DRDO claim on LCA export premature: Former top IAF officers

[gslv mk3]

Shahpur

Airframe is related to Falco.

 

[FunkyGen]

Airframe is related to Falco.

Well then I'm glad they improved upon it....
Btw you could've researched and said it was a copy of CH-3 or simply could've said it was supplied by Chinese like our cruise missiles and every thing else.....

 

[gslv mk3]

Well then I'm glad they improved upon it....
Btw you could've researched and said it was a copy of CH-3 or simply could've said it was supplied by Chinese like our cruise missiles and every thing else.....

I won't.I give credit where it is due (unlike many of your compatriots)

 

[FunkyGen]

I won't.I give credit where it is due (unlike many of your compatriots)

Ok

 

[acetophenol]

No they aren't they are showing the fact that it's just silly to claim LCA could be exported at this point, before it's even fully developed. The whole world knows that it has several performance issues and therefore anybody will wait till they are solved and the fighter went into operational service in the Indian forces to see what it really can do and how reliable is.
All DRDO shows is, that they are following only their own interests (exports = earning money) and not the interest of the defence of the country (delivering the fighters IAF needs for the safty of India and also their pilots, that kept flying in unsafe Migs for all the delayed years).

Previously also we've been able to deliver product to other nation before even our forces placed the orders. That has been the case with several other nations too. An export oriented manufacturing and development environment is needed in our country. LCA can fly day and night,can fire missiles and drop bombs,but its still not accepted by IAF because,our requirements are well beyond it. If LCA can satisfy the requirements of some other nations,which has less strict requirements than IAF,then whats the problem in DRDO looking LCA exports?

 

[FunkyGen]

Previously also we've been able to deliver product to other nation before even our forces placed the orders. That has been the case with several other nations too. An export oriented manufacturing and development environment is needed in our country. LCA can fly day and night,can fire missiles and drop bombs,but its still not accepted by IAF because,our requirements are well beyond it. If LCA can satisfy the requirements of some other nations,which has less strict requirements than IAF,then whats the problem in DRDO looking LCA exports?

I would like to know about your products that got exported so "hastily".... and links please.

 

[Zhukov]

I would like to know about your products that got exported so "hastily".... and links please.

Mushaq, Supar Mushaq, K8 Karakoram,

 

[sancho]

An export oriented manufacturing and development environment is needed in our country.

Not at all, that's even silly if we know that India itself is the biggest defence market in the next years. So we have to focus to deliver more suitable arms and techs for this market, while exporting to other countries should be a side benefit.
Take Dhruv as the perfect example, it is far more important to deliver it in numbers for the Indian forces, because we have a far bigger requirement, than any export country would have. Therefor focusing the Dhruv development on export markets would be silly, because most export countries don't need high altitude capabilities, Indian forces does.
So the development of Indian industries "must" be focused on the Indian market first and only secondary on exports!

LCA can fly day and night,can fire missiles and drop bombs,but its still not accepted by IAF because,our requirements are well beyond it. If LCA can satisfy the requirements of some other nations,which has less strict requirements than IAF,then whats the problem in DRDO looking LCA exports?[/quote]

I don't deny that IAF has higher requirements than other nations might have, but it was developed for the Indian forces, therefore the focus of the development and the production must be for Indian forces first and when we at least have started to provide our forces with credible numbers of fighters, we can think about exporting the product and the same applies to anything DRDO developed. It's insane that they show off thr EMB145 AWACS in Bahrain, for their own PR, while the development of the radar system is still not finished, while they can't contribute to Indian defence with it and I bet the whole deployment was even paid by the Indian tax payer!

If Prime Minister Modi really wants to CHANGE something big, start with DRDO please!!!

 

[acetophenol]

I would like to know about your products that got exported so "hastily".... and links please.

I would like to know about your products that got exported so "hastily".... and links please.

Not "Products",just a "Product".
Two BFSR-SR (Battle Field Surveilance Radar-Short Range) were delivered to Indonesia,before they were delivered to Indian Army.

"We delivered the two BFSR to Indonesia even before we started delivering the radar to the Army," Rao said.

BEL begins export of Radars to Indonesia & Sudan

Indonesia later ordered over 100 of these systems
BEL to export anti-infiltration radar to Indonesia - Economic Times

 

[sancho]

Not "Products",just a "Product".
Two BFSR-SR (Battle Field Surveilance Radar-Short Range) were delivered to Indonesia,before they were delivered to Indian Army.

