DRDO claim on LCA export premature: Former top IAF officers

[acetophenol]

And they can, WHEN they have achieved something! But they haven't, in the case of LCA they are not even close to have achieved anything but delays, cost-overruns and development mismanagement and failures!
I want them to achieve something, deliver it to the needs of the country and then think about their share be it of pride or money!

I don't know about you mate,but a supersonic aircraft with FBW,HMDS,BVRAAMs,LGB,Composite construction etc sounds like an achievement for me.

 

[livingdead]

Anybody who trusts anything that DRDO says is complete moron. I would rather trust iranians about the time travel machine they built to kill abraham, than trust DRDO.

 

[MilSpec]

Why DRDO give comments on the export of LCA ??? while It is a project of HAL

It is not a project of HAL... it is an ADA project, which is part of DRDO

 

[acetophenol]

Anybody who trusts anything that DRDO says is complete moron. I would rather trust iranians about the time travel machine they built to kill abraham, than trust DRDO.

I would put 75% blame on the media bro,its not like DRDO calls a press meet and says "we will expotr lca" and other blah blah.
They say it as answer to questions of media guys during interviews,like "Sir,do you think LCA has export potential?",and the answer will be an obvious yes. The next day the headlines would be "DRDO to export LCA to mars!"

 

[Varunastra]

lol Pakistanis boasting so much about a fighter that was designed primarily by China with few Pakistani inputs ...... the correct comparison would be JF-17 vs SU-30 MKI .........ab karo compare !!

 

[cloud_9]

I think you should read the article again.....
DRDO is not bitching, IAF is bitching.....
DRDO just said that they are ready to export Tejas......not anything against IAF BUT the ex-IAF officers started bitching........LOL......this proves that there is something fishy......
Why would ex-officers start bitching, they have nothing to do with IAF now, unless they are feeling uneasy about what they had done during their tenure.....

DRDO said they are ready to export and IAF who has been waiting for the plane from the last 30 years said that these are unsubstantial claims as they are yet to receive any jet.


But somehow you end up accusing IAF of corruption and that they are just filling their pockets.Just to make it clear IAF is not looking for any foreign fighter in the LCA category and Tejas is no answer to MRCA.

 

[spectribution]

DRDO said they are ready to export and IAF who has been waiting for the plane from the last 30 years said that these are unsubstantial claims as they are yet to receive any jet.


But somehow you end up accusing IAF of corruption and that they are just filling their pockets.Just to make it clear IAF is not looking for any foreign fighter in the LCA category and Tejas is no answer to MRCA.

LCA's main purpose was to replace MiG 21. Today it has become so good that it is better in most ways than F 16 A/B, Gripen C/D, JF 17, etc. Comparable equivalent is F 16 C. That in it's own is a huge achievement.

If you induct a fighter that is not complete you will face 100s of problems. Look at JF 17, PAF has now decided to buy old F 16 A/B along with it. Induction has stopped after two squadrons only.

After IOC - II , we can safety say that it is combat ready. But it reach 100% of capability it will taking FOC and initial teething.

 

[GORKHALI]

Scientists develop radar to check infiltration - The Times of India


The important point here is, that it was fully developed by the time it was offered for export, the fact that IA didn't ordered it by then, just shows once again how bad they are wrt defence procurements, but that's another issue.
LCA - not fully developed yet, since it has several performance issue (no customer will buy a fighter with radar issues or a limited flight envelope, no matter if their requirements are low in general)
DRDO AWACS - not fully developed yet, since they are still in integration and testing of the radar array and the systems yet.
Rustom UAV - not fully developed yet
Astra missile - not fully developed yet
Sudarshan LGB - not fully developed yet
NAG, HELINA - not fully developed yet
MMR - not fully developed yet
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No country comes up with world beating at one go,it takes time and patience.
-There is no fault in LCA and am saying this with my personal experience.The only fault in LCA today is that IAF raised the bar so much that it expects everything from a 1st product itself. LCA MK1 can perform its primary role in very well manner but IAF want it to be multirole from day 1.Just look at the evolution of F16,it was initially a simple day fighter to today one of the highest no. of plane ever produced. The so called IAF official didn't make any noise when they crashed Su 30mki(Which is consider as one of the safest plane) and C130J. May God forbid,if tomorrow its LCA they will go berserk over MOD to cancel the program.
-NAG is Fully developed but IA wants to hit tanks at 4Km which in not possible at extreme heat(50-52C) as IR sensors not able to distinguish between tanks and a land at such extremes.But this is the story of NAG ATGM but what about Milan 2T and Mango,are they ?
-Helina is still very much a new missile but what about Israeli Spike LR,isn't that repeatedly failed in Pokaran tests.Does that dither IA to omit rafael from list?
-SudarshanLGB Won Initial LSP batch of 50.
-Astra is back on track with lots of firing in coming months and it seems IAF very much interested.
-MMR-I have no idea about it.
Rustom UAV- Rustom 1 is very much a technological demonstrator and IAF has shown its confidence in Rustom 2.
DRDO AWACS ? Hope you talking about AEW&C- Again they are suppose to handover 1st plane by october, but still no news about it.

