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Dragon’s teeth
By Irfan Husain
Saturday, 02 Jan, 2010

IN the ancient Greek myth, when Jason and the Argonauts are on their quest to find the golden fleece, one of the more terrifying dangers they face comes from the ‘dragon’s teeth’.

These objects, when planted in the ground, cause fierce warriors called spertoi to spring forth.

I was reminded of this bit of Greek mythology as I was reading Imtiaz Gul’s extremely well-researched book The Al Qaeda Connection. The author meticulously lists all the various extremist outfits that kill under the banner of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), as well as other equally lethal groups who slaughter the innocent in the name of Islam. He also gives us thumbnail sketches of various warlords who run these gangs.

Ploughing through these details, I wondered how this hydra-headed monster — to bring in another Greek legend — could ever be laid to rest. The reality is that as soon as one of these killers is eliminated, more spring forward to replace them. After Baitullah Mehsud, the vicious leader of the TTP, was finally killed in a drone attack, many Pakistanis breathed a sigh of relief. But almost immediately, Hakeemullah Mehsud took over, and has been directing a ferocious and unending series of suicide attacks across the country.

The latest atrocity on Ashura in Karachi that killed a number of Shia mourners shows that it is impossible to stop such attacks aimed at soft targets. A procession of tens of thousands, passing through miles of densely populated city blocks, simply cannot be safeguarded against determined suicide bombers.

The TTP was quick to claim responsibility for the Karachi attack, as it has done for a number of others. The question of who is funding these killers remains a mystery, although Imtiaz Gul has tried to unravel it in his book. While Saudi funding of extremist groups like the virulently anti-Shia SSP was an open secret, apparently direct government financing from Riyadh ceased after 9/11. However, Gul cites anecdotal evidence to suggest that this money has not completely dried up.

In one example, he follows the indoctrination of a young would-be suicide bomber called Mansoor Khan Dawar of Hurmaz, a small village in North Waziristan. Gul quotes Dawar talking of his training under Abu Nasir al-Qahtani:

“When I met al-Qahtani, he soon impressed me by his thoughts on Islam and America and I decided to become a suicide bomber.… I completed my training in the mountains in 20 days. Most of the time we were either training or praying, and the speeches by al-Qahtani were very emotional and motivating. Our instructors would show videos of atrocities on Muslims, and also teach us verses of the Holy Quran and hadiths against the infidels.…”

Allowed to visit his parents before his final mission, Dawar was engaged by his father, mercifully an educated man, on the jihad being waged by the extremists. He asked his son why these militants didn’t target Arabs, and whether suicide bombing was in line with the Islamic Sharia. Finally, Dawar’s father said he would not block his son’s suicidal path if he received satisfactory replies to these questions from his mentors.

Dawar posed these questions to a local teacher who passed them on to al-Qahtani over the phone. As cited by Gul, the Arab replied: “We receive funds from Arab countries, therefore we cannot carry out any attack there, and if we commit any wrong there, they will stop supply of funds to us. But jihad in Pakistan and Afghanistan is lawful and even the Saudis believe so.”

Disturbed by these self-serving replies, Dawar managed to escape the clutches of these extremists through an agreement brokered by the local teacher. But he is an exception: the vast majority believe that they will achieve instant entry into heaven populated by beautiful virgins. According to one gullible bomber who failed in his mission and was captured alive, his mentor had told him that pulling the trigger on his suicide vest was like punching the button that would ignite the rocket that would carry him straight to paradise.

When Pakistani troops captured a TTP stronghold in South Waziristan recently, they came across a wall with paintings of scenes from heaven; one panel bore images of nude women. It seems these images were used in the brainwashing of impressionable, madressah-educated young men.

In an interesting section about the sources of funding this war, Gul cites a number of Pakistan government initiatives aimed at developing Fata. Apparently, warlords have received millions of rupees by way of diverted public funds. In addition, the late Baitullah Mehsud was given Rs50m to release 280 soldiers captured by him in August 2007. It seems that much of the money provided by taxpayers to develop the tribal areas is being used to slaughter the same Pakistani citizens.

The ISI connection to these killers has long attracted speculation and universal criticism. But Gul quotes both Gen Kayani who headed the ISI for some time during Musharraf’s rule, and Gen Pasha, the present head of the agency, as stoutly denying any ISI involvement. He cites Gen Pasha as declaring: “We would obviously like to fix these rogues. They are killing our own people, and are certainly not friends of this country.”

