Draft MoU on Indo-Bangla Defence cooperation

[Nilgiri]

But today I am damn sure then walk into and even annex Dhaka who will cry?

We don't need to do it on the ground lol. What is needed to be annexed already has largely been done....using BD own polarisation to max effect.

But silver lining is that BD people can increase (and have increased) their investment rate to good level, they are improving their economy more than ever as result.

In strange way its testament to the need for minimum military spending and maximum civilian investment spending philosophy that entire region needs more.

Do masses really need to endlessly be involved in the affairs of the elite when they want to have their hunger fed, their job improved and better livelihood for their children? I personally think the further we remove ourselves from the complex of conflict/war in the region....take a deep breath and just listen and watch....there are many useful important lessons there....that need to take more space of the discussion.

Its why I am very disappointed in this subforum especially....genuine BD people have many useful things to say for all of us when they are not talking about 1971, India, Pakistan or that kind of stuff.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Do masses really need to endlessly be involved in the affairs of the elite when they want to have their hunger fed, their job improved and better livelihood for their children? I personally think the further we remove ourselves from the complex of conflict/war in the region....take a deep breath and just listen and watch....there are many useful important lessons there....that need to take more space of the discussion.

People's living in sub-continent will commit this blunder and will end up being ruled by Invaders.In one way Pakistan should be thankful to India,problems between both of them have pushed them to have a strong military.India should be thankful to China,enmity with her has Pushed India to prepare a strong Military.Otherwise think,no kashmir issue and only spending on Public.
In Hundred years these civilized Indians and Pakistanis have been raided by hordes from West.Think War on Terror started and both India and Pakistan without Strong Armies.
We should have strong spending on Public infrastructure but we shouldn't commit mistake,what kings in Delhi have been doing for long.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Qamrul Islam·

ভারতের সঙ্গে দেশ বিরোধী চুক্তি কোনো চুক্তি না করতে শেখ হাসিনাকে হুশিয়ার করলেন দেশনেত্রী জেম খালেদা জিয়া। এমন কিছু করা হলে রাজপথে নামার ঘোষণা দিলেন বিএনপি চেয়ারপারসন।
Agreements with India against the interests of Bangladesh must not be made, country's leader Khaleda Zia warns Hasina. If any such agreements are concluded, we will make our announcements in the Streets, stated the B.N.P Chairperson.

 

[bluesky]

Remember Farakka, Sheikh Mujib gave consent for farakka dam trial run and till to date Bangladesh paying price for act.

Note, Farakka is not a DAM, but a BARRAGE. I hope, although a brainless Mullah without an adequate knowledge of science and engineering, you will try to understand the difference between the two. India started the Farakka construction in 1961, when the Jamaatis were feverish to keep us under the control of west Pakistan. It was completed in 1975. Did Sk. Mujib have any leverage on India to stop its commission? But, since the Jamaati funds to their Mamata Didi has created a leverage, so these enemy of Muslims now can plead her to stop Farakka.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Note, Farakka is not a DAM, but a BARRAGE. I hope, although a brainless Mullah without an adequate knowledge of science and engineering, you will try to understand the difference between the two. India started the Farakka construction in 1961, when the Jamaatis were feverish to keep us under the control of west Pakistan. It was completed in 1975. Did Sk. Mujib have any leverage on India to stop its commission? But, since the Jamaati funds to their Mamata Didi has created a leverage, so these enemy of Muslims now can plead her to stop Farakka.

What is the difference between a dam, a weir and a barrage?
A weir is a barrier across the horizontal width of the river that alters the flow characteristics of the water and usually results in a change in the vertical height of the river level.an impervious barrier constructed across a river to raise the water level on the upstream side. The water is raised up to the required height and the water then flows over the weir. In a weir the water overflows the weir, but in a dam the water overflows through a special place called a spillway. Weirs have traditionally been used to create mill ponds. They are also used to prevent flooding, measure discharge, and help render a river navigable.