 

[sancho]

I don't know about you mate,but a supersonic aircraft with FBW,HMDS,BVRAAMs,LGB,Composite construction etc sounds like an achievement for me.

How can Israeli HMS, missiles and LGBs be an achievement of DRDO?
Did they developed the MMR as they wanted? No
Did they developed the engine as they wanted? No
Did they managed the overall project in a useful way? No

I grant them good developments for FBW, composites, coatings and materials, but that hardly adds to 20 to 30% of the project. Especially since they failed in the above mentioned core developments, so they have made some minor achievements, while the overall project is delayed, has cost-overruns and doesn't meet the planned requirements of DRDO itself, nor those of IAF. So if you can justify all this, for just 20 to 30% achievements by DRDO, that's up to you of course, but I can't.

 

[spectribution]

How can Israeli HMS, missiles and LGBs be an achievement of DRDO?
Did they developed the MMR as they wanted? No
Did they developed the engine as they wanted? No
Did they managed the overall project in a useful way? No

I grant them good developments for FBW, composites, coatings and materials, but that hardly adds to 20 to 30% of the project. Especially since they failed in the above mentioned core developments, so they have made some minor achievements, while the overall project is delayed, has cost-overruns and doesn't meet the planned requirements of DRDO itself, nor those of IAF. So if you can justify all this, for just 20 to 30% achievements by DRDO, that's up to you of course, but I can't.

Really how would you sum up Gripen and JF 17? Both are outdated. By your metrics Tejas>Gripen C/D>JF 17
No plane can be 100% succesful if you're giving a first attempt. Check KAI T 50. They're far worse

 

[sancho]

No country comes up with world beating at one go,it takes time and patience.

Who says it needs to be world beating? Not me! But that's the problem, DRDO thinks they were worldclass and therefore promise anything, while delivering next to nothing. Get them back on earth again, let them evaluate their own capabilities in a more realistic way and let them focus on delivering what our forces needs and not to show off in the media.

-There is no fault in LCA and am saying this with my personal experience.

As it is widely reported, LCA is under performing in flight and radar performance and for both these issues, ADA/DRDO are trying to find solutions (more thrust in MK2 and a new nose with new materials and possibly a new design), so it's kind of moot to say that it has no faults.

The only fault in LCA today is that IAF raised the bar so much that it expects everything from a 1st product itself. LCA MK1 can perform its primary role in very well manner but IAF want it to be multirole from day 1.Just look at the evolution of F16,it was initially a simple day fighter to today one of the highest no. of plane ever produced.

That's not correct, without the radar working properly and the BVR missiles integrated and launched with radar guidance, LCA can't perform it's primary role of an interceptor. But the delays of the indigenous radar developments of DRDO, made THEM to integrate the HMS, LDP and LGB's far earlier than actually needed.
IAF requires a multi role fighter, which is nothing but logical in this day and age, but they don't require all weapons to be integrated from day one, but basic CAS weapons, dumb bombs and LGB's. And the F16 was not designed to be a multi role fighter, but later upgraded to it, so you can't compare the old standards with the common standards today.

The rest as I said, they promise much, but haven't delivered yet and all I want is, to see more work that leads to the delivery and less show off in the media or pointless air shows.

Really how would you sum up Gripen and JF 17?

The discussion is not about the fighter, but the fighter project and what DRDO has achieved within the project!

 

[Binu INDIAN]

Sports car made by Pakistani students to be unveiled today


And yes i claimed that LCA is not exportable yet..... didn't I?
Your officers have stamped my claim.

LOL its that a sports car. tell me do pakistan have any good local bike manufactures?

 

[FunkyGen]

LOL its that a sports car. tell me do pakistan have any good local bike manufactures?

hahahaha you're funny

 

[Binu INDIAN]

hahahaha you're funny

See why cant you answer my question and laugh

 

[FunkyGen]

See why cant you answer my question and laugh

But.... but i am laughing mate :_