For many years, the Pakistani establishment has drawn a line between the ‘good Taliban’ and the bad guys. The former are the ones who are battling western forces in Afghanistan, while the latter are the terrorists who have killed and maimed thousands of Pakistanis. But to the rest of the world, this distinction is meaningless: they are all seen as murderous extremists who are waging jihad to impose their Stone-Age values and rules on the rest of us.

For all the talk of negotiations and deals, the fact is that these hardened killers want nothing short of a total victory. They have always used talks as a means of gaining respite, and used the time to rearm and regroup.

But this article is not a message of despair. These extremists can be defeated, provided we are willing to take the tough political decisions needed. These include a thorough reform of the madressahs that churn out the foot soldiers and the suicide bombers. Thus far, both Musharraf and Asif Zardari have failed to take the bull by the horns. Until this is done, the dragon’s teeth sown by Gen Zia will keep on multiplying.

irfan.husain@gmail.com
 
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I think we have made something clear a few times. It is doubtful that when helping TTP, that RAW show themselves are indians. Since it is a covert operation, they probably show themselves as arabs or other extremists. You remember a member from Purohit's group (maybe Purohit himself?) trying to learn arabic to pose as an arab extremist and then go to Afghanistan. I clearly remember reading that in an article not too long ago. And moreover, it's just about money. Getting these weapons and ammo and in that much quantity is really hard in black market. They need help either from some corporation or from state to procure these weapons.
 
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I think we have made something clear a few times. It is doubtful that when helping TTP, that RAW show themselves are indians. Since it is a covert operation, they probably show themselves as arabs or other extremists. .

Obviously. But they ain't stop propagating.

KIT Over
 
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Getting these weapons and ammo and in that much quantity is really hard in black market. They need help either from some corporation or from state to procure these weapons.

You mean IA issued the ammo from ordnance depots (because those quantities cannot be procured from black market as you say) Are you still having the new year hangover or you are generally that disoriented?? :agree:

And moreover, it's just about money.
Do you mean it's NOT just about money?? (read carefully before you post, man! Otherwise one of these days you are going to end up posting Hindostan Zindabad :P)

You remember a member from Purohit's group (maybe Purohit himself?) trying to learn arabic to pose as an arab extremist and then go to Afghanistan. I clearly remember reading that in an article not too long ago.
What's wrong with Arabic? The Prophet (PBUH) used that language to give out the Holy Book, ALL OVER THE WORLD people pray in that language five times a day. What's wrong with somebody learning it? Girish Chandra Sen, A Brahmo Samaj member translated the Qur'an in Bangla around the 1900s. If it were a century later, you would have suspected him to be a Hindu terrorist :azn:

I think we have made something clear a few times. It is doubtful that when helping TTP, that RAW show themselves are indians. Since it is a covert operation, they probably show themselves as arabs or other extremists.

Yes that could be so. But RAW probably gives you an advance copy of all of this diabolical plot, so it is easy for you to accuse them. Right? Buddy, What you are into matches pretty closely with Paranoia (Source: Wikipedia) Take care!
 
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You mean IA issued the ammo from ordnance depots (because those quantities cannot be procured from black market as you say)

Yes, ammo provided by india to TTP from it's production facilities. And take it easy with personal attacks. You can go to BR if you want to make personal attacks. You're not welcome here. I know you're throwing the bait, I will not fall for it.

Do you mean it's NOT just about money??

Yes.

What's wrong with Arabic? The Prophet (PBUH) used that language to give out the Holy Book, ALL OVER THE WORLD people pray in that language five times a day. What's wrong with somebody learning it? Girish Chandra Sen, A Brahmo Samaj member translated the Qur'an in Bangla around the 1900s. If it were a century later, you would have suspected him to be a Hindu terrorist :azn:
Oh dear me. I can't believe what I have just read. Ok let's assume for the second for some bizzare reason a hindu decides to learn arabic for whatever reason. It's more about how he intended to use his knowledge of arabic which was stated clearly in that article.

Yes that could be so. But RAW probably gives you an advance copy of all of this diabolical plot, so it is easy for you to accuse them. Right?

It's common sense dude. It's a covert operation and you have to keep your identity a secret. If they released their identities then ISI will be having a field day catching these guys. Try to think critically and logically for a second to realize these things about covert operations before going on a personal attack rampage.
 