The crest of an overflow spillway on a large dam is often called a weir. Weirs can be built of wood, concrete or moraine material (rocks, gravel, boulders). Small weirs are used many times as one possible mitigation measure in large hydro power developments, along with fish ladders, fish stocking and substrate improvement because low weirs can improve fish recruitment, stabilize groundwater levels and lessen the effects of river regulation that often accompanies very large hydro projects. Small weirs usually have positive benefits on winter fish survival, increased biodiversity and the landscape aesthetics. However, they can also can result in increased sedimentation, changes in the fish community and can pose migration barriers.

"A barrage is a weir that has adjustable gates installed over top of it, to allow different water surface heights at different times. The water level is adjusted by operating the adjustable gates.
A dam is a high impervious barrier constructed across a river valley to form a deep storage reservoir. The surplus water is not allowed to flow over the dam, but it flows through the spillways provided at some level built into the dam."

Tantamount's to the same for Bangladesh. Please note that we are not debating on terminologies here,nor the differences between a Barrage and a Dam.
The main issue is the FLOW of water from a Upper Riparian Country to a Lower Riparian State, as per international rules, specifically formulated in cases of International common rivers.

Moreover,we are derailing from the main thread,these types of posts could be called as troll posts, and reported.There are dedicated threads for such issues, perhaps we could continue our debate in those relevant threads.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Wasn't that easy mate,if there were not any strong defences in place, then India wasn't in shape of attacking either,it took her a long time to travel from Agartala to Dhaka race course.
But today I am damn sure then walk into and even annex Dhaka who will cry?

170 Million armed Muslims of Bangladesh. Remember this is NOT 1971. Just let them try.

 

[Sine Nomine]

170 Million armed Muslims of Bangladesh. Remember this is NOT 1971. Just let them try.

Whom they have already divided strongly into political parties who have strong cult tendencies.Then different religious factions.
SHW by imposing one party rule is helping them a lot.

 

[bluesky]

Wasn't that easy mate,if there were not any strong defences in place, then India wasn't in shape of attacking either,it took her a long time to travel from Agartala to Dhaka race course.
But today I am damn sure then walk into and even annex Dhaka who will cry?

Please do not make a crocodile's tear for Dhaka. Better remember the 1965 war when the EBR troops thwarted an early morning advance by the IA troops to take over Lahore. With this background, at least we do not want the Punjabi Muslims to shed tear for Dhaka.

Better think of your Lahore when a treaty is signed between Dhaka and Delhi. A BD-India treaty is the prelude to a free action by IA troops in its western front in an eventuality. A Dhaka treaty relieves the IA troops from the anxiety in its eastern front and allows the IA troops to advance to Lahore.

Considering how stupidly they started 1965 war and how they forced us to take up arms in 1971, I do not believe that the short-sighted and short-tempered Pakistani Generals have any depth of knowledge on military strategy. If now, somehow, you understand it, then better cry for Lahore if there happens a BD-Delhi defense treaty. Anyway, our military is well aware of this possibility and certainly will not lend its support to such a treaty.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Please do not make a crocodile's tear for Dhaka. Better remember the 1965 war when the EBR troops thwarted an early morning advance by the IA troops to take over Lahore. With this background, at least we do not want the Punjabi Muslims to shed tear for Dhaka.

Better think of your Lahore when a treaty is signed between Dhaka and Delhi. A BD-India is the prelude to a free action by IA troops in its western front in an eventuality. A Dhaka treaty relieves the IA troops from the anxiety in its eastern front and allows the IA troops to advance to Lahore.

Considering how stupidly they started 1965 war and how they forced us to take up arms in 1971, I do not believe that the short-sighted and short-tempered Pakistani Generals have any depth of knowledge on military strategy. If now, somehow, you understand it, then better cry for Lahore if there happens a BD-Delhi defense treaty. Anyway, our military is well aware of this possibility and certainly will not lend its support to such a treaty.

