics here of the drdo awc&s it will be nice

 

[UKBengali]

No, it is that of your's. Infact you didn't really get what I said. Read my reply to Abingdonboy.

I agree Erieye is more refined due to it's decade-plus of operation, and coming from a better brand than DRDO.

But that doesn't mean it is a more advanced radar - it is not.

Carry on with this self-congratulation thread.

Sometimes I wonder at the level of education of Indians in PDF.

I am out of here so don't let me stop you trying to claim that India can make world-class AWACs at first attempt.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Precisely. It's like saying an old CMDA Nokia is better than a new Oppo smartphone just because it comes from
a better brand with more experience...



We'll have total 5 Phalcons, 3 LSTARs, and 6-8 AWACS-India radars if everything goes according to plan.

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But if AWACS-India doesn't get it on time, we'll get total 11 Phalcons instead.

The AWACS (India) project should quite easily be able to build on the knowledge from the LSTAR program and I don't see why it will not succeed...

Having said that 14-16 AWACS are not nearly enough for a country the size of India (yes the IN will be getting their own AWACS but they will be for their CBGs not for support over the mainland). IMHO the IAF should order more LSTARs (another 3-5 say) as these birds are great for tactical level support whereas the "big boys" (PHALCONs and later AWACS (INDIA)) are more capable and able to control at a strategic level.

 

[Gessler]

What is my anecdotal evidence?

Am I not right that Sweden has vastly more experience than India and is upgrading the Erieye as newer technology comes online? The Erieye of the 1990s is not the same as the one today.

Ok. Show me how it is more advanced and/or more capable in the overall than LSTAR ?

And please don't give me the experience BS. I know what you mean, and I agree Ericsson is more experienced
than DRDO. But in the field of electronics, a 1990s tech simply cannot be better or equal to 2010s tech.

A basic example is the power output - LSTAR's output is aroudn 248kW while the input rate of Erieye is just
around 50kW (don't know the output but it won't be much different than the absorbtion).

And Erieye is only being upgraded, not remade. You can't bring it up to par with 2010s systems with
just upgrades to boot.

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Sheeesh I can't believe how quickly the ego of a troll can ruin a nice discussion.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I am out of here so don't let me stop you trying to claim that India can make world-class AWACs at first attempt.

And why not? There are VERY few nations with the resources to pump into these kind of high-end R&D projects and coming later to the game does provide an inherent advantage (less need for trail and error, can build on others' work etc). On top of that India produces some very fine engineers and minds that can produce incredible results (many leading technology, engineering and pharma firms have major R&D centres in India, why?)

Just look at India's MOM mission- first nation in the world to get there on the first attempt- no doubt taking lessons from history and also showcasing the fact India has the capacity to leap frog technologies and compete right at the cutting edge.

 

[Gessler]

Carry on with this self-congratulation thread.

Sometimes I wonder at the level of education of Indians in PDF.

I am out of here so don't let me stop you trying to claim that India can make world-class AWACs at first attempt.

Here comes the great dean of Harvard to educate Indians.

I see you are too stuck-up to be repaired with knowledge.

The AWACS (India) project should quite easily be able to build on the knowledge from the LSTAR program and I don't see why it will not succeed...

Having said that 14-16 AWACS are not nearly enough for a country the size of India (yes the IN will be getting their own AWACS but they will be for their CBGs not for support over the mainland). IMHO the IAF should order more LSTARs (another 3-5 say) as these birds are great for tactical level support whereas the "big boys" (PHALCONs and later AWACS (INDIA)) are more capable and able to control at a strategic level.

I am of the belief that we shouldn't buy too much into beam radars. Our focus should be on static/rotodomes with
AESA arrays. Atleast that's what IAF's intentions look like. Such dome radars mounted on wide-body airliners with
wing-mounted engines will be perfect for the huge landmass & maritime territory/interest zone that is India.

