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Draft MoU on Indo-Bangla Defence cooperation
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And that is a supporting argument for india devouring Sikkim independence? Are these chetona generation that gullible? No wonder Hasina having field day submitting Bangladesh to india and feeding chetona and jongi dope to these people.
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India is growing the fastest in the world btwChina seem to be doing pretty well despite India being obsessively bootyblasted about them, I'll take their growth anyday
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http://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/defence-cooperation-indian-army-chief-arrives-march-30-1380010
Indian Army chief Gen Bipin Rawat arrives in Dhaka on March 30 on a two-day visit to discuss bilateral defence cooperation with top Bangladesh officials.
He would be visiting Dhaka ahead of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's tour of India next month when the two countries are expected to ink a comprehensive defence cooperation deal.
Gen Rawat will fly in from Kathmandu at the invitation of his Bangladesh counterpart Gen Abu Belal Muhammad Shafiul Huq.
Though diplomatic sources in Dhaka said this would be a return visit by the Indian army chief after Gen Belal's September 2015 tour of India, officials said the visit holds a special significance in the light of improving bilateral military cooperation.
According to diplomats, officials and foreign relations experts, the Indian army chief would travel to Dhaka apparently to firm up the defence deal expected to be signed on April 8 following the official talks between Hasina and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Hasina will visit India on April 7-10 when the two countries would also ink at least 30 agreements, Memorandum of Understandings (MoUs) and documents, heavily focused on development projects in the areas of connectivity, infrastructure and energy.
“We have so far finalised about 18-20 deals which can be signed anytime…we are expecting to complete finalising over 30 deals before the beginning of the PM's visit. We have around 50 proposed deals in hand,” said a foreign ministry official.
During his first visit to Bangladesh, Gen Rawat will call on President Abdul Hamid, PM Hasina and hold meetings with top officials of the armed forces to cement the defence relations with Bangladesh.
There had been regular exchange of high level bilateral visits by defence officials from both the countries in recent years.
Former Bangladesh Army chiefs Gen Moeen U Ahmed (retd), Gen Md Abdul Mubeen (retd) and Gen Iqbal Karim Bhuiyan (retd) visited India in February 2008, November 2011 and April 2013. Besides, the chiefs of Navy and Air Force, Border Guard Bangladesh and Bangladesh Coast Guard had been to India last year.
On the other hand, former Indian army chief Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag (retd) visited Bangladesh in June 2015 and former Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha came here in February last year.
Former Indian defence minister Manohar Parrikar made his first visit to Bangladesh on Nov 30-Dec 1 last year.
DEFENCE COOPERATION DEAL
Dhaka and New Delhi have agreed to sign an MoU on bilateral defence cooperation.
Wishing anonymity, a senior foreign ministry official said: “We are going to sign an MoU on defence cooperation with India on April 8… there is nothing contentious [in the deal] and no threat to our defence and sovereignty. It's not at all like the umbrella defence agreement which we signed with China.”
Ruling out rumours about the deal, he said Bangladesh and India already set a mechanism to cooperate in security and defense fields. The proposed MoU would help the two neighbours enhance cooperation to enable their forces to fight against terrorism and violent extremism, he added.
The official, who deals with the India-Bangladesh matters, said the armed forces of the two countries collaborate with each other in many areas, but there was no such bilateral deal. That's why the two countries were considering institutionalising the existing cooperation mechanism.
Asked about the salient features of the proposed defence deal, an Indian diplomat in New Delhi told to The Daily Star that agreements were expected on the lines of cross-border cooperation between the two countries' agencies. Any deal with respect to supply of defence equipment was highly unlikely.
He said the proposed defence deal was being prepared to the “comfort level” of Bangladesh and there would be no element in it which might not be suitable to Bangladesh's needs.
About Indian's offer of defence line-of-credit, the diplomat said his country made the offer purely to buy equipment needed for UN peacekeeping operations, anti-land mining vehicles, medical and disaster relief efforts and search and rescue operations etc.
He said New Delhi was ready to cooperate and collaborate with Bangladesh's defence forces to set up manufacturing and service centres for the common defence platforms that both countries possesses, like the Russian defence hardware.