LAMO India would be relived from eastern front once it signs a treaty with you guyshave you gone nuts @Nilgiri
Does your Army makes any kind of difference,your citizens are killed daily on border,on eve of your Independence day BSF intruded into your village,and you think signing a pact with you guys will somehow relive India from East.
And about 65 war kid,do you think there are all deployment of EBR battalions on front,Whatever battalion fought was part of much larger formation and that battalion too has mixed composition of men from all regions.
After reading your post I am thinking all the time after 1971,your glorious Army has stopped India from attacking Pakistan,neither our Million troops neither nukes made any difference

If now, somehow, you understand it, then better cry for Lahore if there happens a BD-Delhi defense treaty.

Then you will also sent to oblivion if a nuclear war happens.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Posting an old but relevant article, published in in TOI back in 2011.

Why Bangladesh should matter to us​

KANTI BAJPAI| Sep 17, 2011, 12.00 AM IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ile&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=referral

Most Indians have lost very little sleep over the fact that the prime minister`s visit to Bangladesh was a failure. Given the importance of Bangladesh to India`s well-being, we should have tossed and turned in our beds at what transpired in Dhaka. As it turns out, we slept quite well and continue to do so.

It would be easy enough to blame the prime minister and his team for the failure in Dhaka. Or to blame the chief minister of West Bengal who, bizarrely, at the last moment objected to the river-water agreement that was to be the centrepiece of the summit. However, the deeper cause of the failure in Dhaka is ignorance and public apathy.

We in India have failed to appreciate just how important Bangladesh is to our well-being. There are at least four reasons related to peace and development that make Bangladesh vital for us.

The first reason is that the security of the northeastern states, of eastern India, and of India more widely is affected by what Bangladesh does or does not do. If Dhaka does not cooperate with New Delhi, it is hard to see how India can rein in various insurgent groups that might find refuge in Bangladesh. If, in addition, India cannot get access to the northeast through Bangladesh — even if this only means economic access — it is hard to see how we can integrate those states with the heartland. And if Bangladesh does not remain a stable, open and tolerant country, we in India will have great difficulty in stopping Islamic extremists from flourishing there and from targeting our cities and towns.

The second reason we need to pay relations with Bangladesh much greater attention is that we share rivers with it. India and Bangladesh share over 40 rivers, and these rivers are vital for the livelihood of hundreds of millions of people in both countries. Bangladesh being the lower riparian state is in a weaker position on the use of these rivers. We in India should remember, though, that we are the lower riparian in relation to Bhutan, Nepal and China: if we fail to be sensible and fair over river-water sharing with Bangladesh, we could well find ourselves in an equally hopeless downriver position someday, especially with China.
If Bangladesh does not get enough water (or if it gets too much when the rivers are full), it will face catastrophe. Catastrophe in Bangladesh means instability in India`s northeast, West Bengal, and states further away. Inevitably, severe dislocations in Bangladesh mean refugee and migrant flows into India. Bangladeshis are coming to India anyway for various reasons, and this has already led to tremendous unease in the neighbouring states. Hydrologically-induced catastrophes would enlarge the problem massively.

There is another long-term catastrophe looming for both countries, and this is the third big reason to stay tuned to Bangladesh. India and Bangladesh are amongst the 12 countries that will be most severely affected by climate change. Bangladesh could lose up to 20% of its land as sea levels rise due to climate change. The ensuing turmoil in Bangladesh will inevitably be felt in neighbouring and distant parts of India. The two countries must therefore think about how to cooperate on conservation, alternative energy, and many other related aspects of environmental defence.