BEL begins export of Radars to Indonesia & Sudan

BEL begins export of Radars to Indonesia & Sudan
Tuesday, February 8 2005

Scientists develop radar to check infiltration
Jul 4, 2002

Scientists develop radar to check infiltration - The Times of India


The important point here is, that it was fully developed by the time it was offered for export, the fact that IA didn't ordered it by then, just shows once again how bad they are wrt defence procurements, but that's another issue.
LCA - not fully developed yet, since it has several performance issue (no customer will buy a fighter with radar issues or a limited flight envelope, no matter if their requirements are low in general)
DRDO AWACS - not fully developed yet, since they are still in integration and testing of the radar array and the systems yet.
Rustom UAV - not fully developed yet
Astra missile - not fully developed yet
Sudarshan LGB - not fully developed yet
NAG, HELINA - not fully developed yet
MMR - not fully developed yet
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[oFFbEAT]

So Army,Airforce and Navy are corrupt only the guys at DRDO are saints....like that saint from Kerala

DRDO can bitch about IAF if they have a finished product and IAF's not buying it.This is the first time an organisation is accusing the buyer of not committing to their unfinished product

Even after 30 years there's nothing on the table other than brain farts

I think you should read the article again.....
DRDO is not bitching, IAF is bitching.....
DRDO just said that they are ready to export Tejas......not anything against IAF BUT the ex-IAF officers started bitching........LOL......this proves that there is something fishy......
Why would ex-officers start bitching, they have nothing to do with IAF now, unless they are feeling uneasy about what they had done during their tenure.....

 

[acetophenol]

Not at all, that's even silly if we know that India itself is the biggest defence market in the next years. So we have to focus to deliver more suitable arms and techs for this market, while exporting to other countries should be a side benefit.
Take Dhruv as the perfect example, it is far more important to deliver it in numbers for the Indian forces, because we have a far bigger requirement, than any export country would have. Therefor focusing the Dhruv development on export markets would be silly, because most export countries don't need high altitude capabilities, Indian forces does.
So the development of Indian industries "must" be focused on the Indian market first and only secondary on exports!

LCA can fly day and night,can fire missiles and drop bombs,but its still not accepted by IAF because,our requirements are well beyond it. If LCA can satisfy the requirements of some other nations,which has less strict requirements than IAF,then whats the problem in DRDO looking LCA exports?

I don't deny that IAF has higher requirements than other nations might have, but it was developed for the Indian forces, therefore the focus of the development and the production must be for Indian forces first and when we at least have started to provide our forces with credible numbers of fighters, we can think about exporting the product and the same applies to anything DRDO developed. It's insane that they show off thr EMB145 AWACS in Bahrain, for their own PR, while the development of the radar system is still not finished, while they can't contribute to Indian defence with it and I bet the whole deployment was even paid by the Indian tax payer!

If Prime Minister Modi really wants to CHANGE something big, start with DRDO please!!![/quote]
Sir,India is the largest importer of arms,and you want to change it by having our agencies delivering products to our force's standards,which is arguably among the strictest in the world. Fair enough. Whats equally fair is agencies like DRDO wanting their share of achievements through these exports. Its the fair right of DRDO to market and export their life's work. Most of their products are good enough to satisfy requirements of forces around the world,but aren't seeing light just because they are not good enough for our forces and also some in our forces are in a love affair with "videsi maal"

 

[sancho]

Whats equally fair is agencies like DRDO wanting their share of achievements through these exports.

And they can, WHEN they have achieved something! But they haven't, in the case of LCA they are not even close to have achieved anything but delays, cost-overruns and development mismanagement and failures!
I want them to achieve something, deliver it to the needs of the country and then think about their share be it of pride or money!

 

[acetophenol]

Scientists develop radar to check infiltration - The Times of India


The important point here is, that it was fully developed by the time it was offered for export, the fact that IA didn't ordered it by then, just shows once again how bad they are wrt defence procurements, but that's another issue.
LCA - not fully developed yet, since it has several performance issue (no customer will buy a fighter with radar issues or a limited flight envelope, no matter if their requirements are low in general)
DRDO AWACS - not fully developed yet, since they are still in integration and testing of the radar array and the systems yet.
Rustom UAV - not fully developed yet
Astra missile - not fully developed yet
Sudarshan LGB - not fully developed yet
NAG, HELINA - not fully developed yet
MMR - not fully developed yet
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...
...

No mate,the BFSR s were still "under development",Army has asked for Medium Ranged vehicle mounted version,which they developed and delivered later.

 

[oFFbEAT]

WTF are you talking about, kid? Don't spew nonsense out here.

It's beyond your comprehension, son...........go play outside with others kids.....