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While we are pointing at common sense, it is more commonsense to see that the terrorists that ISI uses (by arming them, providing them training and funnel funds by US and/or Arab countries (just as the article in the initial post indicates) and for its 'strategic depth' in one country or other) may have gone rogue, and/or may have developed direct links with their original financiers and have decided to play by their plot rather than the middleman - ISI. As far as ammo is concerned, I am sure Pakistan has enough ammo floating in the black market to suffice for whatever violence is happening there.

If IA is providing official ammo from ordnance depots, where is the 'covertness' of the operation?? On the other hand, if ISI or GOP or anyone involved wants to set a red herring out in the media / public perception, All they have to do is fake some Indian ammo. and put it on display after one of those 'shoot off your mouth' Malik press conferences. More common sense?
 
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Getting these weapons and ammo and in that much quantity is really hard in black market. They need help either from some corporation or from state to procure these weapons.

Boss you can buy any weapon and ammo here in any quantity.Now do you think they need help either from some corporation or from state to procure these weapons. :devil:


 
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Do shop keepers make anti tank mines,rpg 9,NVG googles?etc dud this equipment is only state to state kinda thing reguarding barra they make ak 47 not m4s or nvgs or rpg 9s plus there is an operation in kyber agency and bara is out of limit for any civilians or terrorist(supported by RAW from kabul?).
Anyways none of you(indians)have or will accept the truth.
 
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India is funding, arming, training and even participating with the TTP.

Pakistan has made arrests of Indians in relation to all four accusations.
 
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India is funding, arming, training and even participating with the TTP.

Pakistan has made arrests of Indians in relation to all four accusations.

If so then why does Pakistani government not disclose everything in front of camera, at least photos of arrested Indians. Go to public with evidences. :lazy:

Till then all allegations from Pakistan are baseless:angry:.
 
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If so then why does Pakistani government not disclose everything in front of camera, at least photos of arrested Indians. Go to public with evidences. :lazy:

Till then all allegations from Pakistan are baseless:angry:.

Even if we do that the question is WILL YOU ACCEPT YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN TERRORISM?
 
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Even if we do that the question is WILL YOU ACCEPT YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN TERRORISM?

Do it asap.At least you will have an evidence to counter my statements. Also Pakistani Government can pressurize India through Intentional community.Pakistan will be in win win situation.:yahoo:

In such case who cares if INDIA accepts or not. But Pakistani government dont show a single evidence..why.......because they dont have a single one.:lol:
 
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If so then why does Pakistani government not disclose everything in front of camera, at least photos of arrested Indians. Go to public with evidences. :lazy:

Till then all allegations from Pakistan are baseless:angry:.
It already has

 
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"India is funding, arming, training and even participating with the TTP."

No it isn't.

You've provided nothing to the U.S. government that has swayed their thoughts on this matter. Nor have you done so for any of the other forty nations assembled in Afghanistan.

Were you correct that India is conducting terror operations against Pakistan from AFGHAN soil, India would be putting at risk all other nations in Afghanistan as well as all Afghan citizens.

Some guest of the afghan people. There are forty nations with their soldiers, NGOs, supra-national organizations, war correspondents, trade representatives, and many others in Afghanistan. Many do not like nor endorse America. Yet where are the articles and sightings of training camps and weapons depots?

There's an article here to begin this thread about TTP funding. Yet where in the article is India mentioned? Nonetheless, immediately this thread is twisted away from the author's contentions without even discussion of the merits surrounding KSA sourcing.

Nope.

India.

India gains nothing by fomenting rebellion and terror in Pakistan. It de-stabilizes your institutions and that's a decided Indian disadvantage. Further, India, even were it to seek such, can add little to what already is rampaging within your tribal lands. What might be added would come at great cost were India to be found complicit.

They would likely be ejected from Afghanistan and would lose all that they've heretofore attained by goodwill and diplomacy.

Of course, making such claims allows Pakistanis to justify the maintenence of sanctuary and the proxy support to the afghan taliban. Doing so, of course, ignores the stark correlation between the entry of these afghan taliban to your tribal areas in late 2001 and the beginnings of your own radicalized tribal populace.

"Good" taliban. "Bad" taliban. Pakistanis wish for the afghan people that which they can't bear themselves. There's no difference to the rest of mankind but when strategic depth is at stake Pakistanis can see all the difference in the world and find all the rationalizations necessary.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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