Plus we'll be having a very extensive space-based comms & tracking network - so it's best to look to it that each
plane in our AWACS fleet offers the most than a hangar can accommodate. A massive fleet of 20+ beam radars
would have made sense if we built this atleast in the early 21st century.

This is why I think AWACS-India is a very crucial project.

 

[Genesis]

@Gessler

Regarding Chinese KJ-200, that was started sometime ago, late 90s and tested in mid 2000s, at that time our military was still pretty primitive. You can see it by still using a beam system.

I don't know the full specs of either and even if we did, how can we confirm they are secret.

But what we could conclude is that the Chinese Y-8 is significantly larger, the load is about the same weight as your entire aircraft, the range is double, the duration is more than double, because yours is faster.

So what we can conclude base on this is that the KJ-200 will be in the air longer, and can carry more equipment and staff.

Indian one is probably more modern, but with its limited space, only so much can be done.

I don't understand why India didn't use American's super Hercules for it, seems much better.

 

[ni8mare]

@Gessler

Regarding Chinese KJ-200, that was started sometime ago, late 90s and tested in mid 2000s, at that time our military was still pretty primitive. You can see it by still using a beam system.

I don't know the full specs of either and even if we did, how can we confirm they are secret.

But what we could conclude is that the Chinese Y-8 is significantly larger, the load is about the same weight as your entire aircraft, the range is double, the duration is more than double, because yours is faster.

So what we can conclude base on this is that the KJ-200 will be in the air longer, and can carry more equipment and staff.

Indian one is probably more modern, but with its limited space, only so much can be done.

I don't understand why India didn't use American's super Hercules for it, seems much better.

your right about space and endurance....but i differ in performance
china developed that at 2000 , we are making it after 2010 ......there is different in almost 10-12 yrs ....the electronics and processor are much faster and smaller than late 90s..so we have take that also in account

 

[Bratva]

Ok. Show me how it is more advanced and/or more capable in the overall than LSTAR ?

And please don't give me the experience BS. I know what you mean, and I agree Ericsson is more experienced
than DRDO. But in the field of electronics, a 1990s tech simply cannot be better or equal to 2010s tech.

A basic example is the power output - LSTAR's output is aroudn 248kW while the input rate of Erieye is just
around 50kW (don't know the output but it won't be much different than the absorbtion).

And Erieye is only being upgraded, not remade. You can't bring it up to par with 2010s systems with
just upgrades to boot.

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Sheeesh I can't believe how quickly the ego of a troll can ruin a nice discussion.

This is lot of horse manure you are spreading about PAF Erieye.

Complete technical specs of Erieye on this thread

Pakistan's Special mission aircrafts Information Pool


I'm waiting for the official technical specs on your So called super duper AEWC so we can prove it is really more advance than ERIEYE

the Erieye AEW&C mission system radar is an active, phased-array, pulse-doppler sensor that can feed an onboard operator architecture or downlink data (via an associated datalink subsystem) to a ground-based air defence network. The system employs a large aperture, dual-sided antenna array housed in a dorsal 'plank' fairing. The antenna is fixed, and the beam is electronically scanned, which provides for improved detection and significantly enhanced tracking performance compared with radar-dome antenna systems. Erieye detects and tracks air and sea targets out to the horizon, and sometimes beyond this due to anomalous propagation — instrumented range has been measured at 450 kilometres (280 mi). Typical detection range against fighter-sized targets is approximately 425 kilometres (264 mi), in a 150° broadside sector, both sides of the aircraft. Outside these sectors, performance is reduced in forward and aft directions.

Other system features include: Adaptive waveform generation (including digital, phase-coded pulse compression); Signal processing and target tracking; track while scan (TWS); low side lobe values (throughout the system's angular coverage); low- and medium-pulse repetition frequency operating modes; frequency agility; Air-to-air and sea surveillance modes; and target radar cross-section display.