Indian Army chief Gen Bipin Rawat arrives in Dhaka on March 30 on a two-day visit to discuss bilateral defence cooperation with top Bangladesh officials.
He would be visiting Dhaka ahead of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's tour of India next month when the two countries are expected to ink a comprehensive defence cooperation deal.
Gen Rawat will fly in from Kathmandu at the invitation of his Bangladesh counterpart Gen Abu Belal Muhammad Shafiul Huq.
Though diplomatic sources in Dhaka said this would be a return visit by the Indian army chief after Gen Belal's September 2015 tour of India, officials said the visit holds a special significance in the light of improving bilateral military cooperation.
According to diplomats, officials and foreign relations experts, the Indian army chief would travel to Dhaka apparently to firm up the defence deal expected to be signed on April 8 following the official talks between Hasina and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Hasina will visit India on April 7-10 when the two countries would also ink at least 30 agreements, Memorandum of Understandings (MoUs) and documents, heavily focused on development projects in the areas of connectivity, infrastructure and energy.
“We have so far finalised about 18-20 deals which can be signed anytime…we are expecting to complete finalising over 30 deals before the beginning of the PM's visit. We have around 50 proposed deals in hand,” said a foreign ministry official.
During his first visit to Bangladesh, Gen Rawat will call on President Abdul Hamid, PM Hasina and hold meetings with top officials of the armed forces to cement the defence relations with Bangladesh.
There had been regular exchange of high level bilateral visits by defence officials from both the countries in recent years.
Former Bangladesh Army chiefs Gen Moeen U Ahmed (retd), Gen Md Abdul Mubeen (retd) and Gen Iqbal Karim Bhuiyan (retd) visited India in February 2008, November 2011 and April 2013. Besides, the chiefs of Navy and Air Force, Border Guard Bangladesh and Bangladesh Coast Guard had been to India last year.
On the other hand, former Indian army chief Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag (retd) visited Bangladesh in June 2015 and former Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha came here in February last year.
Former Indian defence minister Manohar Parrikar made his first visit to Bangladesh on Nov 30-Dec 1 last year.
DEFENCE COOPERATION DEAL
Dhaka and New Delhi have agreed to sign an MoU on bilateral defence cooperation.
Wishing anonymity, a senior foreign ministry official said: “We are going to sign an MoU on defence cooperation with India on April 8… there is nothing contentious [in the deal] and no threat to our defence and sovereignty. It's not at all like the umbrella defence agreement which we signed with China.”
Ruling out rumours about the deal, he said Bangladesh and India already set a mechanism to cooperate in security and defense fields. The proposed MoU would help the two neighbours enhance cooperation to enable their forces to fight against terrorism and violent extremism, he added.
The official, who deals with the India-Bangladesh matters, said the armed forces of the two countries collaborate with each other in many areas, but there was no such bilateral deal. That's why the two countries were considering institutionalising the existing cooperation mechanism.
Asked about the salient features of the proposed defence deal, an Indian diplomat in New Delhi told to The Daily Star that agreements were expected on the lines of cross-border cooperation between the two countries' agencies. Any deal with respect to supply of defence equipment was highly unlikely.
He said the proposed defence deal was being prepared to the “comfort level” of Bangladesh and there would be no element in it which might not be suitable to Bangladesh's needs.
About Indian's offer of defence line-of-credit, the diplomat said his country made the offer purely to buy equipment needed for UN peacekeeping operations, anti-land mining vehicles, medical and disaster relief efforts and search and rescue operations etc.
He said New Delhi was ready to cooperate and collaborate with Bangladesh's defence forces to set up manufacturing and service centres for the common defence platforms that both countries possesses, like the Russian defence hardware.
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The election is getting closer and awamileague wants India beside her.Hasina will try to make everyone happy by any cost .I will not be surprised if navy purchase more cutters to make uncle happy. First russia then china then india and now usa's turn
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http://www.thedailystar.net/perspective/do-we-really-need-defence-deal-india-1384450
Do we really need a defence deal with India?