Finally, Bangladesh is crucial for India because it represents opportunities and lessons worth learning. In a globalising world where trade counts for so much, Bangladesh is one of our biggest trading partners. Given that it has been growing at over 5% per annum for the past decade and looks set to continue to grow, it is an economic asset. Bangladesh could sell us natural gas, and we could sell it hydropower. Bangladesh is also an exemplar. It’s rapidly rising literacy rates (especially amongst women), its steady reduction in birth rates (from a much higher starting point than India), and the tremendous advances it has made in basic health (including safe birthing and maternal care); all these put India to shame. If we were not so arrogant, we might learn something from our great neighbour to the east.
In short, Bangladesh matters. If only we could see.
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[TopCat]

And as I know cattle smuggling isn't a crime punishable by death,smuggling happens on INDO-PAK border but here BSF hasn't got trigger happy policy.

Not the scale of what we have in our border. We have more than 2 billion dollar of illegal trade going on across the border.
Cattle smuggling were done in industrial scale. But I am glad that our own cattle industry is thriving now.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

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[monitor]

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বিশেষ প্রতিনিধি

হঠাৎ করে জামায়াত নেতা মাওলানা সাঈদীর রিভিউ পিটিশন আপীল বিভাগের শুনানি তালিকায় আনা হয়েছে। আগামী কাল ৩ এপ্রিল (সোমবার) আপলি বিভাগের কার্যতালিকায় রয়েছে এই পিটিশন।

২০১২ সালের ফেব্রুয়ারি মাসে সাঈদীকে বিরুদ্ধে ফাঁসির আদেশ দেয় ট্রাইব্যুনাল। এরপর সাঈদীর আপিলের প্রেক্ষিতে হাইকোর্ট সাজা কমিয়ে যাবজ্জীবন করে। কিন্তু তারপর আবার সরকারের পক্ষ থেকে আপিল করা হয় সর্বোচ্চ সাজা চেয়ে।

সেই আপিলের রিভিউ পিটিশন এতদিন ঝুলে ছিল। হঠাৎ করে রোববার প্রধান বিচারপতি পরবর্তী দিনের তালিকায় পিটিশনটির শুনানি নিয়ে আসেন।

হুট করে এমনভাবে শুনানির আয়োজন থেকে অনেকের জোরালো সন্দেহ হচ্ছে, এটি উদ্দেশ্যমূলক কিনা। বিশেষ করে আগামী ৭ এপ্রিল প্রধানমন্ত্রী হাসিনার ভারত সফরের মাত্র তিন দিন আগে শুনানি শুরু করে দেশের জনগনের, বিশেষ করে ভারতের সাথে প্রতিরক্ষা চুক্তির বিরোধিতাকে ভিন্ন খাতে প্রবাহের চেষ্টা মনে করছেন অনেকে।

এই শুনানি শুরু করে কয়েকদিনের মধ্যে সাঈদীর বিরুদ্ধে নতুন করে কোনো রায় দেয়া হতে পারে। আর তাতে ভারতে হাসিনা কী চুক্তি স্বাক্ষর করে এলেন তা মিডিয়ার কাছে গৌণ হয়ে যাবে। ভারত তার স্বার্থ হাসিল করে নেবে অনেকটা আড়ালে থেকে।



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Now everything going to clear we are going to get any fair deal with India. We won't getting Teasta water treaty but going to sign military cooperation deal sacrificing our national interest.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Some BAL idiot recently somewhere was saying that only reason India exists today is because of mercy of Bangladesh.

Take the most idiot-level "nationalistic" pakistani you know in real life (like I did for Indian) and multiply that person by 100 times at least to get idea of what you dealing with in this rabid subforum.

Permanent frustration (from looking at reality) is not a kind burden for these people.

Don't you even have the slightest dignity as a decent human being,can't you understand that your incompetent post are despised by many? Why on earth are you so thick skinned Rhino, to keep on repeating such acts?

 

[Bilal9]

Don't you even have the slightest dignity as a decent human being,can't you understand that your incompetent post are despised by many? Why on earth are you so thick skinned Rhino, to keep on repeating such acts?

Bhai there is no point in responding to trolls, report the post and move on.