The radar operates as a medium- to high-PRF pulse-Doppler, solid-state radar, in E/F-band (3 GHz), incorporating 192 two-way transmit/receive modules that combine to produce a pencil beam, steered as required within the operating 150° sector each side of the aircraft (one side at a time). It is understood that Erieye has some ability to detect aircraft in the 30° sectors fore and aft of the aircraft heading, but has no track capability in this sector


The Saab, Business Area Electronic Defence Systems (formerly Ericsson Microwave Systems and then Saab Microwave Systems) ERIEYE AEW & C radar is an active, phased-array, pulse-Doppler radar that can feed an onboard operator architecture or downlink data (via an associated datalink sub-system) to a ground-based air defence network. As such, it makes use of a large aperture, dual-sided antenna array that (according to Jane's sources) originally incorporated between 190 and 200 solid-state transceiver modules and is housed in a dorsally-mounted 'plank' fairing. Other system features include:adaptive waveform generation (believed to include digital, phase-coded pulse compression), signal processing and target trackingtrack-while-scanlow sidelobe values (throughout the system's angular coverage)low- and medium-pulse repetition frequency operating modesgraceful transceiver module degradationfrequency agilityair-to-air and sea surveillance modesa target radar cross-section display.In Swedish service, the baseline sensor is designated as the PS-890 and as applied to the Brazilian EMB-145SA (R-99A) platform, is reported as employing 192 transceiver modules and as being optimised for the detection of low-speed aerial targets such as drug running aircraft. Readers should also be aware that over time, ERIEYE has been progressively updated and that the following specification data should be taken as being representative if not otherwise specified. In this context, Saab, Business Area Electronic Defence Systems reported that as of April 2008, the latest ERIEYE configuration incorporated new generation, higher output transceiver modules; a new commercial-off-the-shelf mission system computer (understood to weight 53 per cent less than its predecessor, require 30 per cent less input power, have a footprint that was

 

[Bratva]

and provide some authentic link about Erieye 50 KW power claim !

And pray tell us how much your AEWC can scan as compare to Erieye 240 degrees or 300 degrees ?

NEW DELHI — India has received its the first homemade early warning and control (AEW&C) class of aircraft from Embraer, which will be equipped with homemade India gear and provided to the Indian Air Force.

of Brazil August 17 in Brazil. The AEW&C equipment , meant for use by the Indian Air Force is designed and developed by India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). of India. The aircraft will be delivered to the Indian Air Force this year itself after DRDO integrates integrating some additional systems. by DRDO. [WHO MADE WHAT??GCOK]

The homemade AEW&C equipment includes AESA (an active electronic scanning antenna and a , ) radar antenna developed by DRDO’s Bangalore-based laboratory, the Centre for Airborne Systems.

The primary systems and subsystems of the AEW&CS consist of radar, identification friend or foe interrogator, microwave data link, electronic support measures, operator display consoles with tactical software, and air-to-air voice and data channels.

In addition, it will have satellite communication links and search-and-rescue capabilities.

The system’s radar will have a normal detection range of 250 kilometers and an extended range of 375 kilometers.The system will provide 240 degrees (120 degrees on either side) of coverage that can be stretched to 300 degrees with some loss of range.
The three AEW&CS are scheduled to be inducted by 2014-2015.

“Remaining AEW&C aircraft are due to be delivered to the Indian Air Force as part of a contract signed in 2008 that includes a comprehensive package for training, technical support, spare parts, and ground support equipment. These aircraft, upon entry-into-service, will join four Embraer Legacy 600 jets — currently operated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) for the transportation of Indian government officials and foreign dignitaries — and a fifth Embraer Legacy 600 which belongs to the Border Security Force (BSF), under India’s Home Ministry,” says the official release of Embraer.

In 1999, DRDO’s AEW&CS program was suspended following the crash of the homegrown Indian Airborne Surveillance Platform during test trials.

Embraer Delivers Platform for Indian AEW&C Program | Defense News | defensenews.com



Now that's what we call an authentic news, not based on conjectures , BS personal claims as authentic claims , or My Diiick > Erieye Dick