Abdul Hannan
Military pacts or defence deals are always struck by two states or more, out of a common threat perception. In the fifties, during the Cold War, Pakistan joined CENTO and SEATO, an essentially western alliance with the US, Britain, France, New Zealand, and some Asian countries like Thailand, Philippines, Iran and Turkey, to contain the growing communist influence of China and the Soviet Union. The WARSAW Military pact by Soviet Russia, with its satellite states comprising erstwhile East European states, came into being to contain western military alliance represented by NATO. Recently, the US signed a military pact with India, providing for refuelling and repairing facilities of American military aircraft and war ships in Indian military bases to contain growing Chinese influences in the strategic Indian Ocean. In 1971, India signed a 25 years treaty of peace, friendship and cooperation agreement with the Soviet Union to contain perceived SINO-American intervention in favour of Pakistan. The same treaty was later adopted to ensure Indo-Bangladesh cooperation. The Saudi-led Islamic military alliance by 39 Islamic states was forged in 2015 to fight terrorism, especially the Islamic State (IS).
As of now, Bangladesh has little threat perception from any quarter. We have no enemy, real or assumed. Thus, I would argue that there is no need for a military deal with any country. The cornerstone of Bangladesh's foreign policy, as enunciated by the Father of the Nation, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, is friendship with all and malice to none. We are a non-aligned nation. As a small nation, we are wary of military alliances conceived by big powers to spread their sphere of influence.
The people of the country wish to be left alone from big power rivalries, and thus have strategic partnerships with China, Russia, India, and even Myanmar.
Newspaper discussions by the civil society, particularly by former senior Bangladeshi diplomats, have questioned the necessity of a comprehensive defence deal with India for military cooperation, sales and supply of military hardware and coordinated operation against mutually perceived threats. They point out that as of now there is enough military cooperation with India by way of exchange of high level military contacts, joint military training and exercises, and so a formal military alliance will be superfluous and irrelevant.
According to Indian press reports, India was provoked to push for such an agreement because of the increasing military cooperation between Bangladesh and China, manifested by 80 percent of imports of Chinese hardware by Bangladesh over the past decade. They pointed out that the Indian move was precipitated by the supply of two Chinese submarines to Bangladesh, indicating 'deepening of Chinese footprints in India's backyard complicating India's security paradigm'. They further said the sale rankled concerned circles who questioned the need for Bangladesh to purchase two Chinese submarines considered it offensive.
Indian analysts have also interpreted the sale as a “Chinese strategy to encircle India”. Prabal Ghosh of the Observer Research Foundation, explained to the Outlook, “The sale's strategic importance cannot be understated in any way”. He advocates steps “to prevent Bangladesh from playing the China card”.
They also pointed out that India was rattled by Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to Bangladesh in October 2016 when China pledged nearly USD 24 billion assistance in trade and investment, buttressed by a promise to elevate the relationship between the two countries to a strategic partnership in South Asia and the Indian Ocean. China's presence in the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal, and Bangladesh joining China's One Belt One Road initiative is also a matter of deep concern to India. These alarm bells prompted Indian Defence Minister Monohar Parikkar and Indian Foreign Secretary Subramaniam Jaisankart to rush to Dhaka to clinch a defence agreement with Dhaka.
The proposed deal, by all intent and purpose, is an Indian initiative and agenda to counter the growing influence of China in the Indian Ocean region. There is no reason for Bangladesh to become a part of the India-China rivalry by opting for the deal which will extensively limit and circumscribe our independent military options and choices. The proposed deal is fraught with deep uncertainties, risking our country being unwittingly sucked into India's potential conflicts. India is sufficiently strong to confront its adversaries without dragging Bangladesh. Besides, India is the largest importer of arms in the world, as the quality of Indian defence products is not beyond question.
Bangladesh, in recent times, has addressed a wide range of India's concerns on security and connectivity. It has been denying space in the country for Indian insurgents from its troubled north eastern states, allowed the transit and transportation of Indian goods and passengers through road, railway, and river ports, and connected the Chittagong and Mongla ports to India's north eastern states. Bangladesh has given India everything it asked for in a platter. We offered our neighbour the use of the river port in Ashuganj to transport heavy duty equipment for the Palatona power company in Tripura, and also arranged transport of 10,000 tonnes of rice to Tripura through our territories. Yet, a deal on water sharing of the Teesta River has floundered.
