DRDO 155mm/52cal Artillery Program (ATAGS)

[Water Car Engineer]

My problem is that trying out new concept is all good when your current situation is not bad. Otherwise it is like digging well for water after one's beard is on fire. Now the situation is kind of circular, no orders hence no pvt firms. No pvt firms hence no order. I mean, do we even allow pvt firms to do R&D on guns and ammunition? I think our babus will get heart attack if they come to know that some pvt companies are experimenting with guns and ammunition. I think govt should break this cycle instead of continuing status-quo. IMO, based on India's conflict scenario, current specs OK if delivered in next some years, otherwise it will be outdated which will result in the same bad cycle of changing spec and further delay. But your point is right, it is definitely modern (provided systems are delivered on time), not futuristic. Another point is, what is DRDO experience in arty system vis-a-vis pvt companies? This is first project for even DRDO. Looking at the specs, can't pvt companies buy 1970s technology and digitize them locally?? I work for one of the contenders of this project and anecdotally know one successful project our company worked directly with end customer. Whole point is, DRDO is not accountable, while pvt players are. That makes all the difference. Either manage DRDO like pvt firm (which is not possible) or take them out of the scene when not required. Like MKU, a good example how you can one buy moderately outdated/even new tech and then innovate and improve to come up with a very competitive product.

I think what the private companies are doing right now is fine. As in they're grabbing tech from varies players. TATA is grabbing from South African Denel. L&T is grabbing from S. Korea, etc. Bharat Forge bought out a whole factory in Europe and is collaborating with companies like Mandus group in America. And they also might get this design from ARDE/DRDO. Them getting orders and simply being manufacturers of these artillery pieces is a step in the right direction. Before they werent even in the tender process. Getting these orders first will build confidence so they can put in serious R&D. Until then, these PPP arrangements are more than welcome, instead of throwing everything to OFB, etc. Which for the last 50 years or so never put in serious work in r&d, because they never needed to.

 

[jarves]

@Omega007 No need to get abusive man.Please edit your posts.

 

[Echo_419]

Destined to end up just like the LCA, Arjun etc, meanwhile the indians will remain short of Arty guns.

Thank you for your in depth Analysis

 

[sudhir007]

what happened to Bharat-52 by Bharat force

:: Artillery Systems ::

 

[Malik Alashter]

Hi, guys how about Dhanush.

is the Indian army will induct it in the same deal or that deal with a foriegner company.

 

[HariPrasad]

Destined to end up just like the LCA, Arjun etc, meanwhile the indians will remain short of Arty guns.

Wishful thinking to take consolation.

 

[jarves]

Hi, guys how about Dhanush.

is the Indian army will induct it in the same deal or that deal with a foriegner company.

About 400 Dhanush will be inducted.That foreign deal was for Mounted artillery whereas Dhanus is a towed artillery.

 

[Kinetic]

Destined to end up just like the LCA, Arjun etc, meanwhile the indians will remain short of Arty guns.

I am enlightened that they are not ended up like MBT-2000 or FC-1 in green paint!!!

 

[turkish]

Hope it doesn't prove to be another failure

You should exactly hope that!! Why are being so kind???

 

[Water Car Engineer]

155 mm/52 Calibre Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System
The aim of the project is to design and develop state-of-the-art 155m/52 Cal Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) for artillery of Indian Army. Detailed system engineering has been carried out considering advanced features enumerated in draft PSQR. The sub-system level design, documentation and review of the gun structure, automation and control system have been completed. Predictive ballistic solutions have been worked out and design and review of all components of ordnance and recoil system have been completed. Manufacturing contract for gun barrel has been placed. Other hardware sub-systems are under realisation. Industrial interaction workshop was held for identification of major potential industries in the nation for efficient manufacture of the gun systems to meet the system requirements.

http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/...mpse-ebook.pdf

 

[amardeep mishra]

@Zarvan
DRDO's ATAGS is in final stages of development.Here are couple of pics taken from DRDO's official video during def expo-2016.
Kindly Note that this is NOT the same as OFB's Dhanush arty gun that is based on bofors.ATAGS is an indigenous development from DRDO.DRDO's paper claims a range of 50-55kms

 

[ni8mare]

 

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@Zarvan
DRDO's ATAGS is in final stages of development.Here are couple of pics taken from DRDO's official video during def expo-2016.
Kindly Note that this is NOT the same as OFB's Dhanush arty gun that is based on bofors.ATAGS is an indigenous development from DRDO.DRDO's paper claims a range of 50-55kms

First pic looks like a crude gun,is it the final design or they are testing only the barrel?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Bharat Forge is confirmed to be the lead integrator of ATAGS

TATA Power SED is also another industrial partner

What's bizarre is that Bharat Forge might be managing up to 3 different types of 155mm/52cal towed guns.

They're running in the towed 155mm/52cal program, they're pitching Elbits Athos.

And they have their own Bharat 52, which they bought rights to, upgraded, and moved production to India.

Hypothetically, if Bharat Forge wins the 155mm/52cal towed program, they're looking over 3 artillery pieces.

You can bet they'll be trying to export these.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Bharat Forge is confirmed to be the lead integrator of ATAGS

TATA Power SED is also another industrial partner

What's bizarre is tht Bharat Forge might be managing up to 3 different types of 155mm/52cal towed guns.

They're running in the towed 155mm/52cal program, they're pitching Elbits Athos.

And they have their own Bharat 52, which they bought rights to, upgraded, and moved production to India.

Hypothetically, if Bharat Forge wins the 155mm/52cal towed program, they're looking over 3 artillery pieces.

You can bet they'll be trying to export these.

Sir the programs for towed artillery
1. Dhanush
2. Upgradation of older guns
3. ATAGS
4. M777

Sir all the above are fixed.

Do you mean there is another 155/52 program where they are pitching Elbit Athos?

http://defense-update.com/products/a/athos.htm
Says Elbit Athos was tested here way back in 2003.

What is the program about? Means how many guns and who are the other contenders. ?