Like the English poet Wordsworth said about the bounty of nature, “We receive but what we give”. In the same refrain of introspection, India may ask itself, “We receive from Bangladesh but what do we give them?” In that vein, wouldn't it be too much for India to expect Bangladesh to sign this defence deal?
The strength of the government rests on popular support and not on external help. To its credit, the present Bangladesh government is successfully walking a quadruple equidistant tightrope, effectively managing foreign policy with America, Russia, China and India without tilting to one side or the other. The defence deal will seriously compromise our independent stance.
If the current public discourse on the subject in Bangladesh is any indication, this is an extremely unpopular measure which has the potential of a deep political fallout and backlash with damaging consequences. The government, responsible for our booming economy and significant trade surplus, is firmly in the driver's seat and can steer clear any outside pressure which is detrimental to its national interest. We hope that Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina will resist such an asymmetric and outlandish deal that will add nothing to our pace of development. Bangladesh is committed to strengthening stability and peace in the region. India and China are both very powerful and influential powers in Asia. We cannot be a part of a process that furthers India-China's armed rivalry.
The writer is a former diplomat.
http://www.thedailystar.net/perspective/do-we-really-need-defence-deal-india-1384450
Do we really need a defence deal with India?
Abdul Hannan
Military pacts or defence deals are always struck by two states or more, out of a common threat perception. In the fifties, during the Cold War, Pakistan joined CENTO and SEATO, an essentially western alliance with the US, Britain, France, New Zealand, and some Asian countries like Thailand, Philippines, Iran and Turkey, to contain the growing communist influence of China and the Soviet Union. The WARSAW Military pact by Soviet Russia, with its satellite states comprising erstwhile East European states, came into being to contain western military alliance represented by NATO. Recently, the US signed a military pact with India, providing for refuelling and repairing facilities of American military aircraft and war ships in Indian military bases to contain growing Chinese influences in the strategic Indian Ocean. In 1971, India signed a 25 years treaty of peace, friendship and cooperation agreement with the Soviet Union to contain perceived SINO-American intervention in favour of Pakistan. The same treaty was later adopted to ensure Indo-Bangladesh cooperation. The Saudi-led Islamic military alliance by 39 Islamic states was forged in 2015 to fight terrorism, especially the Islamic State (IS).
As of now, Bangladesh has little threat perception from any quarter. We have no enemy, real or assumed. Thus, I would argue that there is no need for a military deal with any country. The cornerstone of Bangladesh's foreign policy, as enunciated by the Father of the Nation, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, is friendship with all and malice to none. We are a non-aligned nation. As a small nation, we are wary of military alliances conceived by big powers to spread their sphere of influence.
The people of the country wish to be left alone from big power rivalries, and thus have strategic partnerships with China, Russia, India, and even Myanmar.
Newspaper discussions by the civil society, particularly by former senior Bangladeshi diplomats, have questioned the necessity of a comprehensive defence deal with India for military cooperation, sales and supply of military hardware and coordinated operation against mutually perceived threats. They point out that as of now there is enough military cooperation with India by way of exchange of high level military contacts, joint military training and exercises, and so a formal military alliance will be superfluous and irrelevant.
According to Indian press reports, India was provoked to push for such an agreement because of the increasing military cooperation between Bangladesh and China, manifested by 80 percent of imports of Chinese hardware by Bangladesh over the past decade. They pointed out that the Indian move was precipitated by the supply of two Chinese submarines to Bangladesh, indicating 'deepening of Chinese footprints in India's backyard complicating India's security paradigm'. They further said the sale rankled concerned circles who questioned the need for Bangladesh to purchase two Chinese submarines considered it offensive.
Indian analysts have also interpreted the sale as a “Chinese strategy to encircle India”. Prabal Ghosh of the Observer Research Foundation, explained to the Outlook, “The sale's strategic importance cannot be understated in any way”. He advocates steps “to prevent Bangladesh from playing the China card”.
They also pointed out that India was rattled by Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to Bangladesh in October 2016 when China pledged nearly USD 24 billion assistance in trade and investment, buttressed by a promise to elevate the relationship between the two countries to a strategic partnership in South Asia and the Indian Ocean. China's presence in the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal, and Bangladesh joining China's One Belt One Road initiative is also a matter of deep concern to India. These alarm bells prompted Indian Defence Minister Monohar Parikkar and Indian Foreign Secretary Subramaniam Jaisankart to rush to Dhaka to clinch a defence agreement with Dhaka.
The proposed deal, by all intent and purpose, is an Indian initiative and agenda to counter the growing influence of China in the Indian Ocean region. There is no reason for Bangladesh to become a part of the India-China rivalry by opting for the deal which will extensively limit and circumscribe our independent military options and choices. The proposed deal is fraught with deep uncertainties, risking our country being unwittingly sucked into India's potential conflicts. India is sufficiently strong to confront its adversaries without dragging Bangladesh. Besides, India is the largest importer of arms in the world, as the quality of Indian defence products is not beyond question.
Bangladesh, in recent times, has addressed a wide range of India's concerns on security and connectivity. It has been denying space in the country for Indian insurgents from its troubled north eastern states, allowed the transit and transportation of Indian goods and passengers through road, railway, and river ports, and connected the Chittagong and Mongla ports to India's north eastern states. Bangladesh has given India everything it asked for in a platter. We offered our neighbour the use of the river port in Ashuganj to transport heavy duty equipment for the Palatona power company in Tripura, and also arranged transport of 10,000 tonnes of rice to Tripura through our territories. Yet, a deal on water sharing of the Teesta River has floundered.
Like the English poet Wordsworth said about the bounty of nature, “We receive but what we give”. In the same refrain of introspection, India may ask itself, “We receive from Bangladesh but what do we give them?” In that vein, wouldn't it be too much for India to expect Bangladesh to sign this defence deal?
The strength of the government rests on popular support and not on external help. To its credit, the present Bangladesh government is successfully walking a quadruple equidistant tightrope, effectively managing foreign policy with America, Russia, China and India without tilting to one side or the other. The defence deal will seriously compromise our independent stance.
If the current public discourse on the subject in Bangladesh is any indication, this is an extremely unpopular measure which has the potential of a deep political fallout and backlash with damaging consequences. The government, responsible for our booming economy and significant trade surplus, is firmly in the driver's seat and can steer clear any outside pressure which is detrimental to its national interest. We hope that Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina will resist such an asymmetric and outlandish deal that will add nothing to our pace of development. Bangladesh is committed to strengthening stability and peace in the region. India and China are both very powerful and influential powers in Asia. We cannot be a part of a process that furthers India-China's armed rivalry.
The writer is a former diplomat.
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But can be part of Conflict with Pakistan...
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Brothers, I just fail to realize why on earth Bangladesh would take part in a conflict between India and Pakistan. We could perhaps act as a facilitator for building a bridge of multifaceted bilateral relations for enhancing the overall development between the South Asian Nuclear powers.
Borders between Bangladesh-Pakistan lies between more than 1000 km on Indian territory. You could perhaps nuke us with your long range MIRV thus, turning our fertile soil+ 170 millions into a wasteland inhabitable for any Almighty's living creations for hundred of years to come. Hope this makes some sense to your kind self also avoid getting confused by adverse propaganda war.
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Pakistanis are very bad at doing propaganda and worst at countering it,you have seen power of propaganda in 1971.Indians are good at it.With current propaganda they will be able to harvest enough hate in Bangladesh against Pakistan so an alliance can be formed against Pakistan.
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Thanks for acknowledging your shortcomings, please feel free to utilize our assistance and bitter experiences for countering such Indian propaganda. You are absolutely right in your second comment, especially our younger generations are swallowing the poison laced honey trap.
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I personally think India after 16 Dec 1971 is trying her best to never let a patch up happen,in that case she would be crushed in between.Back in EP days silliguri corridor was India's nightmare but now they can sigh in peace,Thanks to BD they will have a way into far east states even during full blown war with china.
We should counter it but I think Two Pakistans have still legacy of Bhutto and Mujib,which is nothing less then destruction,yesterday a guy of Bhutto part walked away with corruption of 4.9 billion dollars under his belt.
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Before 1971 india could simply walk inti East Pakistan.
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Wasn't that easy mate,if there were not any strong defences in place, then India wasn't in shape of attacking either,it took her a long time to travel from Agartala to Dhaka race course.
But today I am damn sure then walk into and even annex Dhaka who will cry?
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